Time for a new or different truck.

  • robby
    Quad Cities
    Posts: 2829
    #1649242

    My girl is rusting out. 185k+ miles, never slept indoors. Its getting time to replace her. I think shes the 3rd or 4th Chevy Silverado Z71 in a row. Not sure what I want but thinking about a diesel. I do not need a 3/4 ton. Anyone out there have a Ford or Dodge 1/2 ton diesel 4×4? Even a Chevy Colorado diesel might could work. If you have something along these lines please share your thoughts and observations. I also consider another gasoline truck but for simplicity sake lets keep this conversation to diesels. Next mayby 5.3liter vs EcoBoost. Thanks.

    mwal
    Rosemount,MN
    Posts: 1050
    #1649245

    I believe Dodge makes the only 1/2 ton Diesel . I had a Ford 7.3 Diesel for 14 year 260K miles. I do not know anyone with the 1/2 ton Dodge.

    Mwal

    Joe Scegura
    Alexandria MN
    Posts: 2758
    #1649248

    A few good friends of mine have newer diesels. They all told me if you don’t need the power don’t get one. They ride like a tank compared to a half ton and the diesel smell is horrible.

    I’d personally rather run a Jiffy auger in my fish house while I sleep than be down wind of a diesel pick up. Man, the smell is horrible but if you need the power they sure are sweet for pulling.

    You mentioned not needing a 3/4ton so why do you want a diesel if I may ask?

    Brad Dostal
    Posts: 156
    #1649252

    I have a Ram 1500 ecodiesel and so far I love it. It gets great fuel economy and can pull anything that I need it to. The ride is excellent also. I have not had it over a winter yet though.

    realtreeap10
    Over there
    Posts: 249
    #1649254

    Ford doesn’t have a 1/2ton diesel. Dodge eco-diesel have been around for awhile, a few run into the timing gear problem that causes the motor to lock up and be replaced. Nissan does have the new v8 cummins Titan, haven’t heard much on them yet, I can say I prefer the looks of other trucks over the Titan but that’s more personal preference. Colorado should be nice but I haven’t heard much on those, lots of people are interested in them though.

    https://www.youtube.com/user/tflcar

    These guys do some general things with most of the trucks and have fairly decent reviews they put out.

    candofish
    Turtle Lake wi
    Posts: 113
    #1649255

    I purchased a 2016 Ram Ecodiesel in August and have 4100 miles on it. I am averaging 20 miles to the gallon. This includes about 1100 miles of towing a 6000 lb. 620 Ranger and 3000 miles without. The highest mpg I got was 28. It has enough power to pull my boat and rides extremely well. I previously had a GMC Duramax 3/4 ton. The power is a lot less, but getting 7 more miles to the gallon makes me very happy.

    brian schultz
    Minot, ND
    Posts: 158
    #1649258

    I know two people with the Nissan Titan. They both like them.

    onestout
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 2698
    #1649267

    Fords 1/2 ton diesel won’t be out until 2018 so not a lot of info out on that yet.

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10657
    #1649275

    A few good friends of mine have newer diesels. They all told me if you don’t need the power don’t get one. They ride like a tank compared to a half ton and the diesel smell is horrible.

    I’d personally rather run a Jiffy auger in my fish house while I sleep than be down wind of a diesel pick up. Man, the smell is horrible but if you need the power they sure are sweet for pulling.

    You mentioned not needing a 3/4ton so why do you want a diesel if I may ask?

    Smell? Not a new diesel that uses DEF

    guthook1
    Lake Nebagamon Wisconsin
    Posts: 409
    #1649281

    Sorry, currently have a 1 ton Dodge Diesel, previously had a couple of 3/4 ton Dodge diesel units – they were manual shifters, the current one is an automatic. When people ask why a Dodge Diesel…I reply that I bought the Cummins diesel….the truck just came with it.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1649282

    Ford is making a 1/2 diesel in the near future. I’m sure it’ll be a $65k truck. Probably not worth the extra $$ because motor will likely outlast the truck.

