Trouble in Kenosha

Snap wrote:

It’s possible that some don’t understand why other people no longer listen to police officers is because they’ve experienced very different encounters with police offers.

I would argue that every person has their own “tipping point” where they personally would stop obeying commands from the authorities. Some people have already hit it.

To the people who say “just follow the law”. This is objectively impossible. Laws have been accumulating for 200 years. There are more than 3.5 million words in the tax code alone. My one little local township has 64 pages of ordinances. There’s good research that shows the average person commits three felonies a day. You cannot “follow the law” when it is impossible to know what all the laws are.

Which brings us to what I believe is the fundamental problem. We are taught from a young age that it is a virtue to make your voice heard and to improve society via government. We view advocating for and enacting new laws, regulations, ordinances, building codes, etc as one of the greatest things a citizen can do. Common sense rules for all! What we don’t teach is that those laws, every single one of them, are enforced with threats and violence. Overwhelming violence. We are a people who believe it is a GOOD THING to impose our opinions on others via the force of government. We are no longer a people content to live and let live. Whether you like to think about it or not, the police are put in the position to be he violent enforcers of those opinions. And they MUST enforce. They are trained to escalate in situations where any normal, rational person would try to de-escalate. Because if they don’t escalate then law is meaningless.

You want police to be respected? You wan’t more police to come home? Stop advocating for an ever increasing number of laws for them to enforce.

You want to live in a peaceful world? Then be peaceful.

Not sure if I’m buying the ‘three felonies a day’ claim. Maybe, at worst, three nit-picky traffic violation misdemeanors like rolling a stop sign or right turn red light at 1/2mph.

Jon Jordan wrote:

Your Governor better call in the troops. Not just 125 to Kenosha. By tonight there will be all the hell raisers from around the country that burned down MPLS heading to and arriving in Madison

Don’t wait one day too long to deploy enough manpower to control this. Mpls/St Paul waited 2 days too long and half the city was destroyed. Any delay in preparing for total anarchy could be costly.

Bass Thumb wrote:

There’s good research that shows the average person commits three felonies a day. You cannot “follow the law” when it is impossible to know what all the laws are.

To quote my 3 year old. “Don’t be a dummy butt”. The cops aint out there looking to bust you for every stupid petty thing you do. If your doing something stupid or did something stupid to have warrants out for yourself when the law comes knocking shut the hell up and listen. They don’t wanna deal with your dumbass anymore then you wanna deal with them. Accept your punishment and move on.

There is a screenshot floating on social media of him appearing to be holding a curved blade knife or something similar. No judgement here as I wait for the facts to come out as I know they will.

gimruis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Jon Jordan wrote:</div>
Your Governor better call in the troops. Not just 125 to Kenosha. By tonight there will be all the hell raisers from around the country that burned down MPLS heading to and arriving in Madison

Don’t wait one day too long to deploy enough manpower to control this. Mpls/St Paul waited 2 days too long and half the city was destroyed. Any delay in preparing for total anarchy could be costly.

I think we need to scale back. 1/2 the city is a bit much don’t you think?

Dutchboy wrote:

I think we need to scale back. 1/2 the city is a bit much don’t you think?

I was exaggerating on half the city but I’m only trying to make a point that if you wait too long, the city gets destroyed. 125 natty guard troops isn’t near enough.

Dutchboy wrote:

I think we need to scale back. 1/2 the city is a bit much don’t you think?

1/2, 1/4, 1/16, 1/1000 – Doesn’t matter – Was more than should have happened if the Mayors and Governor would have taken the correct action sooner.

gimruis wrote:

125 natty guard troops isn’t near enough.

Especially if they are “19 year old cooks”.

This trend of Mobs taking to the streets and causing destruction and demanding arrests and charges before any investigation has taken place has got to stop. Politicians enabling these mobs and making excuses for them are even worse. If this trend continues there is going to be a point where some serious bloodshed occurs.

At some point hardworking law abiding citizens are going to have enough of this and take matters into their own hands. There has been a record surge in background checks for firearm purchases in the last few months. People are arming themselves because they realize the Gov’t will do nothing to stop these thugs….this is all going to end very badly!

Local government are the ones trying to appease the voters. The feds will get sent in if the locals prove they can’t handle the situation.

It’s the local and states job not the feds to maintain peace.

BTW, it doesn’t take 1000’s of troops or guardsman either. Fire hoses, rubber bullets,tear gas & flash bangs will reduce any rioters to sniveling baby’s in the fetal position begging for mommy to come help.

Joe Jarl wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>gimruis wrote:</div>
125 natty guard troops isn’t near enough.

Especially if they are “19 year old cooks”.

How many cooks does it take to control a riot?

deertracker wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Joe Jarl wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>gimruis wrote:</div>
125 natty guard troops isn’t near enough.

Especially if they are “19 year old cooks”.

How many cooks does it take to control a riot?

7,000+ did a heck of job in Minneapolis.

deertracker wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Joe Jarl wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>gimruis wrote:</div>
125 natty guard troops isn’t near enough.

Especially if they are “19 year old cooks”.

How many cooks does it take to control a riot?

Just one good one with a grill going. Hand out free hamburgers. Heck I might even show out to the protest then.

I watched the live coverage of the family and attorney’s talking to the media this afternoon. Pretty much as I anticipated- except for the mother. Very good speaker, and I thought a strong and very powerful message for no violence, no damage and be peaceful. The plea for everyone to look into their own heart and Understand we are all humans. Like her examples of how we are all different like trees,flowers, and so on. We have to unite and judge from our hearts. Kudos to her for using her platform today to express the need of a bigger issue is such a positive way

We were told riots are a myth, these are peaceful protesters and that if you resist it means your an ist or phobe of every variety.

