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hl&sinker wrote:

Joe seqaguia FALSE MAN. I would like to see your data on genneics and life span and growth spans.
I believe another blowmouth is at had.

Talk about not knowing what one is talking about Joe xxxxx.
You have got some reading ahead of you.

You make me laugh then dissapointed.

Wow! Apparently my facts hurt your feelings… I’ll take an appolgy at any time.

My source is multiple studies by the State of South Dakota University. See attached picture…

Oh, I also fact checked my growth rates. The few fish that do reach 9-10″ are 8-9 yrs old.

At least I’m proud to use my actual name Mr.sinks-low.

Some people don’t like to hear the truth.

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Joe Scegura wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Bass Pundit wrote:</div>
One nice thing about fish is they are a renewable resource. If a lake gets wrecked due to a winter kill or over fishing from humans. All it takes is maybe a little stocking and a couple of years and the fishing can be great again.

False! Not to sound rude but this has to be one of the most ignorant posts I have ever read.

You need a lake with big gills to grow big gills. Unless you are aware of a stocking program for 9″-10″ gills a lake will NEVER come back if the majority of the big gills are taken out. Gills are different from most species that way. A male sunfish will sexually mature at 6″ if they are the biggest gill around.

On the other hand <strong class=”ido-tag-strong”>crappie or <strong class=”ido-tag-strong”>walleye need food and time and they will come back. Our kids will never see state wide 9″ gills ever. Do some reading on this topic before it’s too late.

FYI it takes more like 10yrs to grow a big gill.. not a couple.

I wasn’t thinking about sunfish. Frankly, I don’t give them much thought as they are way down on my preferred species to catch list. But it seems to me genetics is something stocking could help fix. To bad their isn’t a Muskie Forever type organization to look out for their best interests.

I think lakes rarely recover. Once man has had his hand in harvesting fish from a lake, usually it’s toast to varying degrees. Man is the only predator who selectively harvests the biggest fish. This is most apparent with panfish who a relatively small to begin with compared to other gamefish.

Toast is a bit over the top. Let’s just say tainted. And every lakes ecosystem is as unique as a snowflake, so it’s really tough to apply generalities.

Pug brings up some often over-looked.

Every lake or river has its own unique character and needs, so a study and conclusions of a special waters fish pretty much pertain to only that specific water. Beyond that water the study offers only generalities.

Another point regards man’s decimating a specific water and using stocking to bring it back. The strongest genetics are going to be those which we found naturally in the water. Stocking replacement fish is like having an accident with your Cadillac and having the insurance company replace it with a Volkswagon. You will not get the same performance from the replacements.

Limit lowering, size slots, and changing seasons is about all the dnr can do to help prevent waters from being ruined by angler practices. Changing those practices starts at an individual level, but how do you change the way hoarding hogs think?

If things get to pressured, the waters i mean,No night fishing, set the amount of people that fish a lake at one time, or close a lake down period. It happens out in california from what i have read. Yes its a poaching thing, but it also is a to many people thing. DK.

Joe Scegura wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>hl&sinker wrote:</div>
Joe seqaguia FALSE MAN. I would like to see your data on genneics and life span and growth spans.
I believe another blowmouth is at had.

Talk about not knowing what one is talking about Joe xxxxx.
You have got some reading ahead of you.

You make me laugh then dissapointed.

Wow! Apparently my facts hurt your feelings… I’ll take an appolgy at any time.

My source is multiple studies by the State of South Dakota University. See attached picture…

Oh, I also fact checked my growth rates. The few fish that do reach 9-10″ are 8-9 yrs old.

At least I’m proud to use my actual name Mr.sinks-low.

Some people don’t like to hear the truth.

Yes, that was over the top apologies sent.

And cut! That’s a wrap.

Good call Pug.

Tom Sawvell wrote:

Another point regards man’s decimating a specific water and using stocking to bring it back. The strongest genetics are going to be those which we found naturally in the water.

This statement could be true or false depending upon the genetics that exist in a specific lake and the genetics being introduced. Introducing new and different fish could be a negative, positive, or make no impact at all.

Bass Pundit….

I understand what you are saying and hope you don’t think I am arguing.

I feel that any fish found naturally in any water has the genetics that allows it to exist in the first place. If the fish show that they can be predisposed to being and recreating LARGE fish, then I think the genetics are superior for that specific water. Unless mature, superior members of those specific fish are captured to use as breeding stock, stocking fish of a different genetic stock will simply act to dilute any genetic superiority from the native fish that remain. Its always better to protect that which naturally occurs rather than try to bring back depleted stocks with imported fish strains.

