Trouble in Kenosha

  • DeRangedFishinguy
    Up Nort’
    Posts: 301
    #1968885

    Duluth Police Local 807

    “I am going to share like I have never before. I am going to do so because so many people truly have no idea. This story is not an anomaly and happens across this country day in and day out. All I ask is that you pause and read what it is truly like out here in the real world. Not how the media spins it or some keyboard warrior tweets about a world they do not live in and know nothing about.
    Last night my world and my entire family’s world almost changed forever. I almost shot an “unarmed black man.” My partner got on the radio and told us a shooting was happening right in front of her very eyes. Shot after shot rang out in our community we have sworn to protect. 17 shots in all were fired and now people were fleeing everywhere. My partners all went towards the gun shots, no race was said, no thought of our own safety was contemplated. We went because that is what we are called to do. We must help our community no matter who is in danger and no matter the risk. My partners found two of the suspects, and I rushed to help them as they are yelling they are not complying and now they are fighting. Where are the guns used? Do they have them? Are they going to try and kill my partners? All thoughts as I pull up and see my partners on the ground fighting with one male, a black man. Another black man is near them and turns to run as i approach. My partners yell “stop him.”
    I yell for him to stop and he turns and runs. Where is the gun? Does he still have it? Is he going to shoot me? My partners? Is he and innocent person just out for a walk? I give chase, he continues to run around a corner. Is he going to ambush me when I turn the corner? Where is the gun? My partners are yelling for more officers. The male keeps running until I and my partner gain ground on him and he stops. “Get your hands in the air!” He does not. “Get on the ground!” He does not. Where is the gun?!!!!! He turns his back hiding his hands from us, still not listening to commands. Where is the gun?!!!! I level my pistol at him. I put my finger on the trigger. Is this it? Is he going to shoot us? Am i going to have to shoot this man to save myself and others??? Will my wife wake up a widow, will my children no longer have their father? Is our community going to change forever because of me? Will everything burn only because we want to help? Because we want to live and not die? Because we don’t want to see innocent people in our community die. All of this in about 1/2 a second… My partner attempts to tackle him and now we fight because he is still not listening. I almost shot an “unarmed black man.” Why was he unarmed? Because (unknown to me at the time) when he ran and turned the corner in front of me, he threw the stolen gun he was carrying in the bushes.
    When the dust settled officers had cuts and bruises and two multi convicted felons went to jail unharmed, but it was only 1/16 of a squeeze from changing our world forever. All of this while you slept comfortably in your homes, safe from the wolves who roam our streets. You will not hear this story on the news. No one will call national attention to it. No one will say anything about this night. We simply just dust ourselves off, make sure each of us is ok and go on to the next call. This is what happens all across this country more often than you could ever imagine, but we are racist, we have to change. There must be accountability. Police must be defunded. Each and every day we dust each other off, make sure we are ok and go out into our communities and do the right thing. As the media, professional athletes, politicians, and social media warriors bash us day in and day out. Our promise to you as officers each day is that we will dust each other off, make sure we are ok, and go out into our community and die trying to make sure you are safe while you sleep in peace at night. I almost shot an “unarmed black man” last night. I challenge anyone to get out of your comfort zone and ride with us. Take a day in our shoes and see what it is really like. The truth, the unedited truth. We ask for nothing in return other than allowing the truth to come out. Wait for the facts. Stop destroying us before we even have a chance! Stop pushing the false narrative. Stand with us, help us! We are not heroes, we are men and women who just want to do the right thing.”

    Written by a Duluth Police Sergeant

    John Rasmussen
    Blaine
    Posts: 6454
    #1968911

    Thanks for posting this. It was a good read!

