Truckers convoy in Canada

  • Beast
    Posts: 1123
    #2098874

    I’m getting a little concerned for the truckers up north after today’s move by the Canadian government. Just can’t see it going well if they forcefully try to remove these rigs. Think its going to end bad to going after their livelihood to. How fricken stupid can the Canadian government and ours be to not see that just dropping the vaccine mandates is the way out of this? Seems to me they would rather see blood.

    looks like the government wants to flex it’s muscle to me,isn’t the government suppose to support the will of it’s people? Now days there seems to be more and more over reach for “our own good”

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17430
    #2098875

    I just heard on the news that as of tonight any assembly of trucks or vehicles blocking the border crossing is considered illegal in Canada. Sort of like a curfew.

    Trying to confirm…

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16658
    #2098876

    So, if the Canadian government starts towing semi tractors it will take weeks to drag them all away. At the same time I’m guessing US truckers will show their support by blocking border crossings from the US side. This thing isn’t going away.

    Jeremy
    Richland County, WI
    Posts: 701
    #2098877

    There are rumors that US truckers have something planned that might start in March. That would be great if I get down to 24 hour weeks in time for pre spawn walleye fishing and not have to use vacation

    From what I read, these Canadian truckers could be working every day they want to in Canada, but if they come into the US, they are required to isolate for 2 weeks on return to Canada

    As of Feb 1, Denmark dropped all pandemic restrictions. Denmark has a population about the same as Minnesota or Wisconsin but has had 10% more of the population test positive for the virus but somehow the death rate is only 1/3 of either state. I have no doubt both WI and MN surpassed 700 deaths/million residents by Jan 2021 as both states are over 2,000/million.
    Do people in Denmark live healthier lives or get proper exercise, have a population with a younger average age, or did their health care facilities have proper filtration in the HVAC systems or use UV-C?

    B-man
    Posts: 5813
    #2098878

    So, if the Canadian government starts towing semi tractors it will take weeks to drag them all away. At the same time I’m guessing US truckers will show their support by blocking border crossings from the US side. This thing isn’t going away.

    And the Canadian government doesn’t own many tow trucks.

    As it stands, wrecker companies are declining calls to tow protesters trucks, for fear of backlash. Those same trucks parked in the way are their everyday customers.

    Moving them now for a short-term buck would be horrible PR and they would be publicly blacklisted in the future.

    This is going to lead to a stalemate until one side gives in.

    B-man
    Posts: 5813
    #2098880

    There are rumors that US truckers have something planned that might start in March. That would be great if I get down to 24 hour weeks in time for pre spawn walleye fishing and not have to use vacation

    From what I read, these Canadian truckers could be working every day they want to in Canada, but if they come into the US, they are required to isolate for 2 weeks on return to Canada

    As of Feb 1, Denmark dropped all pandemic restrictions. Denmark has a population about the same as Minnesota or Wisconsin but has had 10% more of the population test positive for the virus but somehow the death rate is only 1/3 of either state. I have no doubt both WI and MN surpassed 700 deaths/million residents by Jan 2021 as both states are over 2,000/million.
    Do people in Denmark live healthier lives or get proper exercise, have a population with a younger average age, or did their health care facilities have proper filtration in the HVAC systems or use UV-C?

    Maybe they don’t code every death as a Covid death unless it was truly a large contributing factor…..Unlike here.

    Dying with covid and from covid are a tad different.

    But yes, it’s hard to beat America when it comes to being unhealthy. I don’t know if we could get any worse if we tried.

    Justin Donson
    Posts: 353
    #2098888

    There are rumors that US truckers have something planned that might start in March. That would be great if I get down to 24 hour weeks in time for pre spawn walleye fishing and not have to use vacation

    From what I read, these Canadian truckers could be working every day they want to in Canada, but if they come into the US, they are required to isolate for 2 weeks on return to Canada

    As of Feb 1, Denmark dropped all pandemic restrictions. Denmark has a population about the same as Minnesota or Wisconsin but has had 10% more of the population test positive for the virus but somehow the death rate is only 1/3 of either state. I have no doubt both WI and MN surpassed 700 deaths/million residents by Jan 2021 as both states are over 2,000/million.
    Do people in Denmark live healthier lives or get proper exercise, have a population with a younger average age, or did their health care facilities have proper filtration in the HVAC systems or use UV-C?

    Ohhh man, great question!! You’re so close!! What oh what could be behind that?

    Europeans in general lead much healthier lives, especially in things like obesity. Drnmark has a 20% obesity rate compared to US at 43%. What drives that? Likely better education, better access to healthy foods, it’s easier to buy your family fresh/healthy foods when you aren’t crippled by medical debt and student loans.

    Denmark also has universal healthcare and partially as a result, has a far healthier population than the US. Because, when you are actually sick, you can get care and not put it off because you can’t afford to go to the doctor(which the vast majority of Americans can’t).

    They have much better social programs for things like mental health. They don’t cripple their youth in debt, as they have free college education.

