Trucks with flags

Hey reef, I assume you have never studied history.
I would also assume it all comes through Google and Wikipedia. Did you know that southerns also battled slave ownership. Because 98 percent were mountain men and couldn’t afford to have slaves if they wanted. They worked lived on there own and then lived the way they wanted, same reason it was fought for.
Or I assume you think it was all a civil war over owning people ? Look in to your history books a little deeper, read further then what our now government wants to teach. It’s amazing when you open the mind. You don’t judge a group by its leaders. You listen to there voice.
And that’s a heritage, I’m a Minnesota guy, but I can see the 1000s of reasons why they are proud. You only like to point out the few who owned slaves. Which most were against

100 years from now there will be no history of the civil war. The statues are being torn down, the flags outlawed, and history not being taught.

Propaganda is a beautiful thing is you have something to spin.

Flying a flag on your truck definitely feeds into the redneck stereotype, most that I see aren’t the American flag . I’d like to know how many of these patriotic flag bearers felt strongly enough to join the military to help protect there right to fly that flag . I’m betting very few

mojogunter wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>suzuki wrote:</div>
When I see a flagged pickup I am comforted by the fact they are almost certainly not a commie/liberal regardless of their other faults.

and questionable as to whether or not they have a high school education.

But at least not a commie/liberal.

I’m a Marine Corps veteran. Long ago fighting foreign wars.

You fly the stars and bars…you lost and your a traitor to the the republic.

I have no sympathy or understanding for state rights vs federalism. You have no understanding of history if you view flags this way. Confederate flags can kiss my azz. You Lost….fade away

No idea why you have statues enshrined to losers, to traitors.

And to all who fly US flags (Stars and Stripes) on the back of pickups or boats or wherever…more power to you and carry on.

Ridiculous that you are talking sh$t about Americans flying flags in any manner.

Suzuki , every post you make affirms mojos point

Bearcat89 wrote:

Hey reef, I assume you have never studied history.
I would also assume it all comes through Google and Wikipedia. Did you know that southerns also battled slave ownership. Because 98 percent were mountain men and couldn’t afford to have slaves if they wanted. They worked lived on there own and then lived the way they wanted, same reason it was fought for.
Or I assume you think it was all a civil war over owning people ? Look in to your history books a little deeper, read further then what our now government wants to teach. It’s amazing when you open the mind. You don’t judge a group by its leaders. You listen to there voice.
And that’s a heritage, I’m a Minnesota guy, but I can see the 1000s of reasons why they are proud. You only like to point out the few who owned slaves. Which most were against

You must grow some pretty good stuff in the backyard. I’d like to smoke some as soon as possible please pm so I can buy some.

Never heard complete BS non-historical evidence like this ever.

Please post actual reference to this. 98% mountain men. Absolute BS.

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Dutchboy wrote:

100 years from now there will be no history of the civil war. The statues are being torn down, the flags outlawed, and history not being taught.

My issue with the statues and confederate flags in public locations is that people take them down violently and illegally. Every statue is public property. If you don’t like, that’s fine, that’s a personal choice. But you don’t go tearing it down yourself with an angry mob. There is a set legal process to have it removed properly. Just because you don’t like something doesn’t mean you can avoid following the rules.

Gary, I got to agree…I think bearcat completely lost it. No one will change his mind, and facts will fall on deaf ears. Just ignore it the best you can.

Mike m wrote:

Suzuki , every post you make affirms mojos point

No doubt about your character.

If anyone enjoys historical fiction and in particular this subject, “This Scorched Earth” is an excellent read. Tough read, rather raunchy read at times but a good one.

Touches base on those “mountain men”.

To quote Justin Donson

That’s fine to desire smaller bodies of government, but again, your using the wrong symbol, find a different one. And just know that 99% of the people who see you wave a confederate flag are going to believe that you believe in white supremacy, because that was the meaning that was defined by history. If you’re cool waving it around and telling all your neighbors/passersby that you believe that, you’re free to do so, but don’t start arguing with people about what the flag means to you because it doesn’t matter.You don’t get to decide the meaning of historical symbols, history dictates that.

