Tribal Leader Interview

  • BigWerm
    SW Metro
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    #1718979

    This was from Oct 1, 2017 in the Star Tribune.

    By Tony Kennedy

    Bradley Harrington Jr., the Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe commissioner of Natural Resources and Environment, said state and tribal fisheries managers dealing with historically low walleye numbers on Lake Mille Lacs sense a buildup of community pressure to liberalize fishing regulations. But science-based conservation of the species comes first, he said.

    While many longtime anglers and people who make money from walleye fishing say the lake’s walleye population has recovered, Harrington cites evidence to the contrary. He also said anti-Indian racial tension in the area has increased.

    By law, Harrington’s agency shares management of the fishery with seven other Ojibwe, or Chippewa, bands and the Department of Natural Resources (DNR). Under jointly set harvest limits, it’s been illegal for two consecutive summers for state-licensed anglers to keep any Mille Lacs walleyes. Also this summer there was a period when catch-and-release fishing for walleyes was banned.

    Harrington recently responded to questions from the Star Tribune. The exchange, edited for length, follows.

    Q In what ways are social pressures for greater walleye harvest on Mille Lacs affecting management of the fishery?

    A Every group affected by the declining ogaa [walleye] population has a different perspective on what’s causing it and what to do about it. Scientific data must be our common ground. We should be able to agree on the science while still holding our values true. The bands take into account the state anglers’ privilege to harvest walleye from the lake. We have agreed to a 70/30 split for anglers to ease the conservation burden rather than insisting on a 50/50 split that exists in other co-managed fisheries. We expect and deserve to have state anglers respect our constitutionally protected right to harvest as well. The treaty rights to harvest on Mille Lacs and in other ceded territories is protected by the U.S. Constitution.

    When it comes to natural resources, the financial element should not be considered when the resource is struggling. Conservation should be first and foremost. Decisions about management should happen and then other steps taken to address the consequences. The fact is, that is what has happened. The state has allocated millions of dollars to help the resorts and businesses losing revenue due to the low ogaa population. Resorts are market driven and sometimes the market is good and sometimes not. Preparing for tough times in a nature-focused industry should have been considered because that is good business. The well-being of the ogaa should not be driven by the market, but management decisions based on good science.

    Q Some Mille Lacs area residents and business owners, including members of a state-appointed citizen advisory committee, want the DNR to be “tougher’’ with bands during walleye harvest negotiations. Do you see any change in the DNR’s posture during technical committee work that reflects this attitude? Is the DNR getting tougher?

    A The pressure from the resorts is definitely sensed at the meetings, but our focus continues to be on analyzing the data and making decisions that protect the long-term health of the lake.

    Q The citizen advisory committee wants observers to sit in on walleye management meetings between the DNR and tribes. Could [observers] help relieve some of the social discontent with walleye management on Mille Lacs?

    A The technical committee provides a forum for government-to-government discussion in accordance with a court order that was affirmed by the U.S. Supreme Court. It’s not a public committee where anyone can speak their minds. Tribal members are represented by their government officials and tribal biologists. State anglers are represented by the Minnesota DNR. The tribes take the information back to their communities and the state does the same.

    Q Critics of walleye management on Mille Lacs don’t believe the lake’s walleye population is in distress. They say the lake is “back” or has recovered. What’s the best scientific evidence to the contrary?

    A The best evidence comes from zooplankton and invasive species counts. … Microscopic zooplankton is eaten by forage fish [sunfish, minnows, perch] and forage fish are eaten by bigger fish such as walleye. Biologists have tracked drastic reductions in the amount and type of zooplankton in Mille Lacs. That means less food for forage fish, therefore less forage fish, therefore less big fish. How did this happen? Zebra mussels and spiny waterfleas both filter and eat plankton. The biomass of zebra mussels is well over 1,000 times the walleye biomass in Mille Lacs. So all that energy from the zooplankton that would have become forage fish is “locked up” and unusable. Biological and abiotic impacts from these invasive species may be increasing cannibalism of juvenile walleye, reducing fish habitat, and reducing forage fish species that “buffer” against juvenile walleye predation.