    Let me know when you want to talk ecoboost. I have a ’15 f150 with 3.5 ecoboost and 3.55 rear. I pull a 20′ glass boat and absolutely love it. More power than you’ll ever need and is so much fun to drive.

    mojogunter
    Posts: 3318
    #1649283

    My Cummins didn’t get good mileage until I had 25k miles on it. When I first got it, it averaged about 12 miles to the gallon around town and 14 hwy by the time I got to 25k Highway was upto 22mpg as long as I stayed below 75mph.

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10657
    #1649287

    Sorry, currently have a 1 ton Dodge Diesel, previously had a couple of 3/4 ton Dodge diesel units – they were manual shifters, the current one is an automatic. When people ask why a Dodge Diesel…I reply that I bought the Cummins diesel….the truck just came with it.

    waytogo

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16814
    #1649295

    I have a 3/4 ton diesel it’s a 2014 with 116,000 miles. I use it to tow. If you aren’t towing either often or heavy loads you are wasting your money on a diesel. Todays gas motors will get 250,000 to 300,000 miles if you maintain them. They will cost less, cost less to maintain and get as good of milage.

    BTW, there is no smell with the DEF system, although it does suck when you have to buy fluid. Just something wrong with paying so much for a diesel and then having to spend additional money of the DEF.

    A few years ago I read article that said the the exhaust coming out of a semi in California would be cleaner then the air going in. If true thats pretty impressive.

    Dusty Gesinger
    Minnetrista, Minnesota
    Posts: 2417
    #1649320

    I would consider the Nissan, but probably get a ford with the eco boost and consider a ford 1/2 ton diesel when they come out.

    jake47
    WI
    Posts: 602
    #1649332

    Ford is making a 1/2 diesel in the near future. I’m sure it’ll be a $65k truck. Probably not worth the extra $$ because motor will likely outlast the truck.

    Let me know when you want to talk ecoboost. I have a ’15 f150 with 3.5 ecoboost and 3.55 rear. I pull a 20′ glass boat and absolutely love it. More power than you’ll ever need and is so much fun to drive.

    I would be curious to hear your thoughts on the 3.5 ecoboost. How hard do you have to push it unloaded before the turbo kicks in and fuel economy drops. I’m considering both the ecoboost and the ecodiesel. It will primarily be used for highway commuting but needs to have the power to pull a skidloader and possibly a trailer of hay. I think either will work for what I need, so now I’m just looking to hear what others think.

    John Schultz
    Inactive
    Portage, WI
    Posts: 3309
    #1649334

    I’m 97000 into a 2013 F150 with the ecoboost 3.5 engine. I pull a 20.5′ glass boat often, and love it for towing. Average MPG all around is about 18, and highway mileage is about 21 over 70 and 23 at 65 or less. You don’t have to push it very hard for the turbo to kick in. I can hear it whine under normal acceleration, or at least my version of normal. I’ve never been known to be a patient driver.

    jake47
    WI
    Posts: 602
    #1649335

    Thanks for the info John. Do you know what rear end you have? I’m probably going to go with the 3.92 for max towing although fuel economy will suffer a bit.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1649346

    The reason why the ecoboost is so fun to drive is because the turbo kicks in very early. If I remember right max torque is below 3000 rpm and something like 80% torque is around 2600 rpm. It also makes it enjoyable to tow.

    Pulling up hills and highways my truck almost never downshifts.

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13661
    #1649349

    I drive more miles than “average”, for whatever that is supposed to be compared to. 40K+ miles a year on my primary vehicle plus my econo cars. I’ve owned gasoline engines and they all seem to puke by 260-290K miles.

    I switched to diesel in ’01 and never looked back. But, that is what works for me. My 01 GMC has 539,000 and is still rock solid in the drive train. My 03 GMC has 255,000 miles, and our 04 Chevy has 190,000 miles. All our 6.6L Diesels trucks have had the same issues. Pump rub in the transfer case and injectors are not cheap. Otherwise, rock solid machines that have provided very reliable service for us for a number of years and still going.

    Like you, my trucks are outside and subject to this God Forsaken BS salt that the state thinks they need to apply by the ton per mile of road. Its sad that my 01 is rusted through and trickling down the driveway. Wont be long and it will look like the flintsone mobile. I generally keep a few hundred pounds in the rear box to soften the ride. With that, its a very smooth ride and I wouldn’t trade it for a car whewn making the hike from WI to Wyoming or Colorado and back.
    One other thing we changed on all our trucks. They all came factory with 245 tires and those were changed to 265’s. Speedometer is off about 3 @ 70MPH.

    Most of my family and friends in Colorado & Wyoming own Dodge EXT cab/long beds with the larger Cummins. They all leak a little oil around the oil pan and have had transfer case work done. They are all manual trans so of coarse the clutch gets done. Most of these are ’01 to 2010’s and range from 400K to 100K in milage. They swear by them and I see their reliability and agree.

    As for Ford, I’ve owned two gas engines and a couple of family members have had their Power Stroke Diesels. I’ve made two B.A.M.’s in buying them, and it was two very happy days as I watched the new owners drive them away. My first new Ford truck was a lemon from day one. Vacumm leaks, gas in the oil, trans burnt up, rear end chewed up gears, emission failures and the list continued. My second was continually plagued with little crap. Sensors, more sensors, and everything electrical seemed to fail in that truck. The only reliability I counted on was something to fail next. Family hasn’t had too much luck with the Ford Diesels either. Mileage sucked, and constant problems. Pretty bad that whenever a vacation came around for them, they wanted to use one of my trucks so that they didn’t have to worry about getting stranded. FUNNY!!!!

    Diesel comes at a premium price. No way to put lipstick on that pig. Fuel costs more and the obvious up-cost in purchase price. Also, cost of ownership is more. I run Lucas fuel lubricant in most of my fill ups. I alternate between Rotella in the summer and Delvac synthetic in the winter for oil changes (10 Qts at a time), Allison screw on filters a couple times a year. I also changed out the transmission fluid to synthetic Tran Synd in tranny and transfer case – (Every other year I drain about 2 gallons and replace @ $38.00/gal). Plus the water separator/fuel filter I change at each oil change at $30+/filter.

    One other down fall when owning a diesel that many don’t look at or they try to cheat the system on is Registration/Plate costs. I see so many other Chevy/GMCs with light truck “B” plates. Very few state troopers here in WI enforce the weight law on light trucks. BUT the fact is many are over their plate limit. The vehicle GVW is near 9,000 lbs and B is up to 8,000lbs. So if you have a GVW of 8600 lbs plus 500lbs of cargo in it, you 9100 lbs or 1,100 lbs over your plate limit. I haven’t read the penalty, but I was told that if your scaled, you pay a PER POUND fine for your overage

    Kyhl
    Savage
    Posts: 749
    #1649353

    Thanks for the info John. Do you know what rear end you have? I’m probably going to go with the 3.92 for max towing although fuel economy will suffer a bit.

    I don’t know if Ford changed their options but 3.55 was as steep a gear as you could get in 2015 with the Ecoboost. I was concerned about that but bought anyway. I have the 2015 max tow Ecoboost with 3.55 and it is more than enough to casually pull my 18′ tin boat down the road at 75mph.

    John Schultz
    Inactive
    Portage, WI
    Posts: 3309
    #1649394

    Thanks for the info John. Do you know what rear end you have?

    3.55

    TMF89
    Posts: 338
    #1649395

    Another vote for Ram’s EcoDiesel. I have a 2014 that I’ve put about 10k miles on, and love it so far. 27-30mpg at 70mph, and Getting 18-20mpg pulling the boat at the same speed is pretty awesome. On my Devil’s Lake trip this year, we could have made it with one stop for gas. I really like the Ram as well, regardless of the engine. You generally get more for your money with them, since they’re third dog in the race. They have to try a little harder to persuade the Ford/Chevy guys to make the jump! I agree with everyone else on the 3/4 and 1 tons, if you’re not hauling 8000lb+ trailers, the drop in ride quality outweighs the benefits of a larger truck. Having said that they’re getting better, with Ram you do have the air-ride suspension that helps a bit. Everything I’ve heard on the Titan XDs can basically be boiled down to “ride quality of a 3/4 ton, without the capability”. It definitely isn’t living up to the hype of a truck with a 5.0 V8 Cummins. Having said all this, I do need to add the disclaimer that I may or may not work at a local Ram dealer, having said that I’d love to answer any ?s you have on them if you want to drop me a PM.

    john23
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 2582
    #1649405

    I’m 97000 into a 2013 F150 with the ecoboost 3.5 engine. I pull a 20.5′ glass boat often, and love it for towing. Average MPG all around is about 18, and highway mileage is about 21 over 70 and 23 at 65 or less. You don’t have to push it very hard for the turbo to kick in. I can hear it whine under normal acceleration, or at least my version of normal. I’ve never been known to be a patient driver.

    I had a 2010 and a 2013 F-150 ecobooost (3.5L) and loved them both. My experience was identical to the quote above.

    I just swapped out the 2013 for a 2016 ecoboost, but this time I got the newer 2.7L. The 2.7 tows just fine and feels maybe more sporty but less torquey than the 3.5. I get 1-1.5 MPG better gas mileage with the 2.7 vs. the 3.5 so far (engine not fully broken in) without a trailer, but my gas mileage towing the boat was 1-1.5 MPG worse with the 2.7 (probably those turbos). Again, the engine only has 900 miles on it so it’s not broken in. I experienced a creep up to a 5-10% improvement on MPG as the 3.5 ecoboosts got broken in.

    I miss the 3.5 a little even though the 2.7 makes more sense for me (because it’s my daily driver and even a big glass boat is well under the towing limits). It’s just that man, the 3.5 trucks were fun to drive!

    robby
    Quad Cities
    Posts: 2829
    #1649416

    Thnx all. We do love truck talk around here.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1649420

    I had a 2010 and a 2013 F-150 ecobooost (3.5L) and loved them both.

    Interesting. I didn’t know there was an ecoboost option in 2010. I bought a 2010 new in April 2010 and that wasn’t an option at that time.

    weedis
    Sauk Rapids, MN
    Posts: 1436
    #1649731

    They are all junk. You just need to decide what brand you are going to support for the next 200k miles. Non are built to last and that is just the way it is.

    gixxer01
    Avon, MN
    Posts: 639
    #1649737

    Maybe I missed it, but has anyone mentioned GMs new 2.8L Duramax available in the Colorado/Canyon. Capable of towing 7,600lbs. 182HP and 360ft/lbs.

    And I see it in the OP….

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #1649741

    They are all junk. You just need to decide what brand you are going to support for the next 200k miles. Non are built to last and that is just the way it is.

    Based on what? Remember when 100k meant death for any vehicle?

    Keep in mind that the automakers don’t want a vehicle to last forever. Why would they? How do you get a repeat customer if they never have to buy one again?

    john23
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 2582
    #1649748

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>john23 wrote:</div>
    I had a 2010 and a 2013 F-150 ecobooost (3.5L) and loved them both.

    Interesting. I didn’t know there was an ecoboost option in 2010. I bought a 2010 new in April 2010 and that wasn’t an option at that time.

    On second thought it might have been a 2011. It was a three year lease but I turned it in a couple months early on the 2013. I can’t recall for sure. I believe it was the first year they offered it because they gave me a bonus for getting the ecoboost on that first go-round.

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