South Dakota Debauchery

  • James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #725244

    This is a great question… certainly not off topic in the least.

    In my opinion 1/4 ounce is beyond the upper limits of what the spring bobbers can handle. 1/8 is not an issue. Actually 1/8 ounce lures work very well with the heaviest spring offered by St. Croix. I rarely fish a lure over 1/8 ounce so I’ve never tried it but my gut tells me that 1/4 ounce is going to bottom out the spring and render it all but useless to you.

    If we’re lucky maybe someone that has tried a 1/4 ounce lure with the heaviest springs will chime in here and share their thoughts on it.

    Enjoy your first year out there on the ice. There’s nothing better than getting set up on a carefully chosen piece of structure right before prime time and settling down in the hopes of icing a handful of big walleyes as the sun sets. Even better if it is snowing and blowing as it adds some “texture” to the experience!

    Loos15
    Posts: 8
    #725246

    Thanks james for the great response. I guess i’ll have to learn to use the small stuff. I’m a big jig open water guy…anything less than 1/4 is unimaginble lol. anyways that was the answer i was looking for! Thanks again.

    devel
    Posts: 132
    #1350810

    It was quite a weekend spent out along the Missouri River in SD chasing turkeys with stick and string!

    The trip took an interesting note right from the get go. It turned out the 9-5 was beckoning for a friday filming trip up on Lake Winnie. I was originally planning on making the trip Thursday night, and hunt what would turn out to be a beautiful Friday, a windy Saturday, and a terrible Sunday.

    The property I hunt consists of 5,000 of the most picturesque scenery I could imagine out of central SD. Last year the birds were running rampant along the property, filling my archery tag in less than an hour.

    This year I had high hopes of doing the same, with my dad and Joel Nelson in tow.

    The drive from Winnie to Central SD was an extremely taxing 9.5 hour drive, as we pulled into the lodge around 1am. In a few short hours, I could finally stretch out the diaphragm on the first turkeys of 2014.

    The alarm clock screeched at 5am, about 5 hours too early in my opinion. We made the short drive to our destination in the dark and marched our way to the top of the river breaks listening for birds signaling their future demise. We walked near the same area I had perched last year to watch the sun grow brighter and the gobbles to begin.

    I was growing a little uneasy as I heard nothing more than meadow Larks wake from the night. The wind was whipping up, and despite a forecasted wind of 9mph, the Missouri River breaks sucked every ounce of wind from the area and funneled it directly over our backs. It would seem a bird would have to be directly on top of us to hear it’s thunderous report.

    From a distance, I heard one bird erupt soon followed by 3 or 4 more birds. We threw on our gear and hoofed up and down the treacherous terrain for what turned out to be miles. I was shocked that the gobbles carried in a 20mph crosswind.

    My Dad and I neared as the gobbles grew increasingly more audible until we arrived on their doorstep. Quickly the birds seemed to grow near as we frantically set up the blind in a growing wind.

    Just as we settled in position, on a large open flat adjacent to the ravine the birds occupied, we saw the flock fighting on the far side.

    They descended away from us down the ravine…I was nervous as this was a part of the property I had very little experience with and had no clue what the birds would do.

    I decided to get out on foot with the binos and check out what the birds were doing from a far. I scaled the foothills with the speed of a mountain goat, or at least I would like to think that. After seeing nothing but a sea of thick trees I returned to the blind crawling up from behind. As soon as I got in, I saw my dad with a nocked arrow looking at me like I was insane!

    He gestured to our left as there was a beautiful Merriam less than 40 yards away! I was simply shocked he hadn’t seen me bumble my way under the blind.

    Strutting away, I knew all it would take was a few coaxing yelps, purrs and putts to draw him to my full strut decoy. Sure enough he closed the gap in seconds. I could tell my Dad was reaalllly nervous, as this was his first turkey hunt with a bow, and the first out of a ground blind. We were set up on a little slope with the right side of the blind angled up and of course the bird was on the right side. He strutted around the decoy and finally abused him until the decoy left it’s stake. Feeling satisfied, he strutted around the scene of the crime.

