Tracy Claeys fired?

Just heard the tail end of a conversation on KFAN that Claeys had been fired. Anybody else hear that?

I can’t find anything. I do know he made comments today saying he’d be fired if the boycott continued, and the chances of him losing his job is very good.

Well you know the players didn’t cave on their own. I’m quite certain (with no way to prove it) the NCAA told the U to get the situation under control that it was embarrassing their brand.( the money tree) I would guess Kahler told them their scholarships would be pulled if it continued or if they mentioned the content of the meeting to the press.

It’s a ugly situation with a bunch of kids in the middle. I think with or without Claeys a bunch of these kids will transfer.

“It’s a ugly situation with a bunch of kids in the middle. I think with or without Claeys a bunch of these kids will transfer.”

Well, there goes our shot at a national championship

I hope somebody explained to these kids that getting a scholarship to play football is a privilege. If they violated an agreement about their conduct, then they should see the consequences.

The most disturbing thing I heard was one of the player’s fathers saying his son was being treated unfairly because the kid had so much talent. In other words, if you’re a good football player the rules don’t apply to you? Hogwash.

SR

As far as the incedent I don’t think the truth has been released has it? At least as far as the cops and DA goes there wasn’t enough to charge or procecute. So, the U is the one who decided to suspend these kids. I find it interesting that the first time they suspended 5 kids, now this time it’s 10. I applaud the kids for standing up for their teamates. I’m disappointed that they caved in if they truly believe the kids were innocent.

This thing won’t be swept under the rug.

Dutchboy wrote:

As far as the incedent I don’t think the truth has been released has it? At least as far as the cops and DA goes there wasn’t enough to charge or procecute. So, the U is the one who decided to suspend these kids. I find it interesting that the first time they suspended 5 kids, now this time it’s 10. I applaud the kids for standing up for their teamates. I’m disappointed that they caved in if they truly believe the kids were innocent.

This thing won’t be swept under the rug.

The players weren’t charged with any crimes supposedly because there wasn’t enough evidence to prosecute with good chance of convicting (which is a significant factor for the prosecution on when deciding to charge a crime…enough evidence to convict?)
Standards for student conduct, student/athlete conduct is another set of rules that must be upheld regardless if there was any criminal actions. Just the rules…I didn’t make them.
Another observation involving perhaps several participants (willing or unwilling) was alcohol consumption…wondering if all, or any were 21?
What a quagmire!

Different story but similar circumstances involving NCAA football players behaving badly: Video footage released of Oklahoma RB Joe Mixon punching a gal from two years ago. In addition to this already being an ugly situation, something I learned was that Oklahoma suspended him for a season……………then redshirted him for that season. WTF? If that doesn’t look bad then I don’t know what does.

I read up on this issue over the weekend. Dug into the Title IX investigation and it’s findings. After reading up, I became more content that the U did what they had to do. They could however have communicated much more effectively with their players. If the players felt so out of the loop that they had to boycott, shame on the U for handling the communication so poorly.

To paraphrase what I read on Title IX, the U, being a public university, is required to run a Title IX investigation in cases of sexual abuse regardless of criminal prosecution. The investigation does not have to prove to the level of a criminal charge, just that it was reasonable to believe that a dangerous situation had occurred. The findings of the Title IX investigation recommended that 10 players be either suspended, expulsed, or lose their scholarships.

Kahler was just following the recommendations of the Title IX investigation.

In reality, this will hurt recruiting, these 10 players will likely all leave the school. If I were Claeys, I’d step down after the bowl game. His next two seasons are going to be poor, lucky to win 5 games in the next 2 years. If I were him, I’d step down, look for a job based on an 8-5 Big Ten season and either take a 1 step lower or lateral head coaching position. If he waits out the 2 years, he’ll be lucky to ever head coach again.

I’ve also heard some rumblings of issues of this case that have yet to come to the public eye. I won’t spread them here but this one could haunt the U the way the Mitch Lee case did.

Gopher football is going back into the non-bowl bottom half of the Big Ten for some time.

But if that’s the punishment for treating women the way they did, then the punishment is just. There’s no place for that kind of treatment of women.

ET

I agree however missing a bowl is nearly impossible these days. Claeys can stay or go it won’t matter to me. If he gets fired I’m sure the U will give him a huge parting gift in terms of $$$. Short of being a Brewster they hand out money over there like they print it.

The issue should not be about a coaches job or the twitter writings of said coach or even a boycot of a stupid bowl game.

The issue is about the culture of the football program that does not take sexual assualt seriously.

“Title IX requires the school to take reasonable steps to prevent future sexual [violence] and harassment after receiving a complaint, even when the complaining student chooses not to pursue an investigation.
In 20014 the U implemented a so-called “Yes means Yes” policy, that says sex is OK only if those involved offer “informed, freely and affirmatively communicated willingness to participate in sexual activity that is expressed by clear and unambiguous words or actions.” Without that, the activity falls under the U’s definition of sexual assault.
Aparently this band-aid of a policy was not effective.

This was a result of another sexual assault- harrassment scandle by the football team in 2014 under Coach Kill.

Did you guys read the 80 page report that they released?… seems to me the “gophers brothers” changed their stance very quickly once that was released. Seems their “brothers” didnt exactly tell the team all the details.

The report is very graphic and disturbing. Makes me embarrased to have ever been apart of that program.

Mean while im getting emails Left and Right over the weekend from alumni groups and former player groups asking me for my support, and how important it is for “gopher brothers” to stick together during hard times. How can you even stick up for any of this?