Man always says it has nature in mind when they step in to add or supplement. I say its $$$ at the heart of any of those statements. Without at least something to catch the local businesses attached to that water would suffer when anglers use more distant water to scratch their fishing itch. And to fit in with one of your earlier comments about having a muskie group having a guardian angel, our local lake was stocked with muskies by dnr for a number of years and when that program ended a local chapter of a muskie club bought and stocked even more muskies with the dnr’s blessing. The muskies haven’t hurt the lake in the least, but then too the muskies seem to prefer the river below a dam on the lake and migrate to that water and won’t stay in the lake. They haven’t hurt the river either. The muskies were stocked on the off chance that a new fishery would be created and draw more muskie anglers to the area….$$$$.

Grouse,

The log idea would work…Smart. It would keep the hogs from taking limits day after day on the ice. Yep just like tagging a deer – can work.

Turk

Grouse,

The log idea would work…Smart. It would keep the hogs from taking limits day after day on the ice. Yep just like tagging a deer – can work.

Turk

Turk supports your idea 200%.

Or he just hit submit twice…

This was my first year of ice fishing, and I hit the lakes extremely hard from mid-January until ice-out because I’m done with school now and work only three-four days a week (12-Hr shifts).

After long being a CRP bass angler, I was really surprised to witness the horrific beating that these fish took over the course of the season, and it wasn’t even a good season! It seemed like an entirely different culture of people out there fishing. These weren’t the ‘sportsman’ that I’ve been fishing alongside my entire life; these were straight-up ‘meat hunters’, mostly retiree-aged, that would keep every fish they caught that had even a chip of meat on it.

I can’t recall seeing a single keeper-sized fish released the entire season. It made me sick. I tossed many back into the hole, and got some dirty looks as a result.

Just recently, during the first week of March, I fished alongside the same group of older gentlemen nearly every morning because I knew ice-out was coming and my work schedule allowed me to do so. I must have caught 400 keeper-sized crappies and bluegills over that week — easily the best week of the season — and everyone else was doing the same. I released most of them; in fact, I had my first fish fry of 2015-16 about two hours ago.

However, some of these guys were taking 30 fish every day (20 bluegills and 10 crappies). The wardens were nowhere to be seen, and I have no faith in these tip-lines nor do I want to see my 8 tires slashed at a boat landing some summer evening.

I never even had to show my license once this season. I think I last did it in 2013. There is no enforcement to be had, period! It’s a free-for-all. Get ’em while you can!

I may be wrong on this but MO on this is that ice fisherman in general are more of a meat hunter than summer fishermen. Again I don’t care if you take a limit every time you hit the ice or water as LONG as you follow the possession limit that law allows. The fishermen that takes more than his daily limit you can bet he has a freezer full and over his possession limit. This isn’t just a MN problem it happens in every state that has limits.

Bass Thumb wrote:

The wardens were nowhere to be seen, and I have no faith in these tip-lines nor do I want to see my 8 tires slashed at a boat landing some summer evening.

I never even had to show my license once this season. I think I last did it in 2013. There is no enforcement to be had, period! It’s a free-for-all. Get ’em while you can!

Joseph,

I’m responding here and not in a private message in hopes others with the above thinking will read this too.

Pointing the finger at the DNR for not having enough CO’s to cover the waters is just impossible. Then by not having faith in the TIP line leaves only one course of action…complaining on line. Although entertaining and the feeling of getting it off your chest feels good, it doesn’t do anything for more enforcement.

Although I can’t say I’ve ever used the TIP line, but I have called and text messaged COs.

I’m wondering if maybe us sportsmen that put some fish back for others to catch could go one step further and help out the under staff CO’s? After all, they have the same goals. Protect the lakes from the meat hogs so the rest of us can enjoy the fishery tomorrow.

BTW, I’m not saying to go out of our way, but if we see something or know something, I thing they could use our help.

Lastly, I’m not too concerned if you don’t get check, I can tell by your post that you’re a sportsman and won’t have over your limit for fish without a license. Glad you got out on the ice this year. I didn’t.

Speaking of CO’s. Over the years been checked at least 30 times. 28 of those times were 100% positive. The other 2 times they pulled up to check our credentials and limits and started out with TOO much attitude right away. I reported them to the WDNR and never got a reply. Apparently understaffed in the field and in Madison.:???: