I just don’t get why they seam to always have trouble, and it includes people at the top. How many coaches have they bought out, fired or just didn’t renew contracts, how many scandals etc can a Div 1 school consistently have?
I hope the board of regents will look at the whole scope of the mens’ athletic program from top to bottom.
There is an inherent arrogance in the program,it allows a sense of intolerance when the athletes believe that because they have been granted a scholarship, they have perceived rights above other students.Gramps always said;
When the hen house needs to be cleaned out, you clean all the shite out,not just where you have to walk.
Point obsurvered and an astoundingly, GET IT DONE!
Dutchboy thanks for posting the thread. We learn by ccommunicating.
My problem right now is the media focussing on what Claeys has to say and the subject of claeys intruduced into this matter. He is a sub plot irelelavent to what happened. Are we beining swayed from the real problem? I say yes!
Well, lets not lose sight that somebody recruited these kids. Did they just get caught up in something or do they have a history of trouble following them?
This is the tip of the iceberg. Depending on the findings and who is involved it could effect the jobs of Kaler and Coyle.
Before everyone hangs these kids, read the full report.
The Minneapolis Police
Department concluded that the sexual contact “appears entirely consensual.”
This quote was directly related to the 90 second cell phone video of alleged victim and 2 others in the room. Page 25 of report.
Not sticking up for the kids, just throwing it out there. For the life of me cant figure out why anyone would want sloppy 2nds, 3rds, 4ths and fifths, barf!
Not sticking up for the kids, just throwing it out there. For the life of me cant figure out why anyone would want sloppy 2nds, 3rds, 4ths and fifths, barf!
Let me first say that you have not considered the wide ranging statement above.
Secondly as Father of two fine young ladies who I love dearly I view this statement with disdain.
Sadly, this statement blurs the situation at hand.
If you think the first was fine,you straddle the line of becoming part of the mentality of the gang of ten.
All of us who have daughters,see the helplessness of young women who find them selves In situations they have no control of.
I see Jerry Kill is back in coaching as an offensive coordinator. While I don’t question the sincerity of his retirement speech I wonder how much being a part of the Gophers program played into it.
Many of these athlete’s have been coddled much of their lives due to their athletic ability. They sit in their living rooms while recruiters line up to kiss their assets. In a few short years when the schools are done with them and they realize they weren’t even close enough to play in the NFL some of these guys will have no life skills and will resort to a life of crime.
Then the next group will come in and it all starts again.
These type of stories always make me wonder what kind of stuff is covered up by schools where the football and/or basketball programs are worshipped? Does anyone think that this story would ever come to light if it happened at Alabama?
In some cases, not all cases……….these are the 3rd and 4th ranked athletes. The really good guys, the 5 star end up at Alabama, Michigan, USC ect. Lots of the kids we get only get into school on a athletic scholarship. The vast majority don’t get into trouble, attend some classes, graduate with a degree in burger flipping and return to life with nothing more valuable then what they arrived with. On occasion you will have someone make the pro’s for a couple of years or get a meaningful degree. The failure is not strickly on the kids. The adminastration should be held accountable also. The fans also should be held accountable. After all, whats more important….. having a .500 record or turning out young adults who will be in society long after they can’t play ball anymore?
The police and lawyers will sort out what happens to these young men and that women. Public opinion will dictate what happens to Claeys, Kaler & Coyle. Money will be what makes the outcome a joke for decades to come.
This isn’t a problem limited to the U, it’s nationwide from grade schools to boardrooms. Somewhere, sometime, someone has to stand up and say enough.
All of us who have daughters,see the helplessness of young women who find them selves In situations they have no control of.
She had plenty of control not to take 4 shots of 100 proof right before coming over to apartment. I teach my 3 daughters to be responsible for themselves, and if you put yourself in a bad situation don’t cry about what happens.
Gang of 10? Hardly, think it was 5 total, and not sure if you know but it’s called a train, and it happens in college. She already was taking care of 2 at the same time, 3 got well not sure if that’s gonna work because you kind of start running out of options, if you know what I’m saying.
Again, not sticking up for these athletes. But the helplessness of women I don’t stand for. They are amazing creatures but they need to think and act differently than men to avoid situations. Same strength, just in a different manner. If they don’t, they have the potential to wind up in this situation where noone really knows.