    Q There’s been a perception in the Mille Lacs area that tribal fishing of walleye during the spawn hurts the fishery. Has that perception worsened or eased over time? Do you think vocal opponents of the joint management system have a racist agenda or anti-Indian agenda? If so, how does it affect management of the fishery?

    A Many of the most vocal voices clearly have an anti-Indian agenda rooted in racism. These are the same people who threw rocks at Native Americans exercising their rights in the 1990s. Today is not quite that bad, but anti-Indian activities have increased in recent years; the recent “Circle the Wagons” rally [where protesters in boats encircled Gov. Mark Dayton while he promoted Mille Lacs bass fishing] is a perfect example of blatant racism at play on Mille Lacs. Some of those raising objections to treaty rights and the science behind management decisions just don’t like that the 1837 treaty protects our right to harvest through netting and spearing. They refuse to respect or acknowledge the rights of Anishinaabe people. They want to talk about saving the heritage and culture of Minnesota fishing while ignoring the ugly history of racism that is connected to it. They also choose to ignore the fact that the heritage and culture of the Ojibwe people predates Minnesota’s angling traditions.

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
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    #1718983

    I was keeping an open mind until the last answer.

    gizmoguy
    Crystal,MN
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    #1718985

    They also claimed it was a religious ceremonial thing during the litigation. That turned out to be BS.

    Tom Sawvell
    Inactive
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    #1718988

    That racism shot turned me away.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22456
    #1718994

    I am voicing my displeasure and never threw rocks at anyone. He is confusing my pro Ooga with anti-Indian. My ancestors fished as long as his… I am a native American also. Always have to throw that card in on the last hand. That means he has no game.

    who came up with the cute “circle the wagons protest” name… guessing another case of “it fits our narrative so we will self inflict some racism” tactic again.

    nhamm
    Inactive
    Robbinsdale
    Posts: 7348
    #1718997

    He answered the last question mostly, which was a fully loaded one that may have been better served as two.

    What people need to get is the racism card needs to be addressed before anything gets dealt with.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22456
    #1719001

    when two people/races are treated differently by one government, they are different. doesn’t make it racism, makes it forced differentism, which just promotes racism.

    Walleyestudent Andy Cox
    Garrison MN-Mille Lacs
    Posts: 4484
    #1719004

    I first read this “piece” in last Sundays Strib Sports/Outdoor section. Too bad “Bradley Harrington Jr., the Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe commissioner of Natural Resources and Environment” is not on this forum to answer or reply. I suppose I could send my questions/objections to him directly, think he’d reply to me?

    First off; “Biologists have tracked drastic reductions in the amount and type of zooplankton in Mille Lacs. That means less food for forage fish, therefore less forage fish, therefore less big fish. How did this happen?

    Less big fish?? Right now Mille Lacs is loaded with BIG fish, muskies, pike, SM bass, AND big walleyes.
    How did this happen? Regarding walleyes, he made no mention of the FACT that the treaty co-management has since it’s inception tilted the balance of harvest on smaller fish protecting the larger specimens BECAUSE the allowable quota was based on pounds of fish. Therefore, keeping large fish “off limits” in order to stay within the allowable harvest limit measured by pounds.

    Next he says…”The biomass of zebra mussels is well over 1,000 times the walleye biomass in Mille Lacs. So all that energy from the zooplankton that would have become forage fish is “locked up” and unusable. Biological and abiotic impacts from these invasive species may be increasing cannibalism of juvenile walleye, reducing fish habitat, and reducing forage fish species that “buffer” against juvenile walleye predation.”

    Perhaps this is not a valid comparison but Lake Erie is loaded with zebra mussels and has been for years, yet the walleye population on that fishery is booming. Not just an apple to orange comparison, granted they are different but how much different if blaming zebra mussels? He insists on “science based” management. Explain the science there? What else might be different??

    And then this? “A Many of the most vocal voices clearly have an anti-Indian agenda rooted in racism. These are the same people who threw rocks at Native Americans exercising their rights in the 1990s.”

    Yes, that did happen…in WISCONSIN! No, these are NOT the same people. For him to broaden his paint brush and attach that to the Mille Lacs community is inaccurate and offensive. The subject being addressed is Mille Lacs, not all Native American/white citizens interactions.