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 5941
    #1968920

    Duluth Police Local 807

    “I am going to share like I have never before. I am going to do so because so many people truly have no idea. This story is not an anomaly and happens across this country day in and day out. All I ask is that you pause and read what it is truly like out here in the real world. Not how the media spins it or some keyboard warrior tweets about a world they do not live in and know nothing about.
    Last night my world and my entire family’s world almost changed forever. I almost shot an “unarmed black man.” My partner got on the radio and told us a shooting was happening right in front of her very eyes. Shot after shot rang out in our community we have sworn to protect. 17 shots in all were fired and now people were fleeing everywhere. My partners all went towards the gun shots, no race was said, no thought of our own safety was contemplated. We went because that is what we are called to do. We must help our community no matter who is in danger and no matter the risk. My partners found two of the suspects, and I rushed to help them as they are yelling they are not complying and now they are fighting. Where are the guns used? Do they have them? Are they going to try and kill my partners? All thoughts as I pull up and see my partners on the ground fighting with one male, a black man. Another black man is near them and turns to run as i approach. My partners yell “stop him.”
    I yell for him to stop and he turns and runs. Where is the gun? Does he still have it? Is he going to shoot me? My partners? Is he and innocent person just out for a walk? I give chase, he continues to run around a corner. Is he going to ambush me when I turn the corner? Where is the gun? My partners are yelling for more officers. The male keeps running until I and my partner gain ground on him and he stops. “Get your hands in the air!” He does not. “Get on the ground!” He does not. Where is the gun?!!!!! He turns his back hiding his hands from us, still not listening to commands. Where is the gun?!!!! I level my pistol at him. I put my finger on the trigger. Is this it? Is he going to shoot us? Am i going to have to shoot this man to save myself and others??? Will my wife wake up a widow, will my children no longer have their father? Is our community going to change forever because of me? Will everything burn only because we want to help? Because we want to live and not die? Because we don’t want to see innocent people in our community die. All of this in about 1/2 a second… My partner attempts to tackle him and now we fight because he is still not listening. I almost shot an “unarmed black man.” Why was he unarmed? Because (unknown to me at the time) when he ran and turned the corner in front of me, he threw the stolen gun he was carrying in the bushes.
    When the dust settled officers had cuts and bruises and two multi convicted felons went to jail unharmed, but it was only 1/16 of a squeeze from changing our world forever. All of this while you slept comfortably in your homes, safe from the wolves who roam our streets. You will not hear this story on the news. No one will call national attention to it. No one will say anything about this night. We simply just dust ourselves off, make sure each of us is ok and go on to the next call. This is what happens all across this country more often than you could ever imagine, but we are racist, we have to change. There must be accountability. Police must be defunded. Each and every day we dust each other off, make sure we are ok and go out into our communities and do the right thing. As the media, professional athletes, politicians, and social media warriors bash us day in and day out. Our promise to you as officers each day is that we will dust each other off, make sure we are ok, and go out into our community and die trying to make sure you are safe while you sleep in peace at night. I almost shot an “unarmed black man” last night. I challenge anyone to get out of your comfort zone and ride with us. Take a day in our shoes and see what it is really like. The truth, the unedited truth. We ask for nothing in return other than allowing the truth to come out. Wait for the facts. Stop destroying us before we even have a chance! Stop pushing the false narrative. Stand with us, help us! We are not heroes, we are men and women who just want to do the right thing.”

    Written by a Duluth Police Sergeant

    God Bless our law enforcement. Heroes in my opinion.

    mxskeeter
    SW Wisconsin
    Posts: 3930
    #1968941

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>DeRangedFishinguy wrote:</div>
    Duluth Police Local 807