Alum, boosters, players, recruits…everyone is heading for the hills…..
and why wouldnt you..

http://kstp.com/sports/university-of-minnesota-eoaa-investigative-report-gophers-football-players/4347059/

warning… very graphic details.. I had to stop after about page 20.

I also noticed that the Gophers team that was sticking together seemed to change their tune very quickly once the report was actually referenced. I’m glad that they read it and it changed their minds, but overall I think they look very bad after this because they offered all kinds of support and it basically looks like they had very little facts and once they did, they changed their minds in a hurry.

What a bunch of pigs!! I hope they all rot in hell

What a mess. Makes you long for the good old days of a Clem-Haskins-style scandal that “only” included massive academic cheating. Ah, the good old days.

Don’t worry. All this will be solved with the new “Athlete’s Village”.

Grouse

And what about this dink that filed lawsuits on behalf of the suspended players….seems naming them doesn’t sit right with him or them. Isn’t this scenario sort of like the idiots getting shot by the police for breaking the law? Damn, if you don’t want your name involved in a sexual scandal don’t be a part of one. Pretty simple and should be very simple for a college student….unless of course you’re only there for the football. And parties.

No pity on those 10 dinks.

Tom Sawvell wrote:

And what about this dink that filed lawsuits on behalf of the suspended players….seems naming them doesn’t sit right with him or them. Isn’t this scenario sort of like the idiots getting shot by the police for breaking the law? Damn, if you don’t want your name involved in a sexual scandal don’t be a part of one. Pretty simple and should be very simple for a college student….unless of course you’re only there for the football. And parties.

No pity on those 10 dinks.

I think a lot of people have egg on their face now that the 80 page report is out. It was pretty ridiculous to name the players like they did without disclosing or people knowing what transpired especially when it was said that several of the players were not even there that night. Mistaken identity?
IDK, I read about 15 pages of that report and it was obviously disgusting to read and if those events happened like described, then I have no sympathy for anyone involved. I just hope they have all the right individuals her participated and have testimony from them as well and not just taking the victim’s word for it.
It makes me sick to think that people would think something like this is OK AND the fact that a “recruit” was involved? Its possible he wasn’t even 18!?
Antoine Winfield even said his son would be transferring unless Kaler and Coyle were gone. Well, that’s a lot like all these people threatening to move to Canada if XYZ wins the election.

Winfield was a moron when he was playing for the Vikings. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree…

After the last mess with Noorwood Teauge the UM “Athletics Director” and the university still has no clue on how to handle this abuse?
They never should have reinstated the original four.
I think the university would be to embarrassed to even attend the bowl game,can you imagine the great press they will get out of this Fiasco.
They should treat this one as the last straw, all involved should lose their jobs over this one.

All goes back to my original complaint that the communication to the players (not involved) was poor. Had they received communication from the admin and coaches on what steps they had followed to get to this point and that “not everything is as it seems”, we could have avoided the boycott.

Now Claeys is talking about due process. From everything I’ve read, those involved have had due process afforded to them.

If you communicate well, the boycott portion of this thing could have been avoided.

ET

I agree, disgusting. However, there is nothing in the report that at one time or another the President elect has not bragged about doing himself.

Note: I am not just talking about the incident where he bragged about sexual assault to Billy Bush. I am also referencing 30+ years of being a regular guest on the Howard Stern show where he told of his “experiences”

I hope the board of regents will look at the whole scope of the mens’ athletic program from top to bottom.
There is an inherent arrogance in the program,it allows a sense of intolerance when the athletes believe that because they have been granted a scholarship, they have perceived rights above other students.

Gramps always said;
When the hen house needs to be cleaned out, you clean all the shite out,not just where you have to walk.

Watch “The Hunting Ground” on netflix. UM football program should be disbanded.

ptc wrote:

I agree, disgusting. However, there is nothing in the report that at one time or another the President elect has not bragged about doing himself.

Note: I am not just talking about the incident where he bragged about sexual assault to Billy Bush. I am also referencing 30+ years of being a regular guest on the Howard Stern show where he told of his “experiences”

I thought you meant past President Billy Clinton.. my bad.

Probably should have listened to more or did a lil follow up before making a post like this

Why? Whether he was fired or not makes no difference in whats going on over there. Hiding from it or burying it doesn’t do any good at all.

Your post was about him being fired, no he has not, at least not yet

Well, I can’t edit the subject line so I guess we either can continue the discussion, get it locked or let it dry up on it’s own.

For the record, I did ask if anyone else had heard about it. I didn’t bring up the allegations or Claeys involvement.

Just heard the tail end of a conversation on KFAN that Claeys had been fired. Anybody else hear that?

Thank goodness we’re back to the original post and hopefully past the political talk….

Glen Mason and AP Guy John somelonglastname on Bumper to Bumper weighing in on the coaching situation today. A fair amount of folks think Claeys will be fired. I guess my gut feeling is, what would they be waiting for then? To coach the team through a generally meaningless bowl? I mean aside from the CFP they’re all mostly meaningless, but if they wanted to fire him why wait? I’m open to opposing views because I literally can’t figure out why they’d wait.

They are waiting to see which way the wind is blowing. Attendence is down, interest in the team is low. Right now the coach is cheap. Nobody else with D-1 expierence would touch this mess. Most of the players associated with this mess will transfer out of here as soon as they can or get run out of the program.

Really, why would anybody want this job?