    And finally this…”the recent “Circle the Wagons” rally [where protesters in boats encircled Gov. Mark Dayton while he promoted Mille Lacs bass fishing] is a perfect example of blatant racism at play on Mille Lacs.”

    As much as I personally opposed the “Circle the Wagons” rally for a number of reasons, I cannot stretch my imagination far enough to find anything close to this…” is a perfect example of blatant racism at play on Mille Lacs” ???

    nhamm
    Inactive
    Robbinsdale
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    #1719005

    That one government had bounties put on Indian scalps 150yrs ago G, how many $hits you think they give about equality at this point. Wounds are still fresh in their minds, easy to relive those wounds listening to the elders over a fire.

    Besides, at this point, they don’t have to give a crap bc they hold the power as we’ve seen with the skewed “science” numbers no?

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16658
    #1719013

    None of this matters. Until you choke the economic monster nothing changes. Same 10 guys on 3 web sites pi$$ing & moaning only causes fits of laughter among GLIFWC members.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11038
    #1719030

    The people doing these studies must not ever fish the lake. I fished it only 3 times this open water season but with the number of walleye I caught I have a hard time thinking anyone that has fished it lately could possibly think the numbers are still down. Sustainability is more of a concern in my mind.

    Not surprised the Star Trib threw the racism meatball out for this guy to use. On par with the rest of the media in this state.

    munchy
    NULL
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    #1719038

    It’s obvious he doesn’t know what “Circling the Wagons” actually came from. It came about as a form of defense against attack from indians, they never used it as a form of attack.

    David Blais
    Posts: 766
    #1719049

    Where is Mille Lacs and whats the deal with these ogaa? sleeping

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16658
    #1719053

    These articles do nothing to help Mille Lacs. There are so few people that visit Mille Lacs compared to the numbers that see these type of articles. If 100 people read the article and consume and believe what is written and only 10 are active fisherman of Mille Lacs it’s a net gain of 90% in the PR battle. Politics in this country prove that what you say don’t need to be 100% truthful, you just need the right platform to deliver the message. Taxpayers in this state have been losing the PR battle since the courts confirmed the treaty decision. As long as GLIFWC remains united in their goals that won’t change.

    404 ERROR
    MN
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    #1719063

    when two people/races are treated differently by one government, they are different. doesn’t make it racism, makes it forced differentism, which just promotes racism.

    Couldn’t have said it better myself.

    Tom Sawvell
    Inactive
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    #1719070

    The article mentions the tribes being assured of their ability to practice customs according to heritage. I have no problem with that at all. Birch bark canoes and gut nets were the norms when the treaty was signed and they should be used today to adhere to that “heritage”. No artificial lights other than traditional torches used back then and absolutely no power equipment. But the tribes insist on speaking with a forked tongue and say pursuing this with modern contrivances is legit. That said, I say that the treaty, since times have changed, should be re-addressed and changed to reflect those changes that they want to shove down the throats of everyone NOT an indian. Forced racism. Forced prejudice. And its all government supported.

    philtickelson
    Inactive
    Mahtomedi, MN
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    #1719085

    This was from Oct 1, 2017 in the Star Tribune.
    The fact is, that is what has happened. The state has allocated millions of dollars to help the resorts and businesses losing revenue due to the low ogaa population. Resorts are market driven and sometimes the market is good and sometimes not. Preparing for tough times in a nature-focused industry should have been considered because that is good business. The well-being of the ogaa should not be driven by the market, but management decisions based on good science.

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    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6021
    #1719089

    Agree, Tom. Also the netters should be required to be tribal members who are 100% indian. Not someone who is 1% related to someone-white-guy with blue eyes and blonde hair. Or worse, just hired off the street to do the dirty work. chased

    -J.

    crappie55369
    Mound, MN
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    #1719091

    differentism

    what is this? I googled it and all that came up was an article about scrabble debates

    pool2fool
    Inactive
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 1709
    #1719098

    I try to have an open ear to all sides of this debacle but I absolutely cannot stand this kind of “interview.” To me it reads like the GLIFWC’s PR team guided the whole thing with softball questions met with obviously biased answers that make statements in the name of “science” — and then once again they fail to explain the research and analysis that has shaped their conclusions in any depth.