There are few symbols more un-American than the confederate flag. They fought directly against the constitution, the declaration of independence, and the idea that black people are human beings that deserve to live freely.
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That’s pretty funny of you to say that when your side is tearing down all these statues because of feelings. None of us were alive when these people were and have no idea what they were really like. It was a different time for good or bad and all we have is history to go off of and it seems lately if certain people don’t like what it says they just rewrite it.

Don’t the victors write the history books? There are always 3 sides to every story. Your side, my side and the truth lies somewhere in between.

Stanley wrote:

when your side is tearing down all these statues because of feelings.

The right sides feelings stormed the capital, so would you agree it’s safe to exclude the extremes of both parties?

Historical evidence is very important when it comes to proving context. Unfortunately for your argument the evidence is still very much still, and always will be intact. There was no widespread confederate book burning, there was no genocide of the peoples erasing any oral history. Heck, the confederate cause was very much alive in government races for years to come.

We know very well who these people were, and exactly what they thought. I don’t know how comments like this can even be made honestly.

Who’s rewriting history? There’s a movement to not glorify the leaders of immoral causes of history, but noone is rewriting anything.

suzuki wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>michael m wrote:</div>
Suzuki , every post you make affirms mojos point

No doubt about your character.

I spent 4 years in the marines protecting your right to fly a flag anywhere you feel appropriate, what branch did you serve in ?

I spent 4 years in the marines protecting your right to fly a flag anywhere you feel appropriate, what branch did you serve in ?
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These type of comments pop up every now and then on this site and I find them embarrassing. My family and I didn’t serve so we could feel superior to others.

tindall wrote:

These type of comments pop up every now and then on this site and I find them embarrassing. My family and I didn’t serve so we could feel superior to others.

Suzuki came at his character, mike threw out a comment and passed it back.

Where specifically does Mike come off as superior to anyone?

Deuces wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>tindall wrote:</div>
These type of comments pop up every now and then on this site and I find them embarrassing. My family and I didn’t serve so we could feel superior to others.

Suzuki came at his character, mike threw out a comment and passed it back.

Where specifically does Mike come off as superior to anyone?

I believe Tindal is talking about others acting superior because the have served in general.

As to your rewriting the history comment. It is not so much about rewriting it as no longer bringing it up at all or talking about it in a different way.

Deuces wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Stanley wrote:</div>
when your side is tearing down all these statues because of feelings.

The right sides feelings stormed the capital, so would you agree it’s safe to exclude the extremes of both parties?

Historical evidence is very important when it comes to proving context. Unfortunately for your argument the evidence is still very much still, and always will be intact. There was no widespread confederate book burning, there was no genocide of the peoples erasing any oral history. Heck, the confederate cause was very much alive in government races for years to come.

We know very well who these people were, and exactly what they thought. I don’t know how comments like this can even be made honestly.

Who’s rewriting history? There’s a movement to not glorify the leaders of immoral causes of history, but noone is rewriting anything.

Yes, I can agree that there are extremists on both sides. While I don’t support the actions on January 6th it was one incident compared to summer long riots and autonomous zones in multiple cities by other extremists. I would consider people like the founding fathers and MLK to be extremists and look at the good they brought. I would also consider hitler and Carl Marx to be extremists and we all know how that turned out as well.

As far as rewriting history goes critical race theory comes to mind. For every example I have to prove my points people like you will have examples to prove me wrong and that’s fine. I do my own research and come to my own conclusions and if we differ on opinions that’s fine I can live with that.

tindall wrote:

I spent 4 years in the marines protecting your right to fly a flag anywhere you feel appropriate, what branch did you serve in ?

These type of comments pop up every now and then on this site and I find them embarrassing. My family and I didn’t serve so we could feel superior to others.
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I didn’t serve but have family and friends that did, both in peace time and war and not a single vet I know or have ever met has made me feel like less of a person for not serving. If you severed for the glory or to hold it over someone like your better than them, you served for the wrong reasons but I still thank you for your service.

You both are now miss characterizing the comments made by Michael.

Suzuki made his typical neanderthal personal attack. Michael had a right to defend himself and throw the question back to Suzuki.

Look at all his comments, there is nothing there of bravado or superiority.