From my reading of the police report and the Univ. report I have gathered that there probably isn’t enough evidence or proof to prove that these 2-10 young men are guilty of a crime. I will also say that I agree with the University in the suspension because students athletes are held to a higher standard than anybody else on campus. Whether they did something illegal or not, there is no doubt that they put themselves in a bad situation and did not live up to the high expectations that the school has of them off the field.
These type of stories always make me wonder what kind of stuff is covered up by schools where the football and/or basketball programs are worshipped? Does anyone think that this story would ever come to light if it happened at Alabama?
Not to make light of any actions, but this is exactly right. My personal belief is that one BIG reason the UM has trouble recruiting not only players, but type flight coaches, is that issues don’t get covered up here. And I’m good with that.
But we are not playing on an even field. And our issues hit the media far more than other schools (like they should).
Other point to make here is that this is 10 kids out of what, 90.? And many many football players that play at the U finish school with a great degree and life skills. Yes, some kids come here, like they do to any school, having been given every advantage in life due to their athletic ability, and squander that opportunity away when they dont make the NFL. But no where near the majority of them are in that situation.
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Nhamm, you think “trains” are something that happens in college? Where did you hear that? And what the hell is wrong with you?
Other point to make here is that this is 10 kids out of what, 90.? And many many football players that play at the U finish school with a great degree and life skills. Yes, some kids come here, like they do to any school, having been given every advantage in life due to their athletic ability, and squander that opportunity away when they dont make the NFL. But no where near the majority of them are in that situation.
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I agree. And there are plenty of non-athlete students who squander away their opportunities and parent’s money by skipping class by being lazy, playing video games, getting wrapped up in sketchy/illegal activity, etc and then drop out.
Nhamm, you think “trains” are something that happens in college? Where did you hear that? And what the hell is wrong with you?
Yes they do, as well as outside college as well, and what is wrong with me for passing along truthful information. If you can’t handle it that’s fine, but don’t come to me and say things like that. Just because it didn’t happen in your circles, don’t mean it doesn’t.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>jeff_huberty wrote:</div>
All of us who have daughters,see the helplessness of young women who find them selves In situations they have no control of.She had plenty of control not to take 4 shots of 100 proof right before coming over to apartment. I teach my 3 daughters to be responsible for themselves, and if you put yourself in a bad situation don’t cry about what happens.
Gang of 10? Hardly, think it was 5 total, and not sure if you know but it’s called a train, and it happens in college. She already was taking care of 2 at the same time, 3 got well not sure if that’s gonna work because you kind of start running out of options, if you know what I’m saying.
Again, not sticking up for these athletes. But the helplessness of women I don’t stand for. They are amazing creatures but they need to think and act differently than men to avoid situations. Same strength, just in a different manner. If they don’t, they have the potential to wind up in this situation where noone really knows.
I highlighted the major problems in your thought process (tough to believe you have daughters…). I could give a flying f*ck if girls put themselves into vulnerable situations. Kids do it everyday. What happens after they do that is the boys fault. Boys have two choices: 1) You can choose to take care of the girls by treating them as if they were your own sisters by protecting them or helping them home or 2) You can take advantage of them by doing things to them that you shouldn’t. Morals come into play here and I couldn’t give a crap if it was 1 or 10 boys. You help those in need (be it a friend or a helpless girl…). Love to see what you would say to your daughter if this happened, “well sweetie, you shouldn’t have put yourself into that situation. Boys will be boys…”. You need to re-look at your opinion because you are DEAD wrong. It is NEVER the girls fault…RR
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>john23 wrote:</div>
Nhamm, you think “trains” are something that happens in college? Where did you hear that? And what the hell is wrong with you?Yes they do, as well as outside college as well, and what is wrong with me for passing along truthful information. If you can’t handle it that’s fine, but don’t come to me and say things like that. Just because it didn’t happen in your circles, don’t mean it doesn’t.
I apologize for the personal attack. But please read the report again. It says that she drank several hours before the encounter (which doesn’t matter in my view) and that there were 10-20 men involved. Nothing about it sounds OK. What really bothers me is your statement that women who put themselves in bad situations shouldn’t cry afterward about what happens. After reading the report myself I disagree very strongly with the application of that statement to this situation.
RR, it was quite pleasant with your absence lately because as usual you get personal and I have nothing to say to you or your statement.