    I’d love to see an open-to-the-public town-hall where there can be an actual discourse. Reps from the DNR and GLIFWC, anglers, resort owners, conservationists. Never going to happen because nobody can force all sides to come to the table.

    differentism

    what is this? I googled it and all that came up was an article about scrabble debates

    jester

    fictionary

    Tuma
    Inactive
    Farmington, MN
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    #1719103

    I have no problem honoring the 1837 treaty protecting their right to spear and net. But can we adjust it to say they can’t do it during spawn or have them follow the seasons set by the DNR. Based on science, it is not good to disrupt a species during its spawn. In 1837 was there such a thing as a closed season where you couldn’t target a species?

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11660
    #1719104

    Never answered the last question. Who ever asked it did a urine poor job redirecting the question to racism.

    Yes, but it doesn’t help to have a bunch of idiot resort owners pulling a shoot-your-cause-in-the-foot stunt. Talk about pouring gasoline on the OTHER side’s fire.

    Whatever the Indians do/don’t do, etc, the resort owners and their followers aren’t exactly doing anglers any favors.

    Grouse

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6021
    #1719106

    the resort owners and their followers aren’t exactly doing anglers any favors.

    Doing something is better than doing nothing. coffee

    -J.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11660
    #1719136

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>TheFamousGrouse wrote:</div>
    the resort owners and their followers aren’t exactly doing anglers any favors.

    Doing something is better than doing nothing. coffee

    -J.

    Totally not true.

    And certainly doing the WRONG thing is far, far worse than doing nothing.

    Grouse

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11660
    #1719139

    have no problem honoring the 1837 treaty protecting their right to spear and net. But can we adjust it to say they can’t do it during spawn or have them follow the seasons set by the DNR. Based on science, it is not good to disrupt a species during its spawn. In 1837 was there such a thing as a closed season where you couldn’t target a species?

    Where were you in 1837 when we needed you?

    Sure, the treaty can be “adjusted”. You just have to get the Mille Lacs Band to agree to it!

    This is the problem with the treaties. They were written in a vague and slipshod way by a government that didn’t care because they had no intention of ever having to honor them.

    Have you ever heard the phrase, “hoisted with one’s own petard”? Well, to badly mix my idioms, the petard shoe fits and now we’re wearing it.

    Grouse

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
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    #1719141

    JJ is correct. While circling Dayton might not have been the smartest tactic it garnered more publicity of the issue then any other action or publicity in the past year.

    Tuma
    Inactive
    Farmington, MN
    Posts: 1403
    #1719142

    I understand that Grouse.

    Bradley Harrington Jr., the Mille Lacs Band of Ojibwe commissioner of Natural Resources and Environment, said state and tribal fisheries managers dealing with historically low walleye numbers on Lake Mille Lacs sense a buildup of community pressure to liberalize fishing regulations. But science-based conservation of the species comes first, he said.

    Wouldn’t this tell you they should agree with not netting during the spawn? rotflol

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6021
    #1719143

    Grouse,

    Your perspective is an outsider looking in. My perspective is that of an insider looking out.

    We we likely never see things the same.

    -J.

    Walleyestudent Andy Cox
    Garrison MN-Mille Lacs
    Posts: 4484
    #1719144

    JJ is correct. While circling Dayton might not have been the smartest tactic it garnered more publicity of the issue then any other action or publicity in the past year.

    I tend to disagree…not when the publicity garnered sheds the issue even more negatively. What positive resulted from this? That more people know about it now? I will use your quote from above (which I do agree with BTW)…
    “These articles do nothing to help Mille Lacs. There are so few people that visit Mille Lacs compared to the numbers that see these type of articles. If 100 people read the article and consume and believe what is written and only 10 are active fisherman of Mille Lacs it’s a net gain of 90% in the PR battle.”

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16658
    #1719145

    Good or bad there is no denying it brought publicity. How we each view that is whats up in the air.

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