    “I am going to share like I have never before. I am going to do so because so many people truly have no idea. This story is not an anomaly and happens across this country day in and day out. All I ask is that you pause and read what it is truly like out here in the real world. Not how the media spins it or some keyboard warrior tweets about a world they do not live in and know nothing about.
    Last night my world and my entire family’s world almost changed forever. I almost shot an “unarmed black man.” My partner got on the radio and told us a shooting was happening right in front of her very eyes. Shot after shot rang out in our community we have sworn to protect. 17 shots in all were fired and now people were fleeing everywhere. My partners all went towards the gun shots, no race was said, no thought of our own safety was contemplated. We went because that is what we are called to do. We must help our community no matter who is in danger and no matter the risk. My partners found two of the suspects, and I rushed to help them as they are yelling they are not complying and now they are fighting. Where are the guns used? Do they have them? Are they going to try and kill my partners? All thoughts as I pull up and see my partners on the ground fighting with one male, a black man. Another black man is near them and turns to run as i approach. My partners yell “stop him.”
    I yell for him to stop and he turns and runs. Where is the gun? Does he still have it? Is he going to shoot me? My partners? Is he and innocent person just out for a walk? I give chase, he continues to run around a corner. Is he going to ambush me when I turn the corner? Where is the gun? My partners are yelling for more officers. The male keeps running until I and my partner gain ground on him and he stops. “Get your hands in the air!” He does not. “Get on the ground!” He does not. Where is the gun?!!!!! He turns his back hiding his hands from us, still not listening to commands. Where is the gun?!!!! I level my pistol at him. I put my finger on the trigger. Is this it? Is he going to shoot us? Am i going to have to shoot this man to save myself and others??? Will my wife wake up a widow, will my children no longer have their father? Is our community going to change forever because of me? Will everything burn only because we want to help? Because we want to live and not die? Because we don’t want to see innocent people in our community die. All of this in about 1/2 a second… My partner attempts to tackle him and now we fight because he is still not listening. I almost shot an “unarmed black man.” Why was he unarmed? Because (unknown to me at the time) when he ran and turned the corner in front of me, he threw the stolen gun he was carrying in the bushes.
    When the dust settled officers had cuts and bruises and two multi convicted felons went to jail unharmed, but it was only 1/16 of a squeeze from changing our world forever. All of this while you slept comfortably in your homes, safe from the wolves who roam our streets. You will not hear this story on the news. No one will call national attention to it. No one will say anything about this night. We simply just dust ourselves off, make sure each of us is ok and go on to the next call. This is what happens all across this country more often than you could ever imagine, but we are racist, we have to change. There must be accountability. Police must be defunded. Each and every day we dust each other off, make sure we are ok and go out into our communities and do the right thing. As the media, professional athletes, politicians, and social media warriors bash us day in and day out. Our promise to you as officers each day is that we will dust each other off, make sure we are ok, and go out into our community and die trying to make sure you are safe while you sleep in peace at night. I almost shot an “unarmed black man” last night. I challenge anyone to get out of your comfort zone and ride with us. Take a day in our shoes and see what it is really like. The truth, the unedited truth. We ask for nothing in return other than allowing the truth to come out. Wait for the facts. Stop destroying us before we even have a chance! Stop pushing the false narrative. Stand with us, help us! We are not heroes, we are men and women who just want to do the right thing.”

    Written by a Duluth Police Sergeant

    God Bless our law enforcement. Heroes in my opinion.

    Thank God we have police. I cannot imagine what our world would be like without them.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11792
    #1968945

    Powerful message. I could almost sense that it felt good for you to write this and get this off your chest. Maybe I’m wrong but it was almost poetic. I for one thank you for sharing this and for your services. I wish this message was spread all over social media like all the negative stuff is.
    I salute you sir!

    jwellsy
    Posts: 1585
    #1968948

    God bless LEO’s and President Trump as they try to restore law and order. Help Biden realize that law and order is not just an issue when polls turn bad.

    Tom Sawvell
    Inactive
    Posts: 9559
    #1968949

    Duluth Police Sargent and your fellow officers…Thank You for the service and protection you provide.

    Deranged, thank you for posting this.

    Don Meier
    Butternut Wisconsin
    Posts: 1679
    #1968977

    God bless LEO’s and President Trump as they try to restore law and order. Help Biden realize that law and order is not just an issue when polls turn bad.

    Yeah trump is a real law and order guy over 2500 civil lawsuits , trump University scam , birther conspiracy , tax evasion , 6 bankruptcies, housing discrimination, cheating vendors , money laundering not to mention “Grab them by the pussy ” , child rape allegations ,adultery , white supremacy and dishonoring a Gold Star family .

    Bearcat89
    North branch, mn
    Posts: 20768
    #1968978

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>jwellsy wrote:</div>
    God bless LEO’s and President Trump as they try to restore law and order. Help Biden realize that law and order is not just an issue when polls turn bad.

    Yeah trump is a real law and order guy over 2500 civil lawsuits , trump University scam , birther conspiracy , tax evasion , 6 bankruptcies, housing discrimination, cheating vendors , money laundering not to mention “Grab them by the pussy ” , child rape allegations ,adultery , white supremacy and dishonoring a Gold Star family .

    Why does 1 always have to go negative. What good does it do to argue back and forth on this site? Do you feel more manly or like you won. When you guys do this it makes you all look like idiots. Tame it down and go fishing.

    Buffalo Fishhead
    Posts: 302
    #1968980

    I saw this posted on another forum from a law enforcement officer that lives in a western state:

    It’s a messed up world out there, and once you get in the enforcement game, the blinders come off, you see what really roams around in your community, and you don’t get to put the blinders back on. Plus, it has moments where it gets really physical. I’ve been in some hairy fights.

    I have worked along side law enforcement officers and I really don’t know how they do it. I have the highest respect for them as I have heard many stories about the encounters they have had.