    My Dad leveled off on the bird and thwap! I looked down as there was a perfect little broadhead hole on the bottom of my window. The bird didn’t run off but slowly sauntered away, almost antagonizing us.

    I knew the feeling all too well as my dad just stared down. It’s simply one of the worst feelings. A missed opportunity.

    No sooner than the first tom left, a group of 3 appeared across the far hill. I got on the mouth call hard and they came half running half strutting closing the 300 yard distance. The three bachelors must have heard it before I did as they turned on their spurs started strutting and running the other way! I was upstaged by a little sweetheart.

    I then heard what they did, a beautiful sounding kee kee. The gobblers out there had a certain love affair with a kee kee mixed on the front half with a yelp. It flowed together beautifully. I imitated the sound louder and more frequently, and watched the three whip a 180 and race back my direction.

    They didn’t like something as the birds stopped at 25 yards and my dad let another shot fly on the nervous bird, whack! Feathers flew and it looked like a hit! Only to realize, the bird just ran away with a little haircut. A shot just a touch high. At this point I felt just as bad as he did.

    The morning ended with us spotting and stalking around the ravines, putting in too much work with not enough results. The birds were seemingly uninterested.

    The afternoon began as we headed back to the opening where we had seen the birds earlier, setting up in the corner.

    The birds crossed the fence and headed into the corn behind our blind. Not once did the jakes and toms make a peep. As the sun was fading, the birds crossed the fence merely 20 yards in front of our blind. I frantically searched for my rangefinder as I realized it was sitting in my bow case back at the truck. I guessed for 25 and sailed an arrow!

    After a day of fruitless arrow throwing we headed right to the town watering hole where Joel was having a grand old time playing pool with the resident ehhhh professional drinkers….

    We spoke of our day, and he seemed quite happy as we had roosted birds for the morning hunt. The weather was not in our favor as I looked outside as the clock read 5am. 30+ MPH winds bucked, driving a heavy rain sleet mixture.

    We proceeded to give it the old college try, becoming drenched to the bone by the sideways wind. I knew exactly where the birds were roosting and we snuck in right on their front porch. Light began to appear as we made frantic last second adjustments to our spread.

    There the birds sat. A smattering of hens and a tom. Not exactly the most ideal situation. As we let out a few rips on the box call, we heard two more birds report from further in the gully. We sat and sat and sat, the birds didn’t seem to want to leave the roost. I couldn’t blame them, it was straight nasty!

    Finally the hens pitched down while the longbeard hung up in the tree for 10 minutes longer. He eventually came down reluctantly after re-roosting. We both pondered if the birds hadn’t seen us set up. After a few brief run-ins with a fast moving Jake, and a tom skirting behind us the driving cold sent us packing up. As we moved along the fence row, we spotted two toms and jake moving their way towards or position. Joel fumbled trying to get his blind and jacket off while putting his release back on. All while I watched the birds move less than 10 feet in front of us. Eventually we got set as they crossed the fence just within bow range in front of us. Joel drew and sent an arrow flying. No dice.

    It seemed to be a fitting ending to the weekend plagued by poor shooting! It’s not over yet as both Joel and I will be trying to head back out to tackle the Merriams of SD!

    I’m sure Joel will chime in also and give a little more insight when he gets back from his trip down to NE….I’m beat!





    darrin_bauer
    Inactive
    Menomonie Wi.
    Posts: 260
    #1353085

    Great story Ben, I also hunt Merriams in S.D. and can attest to the endless wind making things next to impossible yet we seem to find some quiet draws that allow us to fill our tags. Better luck next time!

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #1353087

    Oh Ben, those pictures. That’s the South Dakota in my mind….the one with sweeping vistas, broad skies, and sunny slopes. That was NOT the Sodak that I found come Sunday morning while leaning at a 45 into the wind, covering my face to keep the sleet and freezing rain from leaving pelt marks.