I’m done arguing my point for now. If you want to change horny young men to stop doing what some do, good luck. Equality is just that, and to overly protect women I feel creates the inequality we all are trying to get rid of. See all as equal, and I’ll empower my girls the way they need to be to avoid situations such as this. Really hope none of you have to deal with sexual assaults like some people I know very, very well has, and perhaps that’s why my opinion is so skewed.
RR, it was quite pleasant with your absence lately because as usual you get personal and I have nothing to say to you or your statement.
I’m done arguing my point for now. If you want to change horny young men to stop doing what some do, good luck. Equality is just that, and to overly protect women I feel creates the inequality we all are trying to get rid of. See all as equal, and I’ll empower my girls the way they need to be to avoid situations such as this. Really hope none of you have to deal with sexual assaults like some people I know very, very well has, and perhaps that’s why my opinion is so skewed.
Personal? Ah no. I wasn’t. Your opinion already spelled out everything we need to know about you. RR
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>jeff_huberty wrote:</div>
All of us who have daughters,see the helplessness of young women who find them selves In situations they have no control of.She had plenty of control not to take 4 shots of 100 proof right before coming over to apartment. I teach my 3 daughters to be responsible for themselves, and if you put yourself in a bad situation don’t cry about what happens.
I am not going to judge or opine on anyone’s comments here, I am only offering my perspective.
I too have always taught my 2 daughters to be responsible for themselves. Both my daughters attended and graduated college, 1 of them..the oldest, from the U of M. Her freshman year she started dating what she believed to be a nice young man. All was fun in the beginning and they seemed to enjoy each others company. After a couple months she noticed that his behavior began to change and he seemed to become more controlling. She was finding herself more uncomfortable with this person and was looking for a way to end the relationship.
She allowed him into her dorm room to talk about this (should be noted he had not exhibited any aggressive or violent behavior previous). During this discussion he did become angry, aggressive and pushed her across the room with her falling and hitting her head on the desk. Not good. She too was apprehensive to report this for many of the reasons we commonly hear about. Retaliation? Other friends taking sides? (which some did)…she ultimately reported it.
The point here is that no matter what and how much you may teach them, a seemingly benign situation can turn into a bad one very quickly and we cannot know how we or anyone might react when suddenly in an unexpected and threatening situation. I can understand why women may not always fight back in these situations because they fear that they may incur an even worse beating or assault, or worse??
She had plenty of control not to take 4 shots of 100 proof right before coming over to apartment. I teach my 3 daughters to be responsible for themselves, and if you put yourself in a bad situation don’t cry about what happens.
Your response is baffling, maybe you had three four shots before you posted that?
Not quite sure how old your daughters are but at sometime in life they will make a mistake, despite what you do to protect and raise them properly.
We all raise our children to be careful of others, and most importantly to be in a state of self disciplined and control.
10 men took advantage of that young lady, she is someones daughter and did not deserve what has happend to her.
If you condone those actions by saying she was drunk and deserved it you may need more parenting yourself.
There is no way on Gods Green Earth that as a father I would spew those condescending words towards anyone’s daughter let alone my own.
I will need to reread the report. Was super late last night when I got in town after 2 hard days of fishing. Can’t believe all of you are seeing things differently.
Sorry but you being tired from “2 days of hard fishing” can’t erase the below statement. We are all sad for you dude…RR
“She had plenty of control not to take 4 shots of 100 proof right before coming over to apartment. I teach my 3 daughters to be responsible for themselves, and if you put yourself in a bad situation don’t cry about what happens…”
I will need to reread the report. Was super late last night when I got in town after 2 hard days of fishing. Can’t believe all of you are seeing things differently.
I don’t think any amount of reading will fix your messed up thinking.
There were words put in my mouth that weren’t there, and maybe some unclear statements written by myself. I’ll leave that as that, and look forward to clearing it hopefully later tonight.
For now, maybe put the pitchforks down?
Suffice to say mistakes were made on all fronts of this story. The mistakes are done, what has happened has happened. Now is the time to learn from the mistakes and hold ALL accountable for their actions or lack of actions. This is not a sweep under the rug type of story. People will lose jobs over this and some may go to jail before it’s done.
Nick, I think you should have taken some of these guys fishing with you.
Could have used some of them pitch forks for jiggle sticks.
Let’s see how this all plays out in the news guys.
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