    Oh, and 80% of their population over the age of 5 is fully vaccinated. The US sits at about 65%.

    It could be their HVAC systems though I guess…

    Such radical socialist policies leading to…better quality of life measures in just about every category. Oh wait, there’s one category here they are short on, someone penciled in ‘muh freedom’.

    Another great example is South Korea. They actually SHUT DOWN the country for like a few weeks when covid first hit. The government provided provisions for everyone, and everyone still got paid while staying home. The result, they’ve had 7000 deaths…TOTAL. 52 million people, 7000 deaths. You guessed it, also vastly more accessible and affordable healthcare. South Korea culturally is also much better about protecting your neighbors and society. Before covid, if you were sick at all, it’s a societal norm to wear a mask when in public to protect others. Americans don’t share that same culture, as we’ve seen, people can’t be asked to mildly inconvenience themselves for the better of society.

    Maybe people are depressed and mentally unwell because we are burying their families and loved ones at an alarming rate, when if they just would get vaccinated in all likelihood they wouldn’t die? Knowing that my dad died for ‘his freedom’ but in reality was just a selfish, misinformed idiot probably would take a mental toll on me too.

    “We’ll I don’t know what the vaccine could do to me 10 years from now!”

    Yeah, well I do know what covid could do to me today. And we also know what is happening to people who survive Covid, after just a VERY short time. Enjoy that increased risk of heart disease and respiratory issues. Those are all like real and observable phenomena though, which I know you’re all pretty good at ignoring.

    buschman
    Pool 2
    Posts: 1762
    #2098889

    They are calling wreckers from the US to help.

    I don’t know if they will get much support from the guys in ND and west of there.

    They might get wreckers from the I-90 run and Michigan to go clear the ambassador. I am sure they would stay up there to clear port Huron too but will take a lot of equipment and cost more than they would admit. 1200.00 per truck easy!! Maybe more. The wreckers here can name their price and claim innocence if they want the money. This is just my best guess and just that. A guess. We will never hear the $$ amount if they do get the wreckers to show up.

    buschman
    Pool 2
    Posts: 1762
    #2098890

    Justin…… I am sorry you are so afraid. Can’t help ya there bud..

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2098893

    They are calling wreckers from the US to help.

    I don’t know if they will get much support from the guys in ND and west of there.

    They might get wreckers from the I-90 run and Michigan to go clear the ambassador. I am sure they would stay up there to clear port Huron too but will take a lot of equipment and cost more than they would admit. 1200.00 per truck easy!! Maybe more. The wreckers here can name their price and claim innocence if they want the money. This is just my best guess and just that. A guess. We will never hear the $$ amount if they do get the wreckers to show up.

    Now compare that to the money Ford, Chevy and Chrysler donate to the political campaigns and what they stand to lose per day. It’s not gonna be hard to justify a few million dollars in fees.

    B-man
    Posts: 5813
    #2098896

    Justin brings up some good points about Denmark.

    Imagine how much money the United States would have for better education and healthcare if we didn’t spend it on public housing, welfare, crack pipes, illegal immigrants, wasteful grants and studies, assistance to other countries and a million other things that makes being a $hitbag a good thing.

    But if we stopped printing money for the above it would be somehow considered insensitive or systemic racism.

    Instead, Americans who want to succeed have to work for it and pay for it. I’m alright with that. The only thing that would be better is paying less taxes to fund all of that crap.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2098900

    What’s with the crack pipes? Asking for a friend.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #2098902

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Mike W wrote:</div>
    I’m getting a little concerned for the truckers up north after today’s move by the Canadian government. Just can’t see it going well if they forcefully try to remove these rigs. Think its going to end bad to going after their livelihood to. How fricken stupid can the Canadian government and ours be to not see that just dropping the vaccine mandates is the way out of this? Seems to me they would rather see blood.

    Canada’s hospital surge capacity isn’t as large as ours. There’s blood shed either way. Either you support public health or you don’t. Far more people stand to be harmed if this movement succeeds. Fortunately it won’t.

    Was there a study that showed un vaxed people in trucks are more dangerous than un vaxed outside of trucks? Maybe crossing a border makes them more contagious?

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2098904

    Was there a study that showed un vaxed people in trucks are more dangerous than un vaxed outside of trucks? Maybe crossing a border makes them more contagious?

    No one here believes studies unless it fits their narrative so I’m not going to even attempt it.

    It’s not about being dangerous, it’s about maintaining a critical lifeline. You can’t drive if you’re sick. Keeping trucks moving is the goal.

    It’s really not a lot different than the military. You can’t defend if you’re sick.

    No one here seems to understand that. Freedom comes with responsibility. If you don’t care to take care of each other and society fails, the governments purpose is to be that stop gap either through mandates or social programs. The bigger the societal failure, the bigger the government.

    buschman
    Pool 2
    Posts: 1762
    #2098906

    What’s with the crack pipes? Asking for a friend.