    Rewind.

    I’m hearing bits and pieces of the awesome hunt Ben and his dad are having the whole drive out there. Then, as I roll into town, I find out they had birds roosted down to the trees they were in. I was so excited that at 3:30AM I confused the yardlight through the window for bright sunshine and thought we’d overslept. I even tried to wake the guys. They knew better. We wouldn’t be so lucky to see the sun that day!

    Age often translates to wisdom, and Ben’s dad knew the conditions would be incredibly difficult, so he chose to stay back. I should’ve known it when the door blew out of my hands and slammed against the outside wall when checking to see what I’d need to wear that morning.

    Either way, we were there to hunt, and being my first hunt of the season, I was green. No matter how many seasons you hunt, at least in my experience, it seems like you are hunting your best towards the end of it. Call it butterflies, call it out-of-practice, call it whatever, I was rusty. The blind didn’t fly open like it usually does, the calls didn’t sound quite as good as they do after listening to a spring full of hen talk, and the conditions weren’t making any of that go more smoothly.

    The setup was the best of what we had, given never being there before, but it wasn’t great. To get a clear shot on our opening, we needed to move the blind around a cedar, which, probably had a few birds suspect something was up. Those birds were less vocal than birds out of direct sight, even with the driving rain, low-light, and intense wind gusts.

    I opened the morning with some soft talk that I’m sure they didn’t hear at first, but I wanted to break-in slowly. Eventually one of the hens either heard me, or started off on her own. Surprisingly, they were quite vocal, even though some of the birds we could see were literally moving at least 5 feet back and forth, swinging on the limb they were on. The box call did get them fired up however, and on more than one occasion they cut me off. This is usually a good sign that they’ve put you on the itinerary for their day’s events.

    Flydown happened and the hens thought twice about coming out of the safety of that deep ravine below us, though still remained vocal. We kept them talking with basic yelps, occasional cutting, and some clucks/purrs. Ben then mentioned that kee-keeing really worked well the day previous. I tried it, and was immediately yelped back at by hens. Within a few minutes, it seemed like the hens were closer. A lone jake came right in, saw our decoy, and acted like my neighbor’s cat when I catch it near our place. It slunk as low to the ground as it could and belly crawled the heck outta dodge. Not a fan of the full-strut decoy apparently!

    Now the hens to our right were coming up one of the fingers of the ravine, and had gobblers in-tow. They only gobbled a handful of times, but their hen was a kee-kee machine. Everything about that group was heavily in-search of our spread. At one point, the gobblers got above us and to our right to try to gain a visual vantage point. They even gobbler yelped at us, and tried coughing out a few clucks. For those of you who have fall hunted, it’s more common then, but gobblers, especially when seeking out your call will also yelp. It’s much slower in pace, and sounds, well….poor. Then kee-kee hen then took over, and I gave her a pile of kee kee’s in return. I’m pretty sure I’ve never kee-keed so much, but what was really interesting was the sounds this hen was making. She was kee keeing into a mixed, high-pitch yelp that I’ve never heard before. It’s hard to even call it a yelp. It was more just a coarse continuation of the kee-kee with a little more rasp to it. Definitely a desperation/frantic call that I’ll try to master and put into my bag of tricks. We kept kee-keeing back and forth until they were right behind the blind. Like 10 feet behind the blind!

    Decision time. Reposition for a shot straight back or wait it out. I decided to wait for a few reasons. Even when on flat ground with great back view (we were at an angle with some mixed cedars behind us), my best play in the past has been waiting for them to work around us in front and/or see the decoys. Often, the movement in the blind and fumbling to get the small window open for a fleeting shot at a poor angle just makes the situation worse rather than better. My guess is that they saw the dekes, but the wind made them look just unrealistic. After straight kee kees, I tried to mix in a cluck/purr. The purr wasn’t the greatest, but that hen covered about 25 yards from the beginning of her last kee kee to the end of it. I looked at Ben and said, “It wasn’t that bad was it?”