    Buffalo Fishhead

    catmando
    wis
    Posts: 1811
    #1968982

    When I hear that 5-time, draft dodger with fake deferments speak of law and order and folks believe him I just can’t fathom it. Plus this is not negativity… its the Truth!

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12061
    #1968989

    I think that anyone who kills someone should have to Justify it in court just like you or I would have to. No more, no less. We can’t have a situation where law enforcement can kill someone just because they don’t follow a directive. Wisconsin doesn’t have the death penalty. When I took my concealed carry class fifteen years ago, I understood that rule NUMBER ONE is don’t ever shoot anyone. Rule two is if you do shoot someone be prepared to be able to prove it to the court! Rule three is go back to rule one. It’s THAT serious.

    If you are going to follow rule #1 or Rule #3 if put in a shoot situation – I don’t know why you would bother to take a carry class or carry. But I do agree with you of how serious it is.

    joe-winter
    St. Peter, MN
    Posts: 1281
    #1968991

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Don Meier wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>jwellsy wrote:</div>
    God bless LEO’s and President Trump as they try to restore law and order. Help Biden realize that law and order is not just an issue when polls turn bad.

    Yeah trump is a real law and order guy over 2500 civil lawsuits , trump University scam , birther conspiracy , tax evasion , 6 bankruptcies, housing discrimination, cheating vendors , money laundering not to mention “Grab them by the pussy ” , child rape allegations ,adultery , white supremacy and dishonoring a Gold Star family .

    Why does 1 always have to go negative. What good does it do to argue back and forth on this site? Do you feel more manly or like you won. When you guys do this it makes you all look like idiots. Tame it down and go fishing.

    Not everyone gets to fish as much as you BearCat. Damn it all anyway!

    I am pissed I didn’t get to Mille Lacs this week. sure would feel better to call someone a name!

    Jim in Wisconsin
    Posts: 64
    #1968992

    Trust me, I sure as heck did NOT get a concealed carry license so I could shoot someone. I thought I made that clear.

    mplspug
    Palmetto, Florida
    Posts: 25026
    #1968993

    When I hear that 5-time, draft dodger with fake deferments speak of law and order and folks believe him I just can’t fathom it. Plus this is not negativity… its the Truth!

    Asthma Joe?

    grubson
    Harris, Somewhere in VNP
    Posts: 1636
    #1968994

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”><a href=”https://www.in-depthoutdoors.com/community/forums/topic/trouble-in-kenosha/page/8/#post-1968948&#8243;

    Yeah trump is a real law and order guy over 2500 civil lawsuits , trump University scam , birther conspiracy , tax evasion , 6 bankruptcies, housing discrimination, cheating vendors , money laundering not to mention “Grab them by the pussy ” , child rape allegations ,adultery , white supremacy and dishonoring a Gold Star family .

    Why don’t you tell us how you really feel?? rotflol
    What have the Democrats done to restore law and order?

    I hear there are some real nice homes for sale in China. May be something you should look into……

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13623
    #1968997

    Just a thought…well actual question….

    IF Jacob Blake is proven to be in the wrong and the officer is justified, does the “gofundme” page give the over $2,000,000.00 back to the donors???? OR is once a donation made, is it final and non-reservable??

    catmando
    wis
    Posts: 1811
    #1969000

    Just a thought…well actual question….

    IF Jacob Blake is proven to be in the wrong and the officer is justified, does the “gofundme” page give the over $2,000,000.00 back to the donors???? OR is once a donation made, is it final and non-reservable??

    2 rounds in the back could be justified, 7 in the back is a stretch in this guy’s way of thinking.

    Bearcat89
    North branch, mn
    Posts: 20768
    #1969001

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Randy Wieland wrote:</div>
    Just a thought…well actual question….

    IF Jacob Blake is proven to be in the wrong and the officer is justified, does the “gofundme” page give the over $2,000,000.00 back to the donors???? OR is once a donation made, is it final and non-reservable??

    2 rounds in the back could be justified, 7 in the back is a stretch in this guy’s way of thinking.

    7 is a little much, but oh well. Thats what sex offenders deserve. If he wasn’t a sex offender I’d care a little more

    b-curtis
    Farmington, MN
    Posts: 1438
    #1969002

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>jwellsy wrote:</div>
    God bless LEO’s and President Trump as they try to restore law and order. Help Biden realize that law and order is not just an issue when polls turn bad.