    They took the pipe out of the smoke kits. But your safety should more protected while smoking crack with these kits. If your still interested they should be available shortly. Haha

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2098907

    They took the pipe out of the smoke kits. But your safety should more protected while smoking crack with these kits. If your still interested they should be available shortly. Haha

    Huh? Did you get one? How come I didn’t get one?

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11648
    #2098908

    Canada’s hospital surge capacity isn’t as large as ours. There’s blood shed either way. Either you support public health or you don’t. Far more people stand to be harmed if this movement succeeds. Fortunately it won’t.

    Is this Sarcasm? Please expand if not.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17430
    #2098909

    Why don’t they expand the vaccine mandate to include a negative test instead? Clearly you can carry the Chinese virus whether or not you are vaccinated, so if the point is to keep it from spreading across an International border, each person should know if they are or aren’t infected, regardless of vaccination status.

    buschman
    Pool 2
    Posts: 1762
    #2098911

    Huh? Did you get one? How come I didn’t get one?

    Don’t know? I just pay for em I guess. They never sent me an application for one either.

    buschman
    Pool 2
    Posts: 1762
    #2098912

    Why don’t they expand the vaccine mandate to include a negative test instead? Clearly you can carry the Chinese virus whether or not you are vaccinated, so if the point is to keep it from spreading across an International border, each person should know if they are or aren’t infected, regardless of vaccination status.

    Thank you !!!!!!!!!!! I agree. That’s part of the question to the mandate at the border. It is clear MRNA does not protect you or anyone around you. Why the push a more extreme mandate than we have ever seen at the border. Especially essential drivers that worked through is and worked hard the last 2 years. This is what pushed the wagon over the cliff

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2098913

    No sarcasm, 100% serious. The right wing propaganda machine in the US seeing distrust in public health is costing us hundreds of thousands of lives. If these people win, it gives the impression that public health is nothing more than an inconvenience. The chances of containing or mitigating a worse pathogen would be gravely damaged costing us even more, hence the bloodshed I was talking about.

    Not all pathogens come from China by the way. The 1918 flu likely originated in the US.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16658
    #2098915

    “These” people will win.

    Keep yourself vaxed Matt and you and yours will live forever.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2098916

    Why don’t they expand the vaccine mandate to include a negative test instead? Clearly you can carry the Chinese virus whether or not you are vaccinated, so if the point is to keep it from spreading across an International border, each person should know if they are or aren’t infected, regardless of vaccination status.

    The point isn’t to prevent spread across the border.

    See above.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2098917

    “These” people will win.

    Keep yourself vaxed Matt and you and yours will live forever.

    I thought you were worried about the gopher game. Did they win?

    Keep yourself up there on our border. Make sure those Canadian liberals don’t come across and invade our republic when “they” win.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16658
    #2098918

    I don’t live in fear, not of Covid, not of the government, not of you & not of Canadians.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17430
    #2098919

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>gimruis wrote:</div>
    Why don’t they expand the vaccine mandate to include a negative test instead? Clearly you can carry the Chinese virus whether or not you are vaccinated, so if the point is to keep it from spreading across an International border, each person should know if they are or aren’t infected, regardless of vaccination status.

    The point isn’t to prevent spread across the border.

    See above.

    See above what? There’s 18 pages of dribble to sift through here.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2098920

    IDK google it. Seems like that’s the go-to source in this thread.

    Read what I’ve written on page 19.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2098921

    I don’t live in fear, not of Covid, not of the government, not of you & not of Canadians.

    So just vaccines?

    Don Meier
    Butternut Wisconsin
    Posts: 1659
    #2098922

    The government provided provisions for everyone, and everyone still got paid while staying home. The result, they’ve had 7000 deaths…TOTAL. 52 million people, 7000 deaths. You guessed it, also vastly more accessible and affordable healthcare. South Korea culturally is also much better about protecting your neighbors and society. Before covid, if you were sick at all, it’s a societal norm to wear a mask when in public to protect others. Americans don’t share that same culture, as we’ve seen, people can’t be asked to mildly inconvenience themselves for the better of society.

    Maybe people are depressed and mentally unwell because we are burying their families and loved ones at an alarming rate, when if they just would get vaccinated in all likelihood they wouldn’t die? Knowing that my dad died for ‘his freedom’ but in reality was just a selfish, misinformed idiot probably would take a mental toll on me too.

    “We’ll I don’t know what the vaccine could do to me 10 years from now!”

    Yeah, well I do know what covid could do to me today. And we also know what is happening to people who survive Covid, after just a VERY short time. Enjoy that increased risk of heart disease and respiratory issues. Those are all like real and observable phenomena though, which I know you’re all pretty good at ignoring.

    My sister still not vacced , can not taste for over a year , youngest boy not vacced , blood issues and damn near died ! Another example of cognitive dissonance .

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8181
    #2098923

    This seems like another great reason to to be glad I don’t have enough free time to watch the news or even turn on a TV most days. 20 pages of this and thankfully it’s the only time I’ve seen, heard, or read anything about the topic.

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