    Eventually, shivers turned into shakes, and we pulled the plug. With all our gear on our backs, bundled up for the cold walk back, Ben saw the birds through the thick cover at the fenceline, not 10 steps away from us. Between him trying to tell me where they were, and my frozen fingers trying to peel off my release and a jacket, then attempting to re-buckle the release, I took a fleeting 40 yard shot and missed straight away. Quite the mess I made of that.

    I spent the rest of the day searching for birds on foot and by vehicle, and had a great run-in. Some birds crossed a road near where we had permission to hunt. I hopped out with bow to give chase. It didn’t take much calling to get them to come right back to where they were. When these birds stumbled up the river bank, I was 15 yards away, at full draw, wishing their painbrushes had longer bristles. Still, two hard-gobbling, full strut jakes wobbling up the bank at your calling while you put your lead pin on them…..that’s exciting stuff. I did let down on them, but not before pulling my trigger finger from behind the release towards the front of it.

    I’d be back to give it another go when I had more time, and the weather cooperated better!

    Joel

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #1353088

    Nebraska wasn’t to be. I took a hot shower and bought my tag online from South Dakota, then hit the road with a sore throat and some chills. By the time I got down there, I was hot/cold all over the place with a headache. When I woke up to hunt, I couldn’t even put in a mouth call, and I was shaking all over the place. I had to get back home. The climate controlled pick-up truck helped me ride out the hot/cold swings on the drive back. I got to the doctors office with a 102.5 fever, and he looked at my throat and didn’t even want to do a strep test. He said, “Oh yeah, we’re going to treat either way!” I asked what it looked like….he joked, “Hamburger.”

    So now I’ve got some stronger antibiotics, and I’m riding the pine till my next hunt somewhere in MN.

    Joel

    one4daroad
    Posts: 25
    #1353092

    Wow Joel hope you get to feeling better. Really tough when you get sick on a hunt. Been there and do not want to be back there. If time works out head back to NE them birds will be waiting.

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #1353097

     

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    Wow Joel hope you get to feeling better. Really tough when you get sick on a hunt. Been there and do not want to be back there. If time works out head back to NE them birds will be waiting.


     

    It was the fault of those professional drinkers Ben spoke of! My immune system had been compromised. Not to mention, I bested a guy who took 3rd in the state at pool. The first round I won, and he said, “I’m not going to let up on you again.” Then I scratched after putting in the 8 on the final shot to end the 2nd round. Technically it was a draw but surely I used up all my luck in one night.

    Joel

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #1353098

    Lesson 1, never drink and play pool with professionals!!

    I hope you guys get back out there yet this year. I’m booked the next two weekends, but after if you want to hit NE SD, let’s talk.

    devel
    Posts: 132
    #1353099

     

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    It was the fault of those professional drinkers Ben spoke of! My immune system had been compromised. Not to mention, I bested a guy who took 3rd in the state at pool. The first round I won, and he said, “I’m not going to let up on you again.” Then I scratched after putting in the 8 on the final shot to end the 2nd round. Technically it was a draw but surely I used up all my luck in one night.

    Joel


     

    That pool shark had it out for you! So does that make you the 2nd best pool player in SoDak? That’s a plus for the trip.

    Joel Nelson
    Moderator
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3137
    #1353103

     

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    It was the fault of those professional drinkers Ben spoke of! My immune system had been compromised. Not to mention, I bested a guy who took 3rd in the state at pool. The first round I won, and he said, “I’m not going to let up on you again.” Then I scratched after putting in the 8 on the final shot to end the 2nd round. Technically it was a draw but surely I used up all my luck in one night.

    Joel


     

    That pool shark had it out for you! So does that make you the 2nd best pool player in SoDak? That’s a plus for the trip.


     

    At least the 2nd best…..

    Joel

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