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munchy wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Bearcat89 wrote:</div>
No, I just expect our taxes to be used in a rational way that benefits the American people.

Exactly 1000000%!!!

If you think this will ever happen, than as Glenn says I have some farmlamd in the everglades.

As long as someone is spending someone else’s money there will always be the drunkin sailor syndrome.
It just human nature.

CaptainMusky wrote:

On the bold, but it can be. We have seen what happened on social media the last many years with certain topics, people, etc all being suppressed so if certainly can be manipulated.
100% we need to identify all cases of fraud and yes, it will be all sides, but only one is currently whining about it.
If an NGO is complaining about not getting government funding then, get this, they are NOT an NGO.

Anything can be, but if it’s just mapping out transactions and posting everything to the internet it’s a very high likelihood it can’t ignore things. Yes there are bad actors that can remove stuff but this is a team of DC outsiders that shouldn’t have any DC/government influence or know what to look for/hide/slow walk in order to hide. That is what made DC work in the past, these bureaucrats knew exactly what to do when stuff hit their desk in order to hide things.

stjoeguy wrote:

I mean, we all voted for him, right?

Did you not see Musk on the campaign trail everywhere talking about DOGE? Yes, we literally voted for this and it’s going WAY better than even I could have hoped. And it’s shockingly transparent, you can check DOGE Twitter or their website for basically by the minute updates: https://dogegov.com/

Johnny wrote:

I absolutely love the cutting of wasteful spending. I’m in favor of cutting excessive spending in an effort to balance the budget and get rid of this spending deficit.

100% agreed, and I anticipate this will be the primary purpose/goal, I certainly don’t anticipate any tax cuts as a direct result just improvement on the deficit and hopefully the debt longer term.

Johnny wrote:

The part that scares me is how unqualified Elon and his minions are for this. He’s clearly an idea guy and not a numbers guy.

Could not disagree more. Elon is exactly who is needed and is most qualified for this. Heck he had a trial run at Twitter, cutting massive amounts of overhead immediately, rebranding and opening up for free speech at a great short term cost to himself (although I’d bet the long run will payoff in hundreds billions on his $44B investment). The reason this is all happening so quickly is due to AI being able to do the work of hundreds of humans in a fraction of the time, again all thanks to Musk and his minions expertise as you put it. If the GAO or any other govt watchdog group was capable of it, why haven’t they done it? Doubt the GAO has many coders…

Eelpoutguy wrote:

As long as someone is spending someone else’s money there will always be the drunkin sailor syndrome.
It just human nature.

Yes there will always be some, but If you allow a free-for-all you get a free-for-all. This is a management problem however and that can be reduced.

But allowing money to swap hands at the blink of an eye and doing it 100 times to hide a transaction is one of the biggest issues we are seeing right now.

gim wrote:

Clinton conducted the largest purge of the federal budget in the modern era during his 8 years in office in the 90’s. But he did it the correct, legal way. Almost none of it ended up in court and when he was done, there was a budget surplus for 3 years afterwards. That’s the route to take. Not this one, just my opinion.

When all these actions end up in court (which they are), it costs us, the taxpayers money. Lawyers and court fees are very expensive.

Agreed. Trump ruling by executive decree is a losing approach. He loses nearly every time he he ends up in court, be it election challenges, executive order challenges or civil suits. Getting Congress aligned with his agenda is a troublesome approach but it is the legal and appropriate way to do business.

When will NASA funding be reduced and subsequent contracts with SpaceX be cut?

Listening to Rogan this past week and I think I heard the number of NGOs is over 50,000 and each is siphoning money from the taxpayer.

I want to hear and see criminal charges as you know there huge kickbacks occurring.

Brad Dimond wrote:

Agreed. Trump ruling by executive decree is a losing approach. He loses nearly every time he he ends up in court, be it election challenges, executive order challenges or civil suits. Getting Congress aligned with his agenda is a troublesome approach but it is the legal and appropriate way to do business.

Thanks, that’s all I’m trying to say here.

What’s gonna happen when people stop receiving social security checks, veterans can’t get health care, there’s flight delays at airports, food isn’t being inspected, and national parks are over run with trash?

There are future consequences of just taking an axe to all this that will be coming. A scalpel is the tool you need instead.

munchy wrote:

Anything can be, but if it’s just mapping out transactions and posting everything to the internet it’s a very high likelihood it can’t ignore things. Yes there are bad actors that can remove stuff but this is a team of DC outsiders that shouldn’t have any DC/government influence or know what to look for/hide/slow walk in order to hide. That is what made DC work in the past, these bureaucrats knew exactly what to do when stuff hit their desk in order to hide things.

True, my point was just that a computer does what a human tells it to do. Now with AI things change a bit because they are learning on their own, but time will tell how accurate it is.

Brad Dimond wrote:

Agreed. Trump ruling by executive decree is a losing approach. He loses nearly every time he he ends up in court, be it election challenges, executive order challenges or civil suits. Getting Congress aligned with his agenda is a troublesome approach but it is the legal and appropriate way to do business.

And before you know it you’ve spent 4 years and $100million on lawyers, investigations, slow walks, and whatever else to cut a program that was wasting $25million. That is part of the corruption that makes Washington work. Everyone is getting a piece of the pie.