This thread is …… something. The guy had a warrant, which means he was charged but I don’t think he was convicted. Supposed to be innocent until proven guilty right? Seemed like they probably didn’t need to pump him full of lead. Should he have complied? Sure. Is non-compliance justification for lethal force, no.

What could have been done to avoid the problem is just half of it. Shooting a suspect because he “might” escalate the danger is way different than shooting a suspect who HAS escalated the danger (by grabbing a weapon for example). If it was legit to kill a suspect because he might or could escalate, then why not shoot him in the front of the vehicle because of what he might or could do later? Put your son in Blake’s place. Is it okay for law enforcement to kill him when the only “offense” was disobeying the officer’s order?

We have to see what additional evidence surfaces.

We have to see what additional evidence surfaces.

Bingo, yes we do.

By June 19, the violence in the Twin Cities had resulted in 2 deaths, 619 arrests, and upwards of $500 million in damage to 1,500 properties, the second-most destructive period of local unrest in United States history, after the 1992 Los Angeles riots.

Dutchboy wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>gimruis wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Jon Jordan wrote:</div>
Your Governor better call in the troops. Not just 125 to Kenosha. By tonight there will be all the hell raisers from around the country that burned down MPLS heading to and arriving in Madison

Don’t wait one day too long to deploy enough manpower to control this. Mpls/St Paul waited 2 days too long and half the city was destroyed. Any delay in preparing for total anarchy could be costly.

I think we need to scale back. 1/2 the city is a bit much don’t you think?

When government action produces riots they call it anarchy.

It is ugly again this evening. I know someone who lives on the south side and cars with blocked out tags were lined up coming from IL into Kenosha… no doubt to be part of the party. I have zero tolerance for rioters burning and destroying this town – I wish they could be shot on site…. maybe then they would stay home. And no, I’m not kidding. That is all they understand… raise the bar high and quickly and put an end to it.

Something happen in Kenosha ?

deertracker wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Joe Jarl wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>gimruis wrote:</div>
125 natty guard troops isn’t near enough.

Especially if they are “19 year old cooks”.

How many cooks does it take to control a riot?

that’s a Perkins joke isn’t it.

Chuck Melcher wrote:

– I wish they could be shot on site…

I’m sure there are many of us who have thought or have said this. Obviously extreme view, but reality. Just shows how bad things are escalating and only a few, if any, are held accountable for there actions. In particular when it’s tied to political spotlights.

It’s only a matter of time when some people get fed up enough to protect their property as they see fit….specifically shooting these idiots or plowing a car/truck through them. It’s going to happen and sooner than later. Then imagine the political fall out after that!

I think so much of this is getting blurred and it’s so unfortunate that most cases haven’t been handled well. amendment rights must always be respected. But there is a right and wrong way to proceed. Everyone has the right to be heard and state their mind. But breaking the law to do so is blatantly wrong, and should have been addressed early on. There has been little to zero accountability for breaking the law. Mayors, Governors, and so on get caught up in the political crap that they let this poop just play out, instead of guiding it to be organized.

Then these animals that just come out to destroy. I think many of those just are looking for an excuse to go on these rampages to destroy innocent people’s property. They have no real tie to the situation at hand. It’s just an excuse and nothing more.

Additionally I think all the recent exploitations have increased racial tensions. Not saying that it isn’t there. But I think we as an over all society have improved greatly in the last number of years. I’m concerned that the constant portrayal in the media and political theater is going to destroy that

Eventually if this continues (rioting, plundering, stealing, destroying) i think somebody will go vigilante. It might not be now, or the next riot, or even this year. But some day, I think it’ll happen. The tolerance for these types of actions and behaviors is running thin.

Weekender wrote:

Eventually if this continues (rioting, plundering, stealing, destroying) i think somebody will go vigilante. It might not be now, or the next riot, or even this year. But some day, I think it’ll happen. The tolerance for these types of actions and behaviors is running thin.

Looks like that may be the case. BLM guy shot in the face with buckshot somewhere out East and couple
More shot in Kenosha last night.

There’s also a video of a group of rioters trying to block an armored car. A couple of the rioters have AR style rifles. The car tear gasses the crowd to move it and then the armed rioters appear to shoot at the armored car as its driving slowly away.

Friggin animals I tell you

Randy Wieland wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Weekender wrote:</div>
Eventually if this continues (rioting, plundering, stealing, destroying) i think somebody will go vigilante. It might not be now, or the next riot, or even this year. But some day, I think it’ll happen. The tolerance for these types of actions and behaviors is running thin.

More shot in Kenosha last night.

Rioter/looter attempts to throw something on fire at armed individual. individual shoots rioter in head. other rioters chase shooter. shooter stumbles. shoots 2 or 3 more rioters as they try to attack him while he’s on the ground. one got his bicep blown off and was found to be drawing a pistol when shot. Shooter possibly ID’d as a 17 year old? Lots of people this morning trying to compile all of the video of the incident chronologically, but for the most part it’s all on video including the ironic part when people surrounding the rioter that got brained are yelling “call the police”.

Who in their right mind goes after someone armed with an AR style rifle? Not this guy. Not sure what they thought would happen. Of course he’s going to use the weapon he has against an angry mob.

Something needs to be done about this white on white violence