    Yeah trump is a real law and order guy over 2500 civil lawsuits , trump University scam , birther conspiracy , tax evasion , 6 bankruptcies, housing discrimination, cheating vendors , money laundering not to mention “Grab them by the pussy ” , child rape allegations ,adultery , white supremacy and dishonoring a Gold Star family .

    All that ranting and raving and you leave out treason?

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12061
    #1969008

    Just a thought…well actual question….

    IF Jacob Blake is proven to be in the wrong and the officer is justified, does the “gofundme” page give the over $2,000,000.00 back to the donors???? OR is once a donation made, is it final and non-reservable??

    I cant answer that one. I do know if the officer shooting is not found to be justified then the 2,000.000.00 will be nothing compared to the amount him or his family will receive in the lawsuit.

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13623
    #1969009

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Randy Wieland wrote:</div>
    Just a thought…well actual question….

    IF Jacob Blake is proven to be in the wrong and the officer is justified, does the “gofundme” page give the over $2,000,000.00 back to the donors???? OR is once a donation made, is it final and non-reservable??

    2 rounds in the back could be justified, 7 in the back is a stretch in this guy’s way of thinking.

    Regardless of 1 round or 50 rounds, once the decision is made that an individual is a “threat” – you stop the threat. # of rounds is irrelevant

    Now once the threat is immobilized, it becomes a different story. No longer a threat. Technically you can not walk up and put “one more round to finish them off”.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16770
    #1969011

    Can I nominate James Holst as the “most tolerant man” in America? applause

    I have to admit I thought this one was toast several pages ago.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12061
    #1969012

    Trust me, I sure as heck did NOT get a concealed carry license so I could shoot someone. I thought I made that clear.

    Nor did I. My point was if I am in a position I feel the need to defend myself or my family with deadly force – Then I’m not going to think about or follow rule #1. I hope that if ever in that position your thinking to hard on your Rule #1 is not the difference between you living or dying.

    fishthumper
    Sartell, MN.
    Posts: 12061
    #1969014

    Can I nominate James Holst as the “most tolerant man” in America? applause

    I have to admit I thought this one was toast several pages ago.

    Dutchboy – You sure like the though of post being dusted. Personally I hate it. I would rather they just deal with the person who causes the need for the post to be deleted.

    catmando
    wis
    Posts: 1811
    #1969015

    Maybe just maybe between rounds 4 and 6 he was still twitching give him one more. Now I swear to god done with this post!

    Tom Albrecht
    Eau Claire
    Posts: 537
    #1969017

    Maybe just maybe between rounds 4 and 6 he was still twitching give him one more. Now I swear to god done with this post!

    $20 says you get triggered again on this post

    Don Meier
    Butternut Wisconsin
    Posts: 1679
    #1969019

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>catmando wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Randy Wieland wrote:</div>
    Just a thought…well actual question….

    IF Jacob Blake is proven to be in the wrong and the officer is justified, does the “gofundme” page give the over $2,000,000.00 back to the donors???? OR is once a donation made, is it final and non-reservable??

    2 rounds in the back could be justified, 7 in the back is a stretch in this guy’s way of thinking.

    7 is a little much, but oh well. Thats what sex offenders deserve. If he wasn’t a sex offender I’d care a little more

    Lets see unless i agree in your eyes i’m a troublemaker /whatever ? Let me get this straight your line of thought is shoot them all and let God sort them out ?

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13623
    #1969024

    Can I nominate James Holst as the “most tolerant man” in America? applause

    I have to admit I thought this one was toast several pages ago.

    Obviously I can’t speak for James. But most of the discussion has been very civil and only a few posts crossing the line. Even then, it went back on track and has been pretty good. I’m sure if if it had continued to escalate – Poof, Gone, dust

    You warned of the dusting about 4 pages ago whistling toast

    I for one appreciate that this has been left alone. These situations impact all of our lives in different ways. An outlet with people that have similar values – differences of opinions, but at heart, many of us desire a peaceful way of life

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16770
    #1969025

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dutchboy wrote:</div>
    Can I nominate James Holst as the “most tolerant man” in America? applause

    I have to admit I thought this one was toast several pages ago.

    Dutchboy – You sure like the though of post being dusted. Personally I hate it. I would rather they just deal with the person who causes the need for the post to be deleted.

    Staying on topic….sure let them go if it’s civil. Drag the President into it and talk about unloading guns into somebody just goes over the edge. We have the equivalent of the rioters here, they are only here to cause trouble, they don’t care about the message.

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