It’s time to be adults, pull the bandaid off and let the pieces fall where they fall. If half of Washington is out of a job by the end of this – so be it.

Take a look at the real estate around Washington, there is a reason it has some of the highest home prices in the nation. And it’s not because the IRS and Dept of education is a good paying job.

BigWerm wrote:

100% agreed, and I anticipate this will be the primary purpose/goal, I certainly don’t anticipate any tax cuts as a direct result just improvement on the deficit and hopefully the debt longer term.

does your stance on this change if there ends up being big tax cuts handed out to the ultra wealthy after all this is said and done?

blank wrote:

When will NASA funding be reduced and subsequent contracts with SpaceX be cut?

great question. Musk has billions in contracts with the federal government. Will any of those be trimmed? I’d bet not. Anyone want to take the other side of that wager?

We want to talk about corruption and wasteful spending, it needs to be done on both sides of the aisle so to speak. Reading up on Elon’s conflicts of interest is quite alarming and eye opening.

What’s the wager?

Acting NASA chief says DOGE to review space agency spending as hundreds take buyout

Johnny wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>blank wrote:</div>
When will NASA funding be reduced and subsequent contracts with SpaceX be cut?

great question. Musk has billions in contracts with the federal government. Will any of those be trimmed? I’d bet not. Anyone want to take the other side of that wager?

We want to talk about corruption and wasteful spending, it needs to be done on both sides of the aisle so to speak. Reading up on Elon’s conflicts of interest is quite alarming and eye opening.

If there is waste, cut it. But not everything is a wasteful program. Spacex has some of the smallest contracts in that part government. Why? Because Elon looks for waste in every single part of his businesses and removes it. Why do you think it only costs millions to send a Spacex rocket to space but billions to send a NASA rocket to space?

Johnny wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>blank wrote:</div>
When will NASA funding be reduced and subsequent contracts with SpaceX be cut?

great question. Musk has billions in contracts with the federal government. Will any of those be trimmed? I’d bet not. Anyone want to take the other side of that wager?

We want to talk about corruption and wasteful spending, it needs to be done on both sides of the aisle so to speak. Reading up on Elon’s conflicts of interest is quite alarming and eye opening.

And that conflict of interest creates a swamp just like everyone else says they hate.

munchy wrote:

e is waste, cut it. But not everything is a wasteful program. Spacex has some of the smallest contracts in government. Why? Because Elon looks for waste in every single part of his businesses and removes it. Why do you think it only costs millions to send a Space

Elon has more than $20B in contracts with NASA, not small potatoes.

Johnny wrote:

does your stance on this change if there ends up being big tax cuts handed out to the ultra wealthy after all this is said and done?

No. I will always celebrate eliminating waste and fraud. And judge any tax cuts on their own merit, or lack thereof.

Brad Dimond wrote:

Elon has more than $20B in contracts with NASA, not small potatoes.

And he had a massive Tesla Govt contract as well….all from the previous administration. Watch the left will now oppose EV’s (Tesla’s at least), space exploration and free speech/X (oh wait that ship already sailed).

glenn57 wrote:

i personally havent decided or have a real opinion yet on the chaos in DC. some of it is really good…….some is out landish.

the only thing i know is if you guys think your gonna actually see lower taxes and more $$ coming your way because of this……..i got good farmland in the everglades to sell ya!!!!!!

I don’t think anyone is naive enough to believe you will be getting $$ coming your way, when we are in debt like $39T. It’s about getting our national debt down and end the wasteful spending.

It’s time to figure out how those in Congress can become multimillionaires on a yearly salary of $174K. Must be magic!!! Now you see why they go into politics and stay forever.

Brad Dimond wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>munchy wrote:</div>
e is waste, cut it. But not everything is a wasteful program. Spacex has some of the smallest contracts in government. Why? Because Elon looks for waste in every single part of his businesses and removes it. Why do you think it only costs millions to send a Space

Elon has more than $20B in contracts with NASA, not small potatoes.

And how many missions to space has Elon done for the government compared to everyone else? That’s the point. 1 mission costing 5 billion or 1000 missions costing 20 billion. What’s a better ROI?

I just ignore anybody denying the positive direction things are finally going including the full replacement of the previous management staff.

suzuki wrote:

I just ignore anybody denying the positive direction things are finally going including the full replacement of the previous management staff.

The same way those same people ignored the obvious negative direction our previous ’Houseplant in Chief’ had us going.

Johnny wrote:

The part that scares me is how unqualified Elon and his minions are for this. He’s clearly an idea guy and not a numbers guy.

The dude has launched rockets into space, not to mention having a robotic arm catch them when they return. Invented the most successful electric car to date. Bought twitter in an attempt to save free speech. I’m sure he’s got a few “numbers guys” working with him. I think calling him unqualified is laughable. Reminds me of this.

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) slammed tech billionaire and Department of Government Efficiency (DOGE) head Elon Musk as “one of the most unintelligent billionaires” she has ever met.

source “The Hill”

any wagers…….this gets locked before 6 pm!!!!!!

glenn57 wrote:

any wagers…….this gets locked before 6 pm!!!!!!