There's fish other places besides the dam?

  • Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1667760

    Pool 4 Upper Mississippi River.
    In spring and fall I would guess 75% or better of the anglers head to the dam. More specifically, from the bottom of the Y to the dam.

    Why?

    Because the fish migrate to the first barrier? Likely.
    Because that’s where all the boats are? Makes sense.
    Because that where someone took them the first time on the river. Some I ‘spose.

    Yes there are a lot of fish at the dam, can’t argue that point. Ever notice when the spring reports start coming in we hear a lot of “they were all dinks”? Generally speaking most of those fish come from what the regulars call “the nursery” or the deep water scour hole. Those 8 to 12 inch fish are mostly tossed back only to be eagle and turtle food. It’s well documented by the MN DNR that saugers and walleyes seldom survive after being caught out of water over 25 feet deep. Even if they swim away nicely, they are doomed to die within three days.

    But, I’m not hear to preach. Just to add an alternative coming from a non walleye (seldom) fishing guy’s point of view.

    Yesterday I had the pleasure of tagging along with Johnny River Rat and his dad. They were fishing while I was nosing around the bottom with a Marcum LX-9. I will admit whether it’s walleyes, catfish or sturgeon I love watching fish in their world trying to figure out why fish of any species are in a certain location and not in others.

    Yesterdays trip proved to me that fishing amunst the crowds is not the best option. We were all by ourselves with the closest boat being around a river mile away from us. We heard several reports of a tough bite. There were a few boats out at night that were catching fish.

    After looking around at the dam we made the decision to fish else where is a less populated area. We dropped the camera down just down stream of the Y and found channel cats (guessing about 7 poundsish) and a Lake Sturgeon of good size. But not as many fish as we wanted to see so up came the MotorGuide and on to the next location.

    Dropped the camera into about 17 feet of water and I was disappointing in what I saw. Nothing but sand, wood and rock. Using the trolling motor we move around the area and finally I spotted a walleye, then another and another and another. The bottom was sand and in one location a thick clam bed. It seemed that most of the fish were down stream of the clam bed but it was a good marker for us to get ready for the bite.

    I should mention just before reaching the “hot spot” Old Man River Rat hooked a smaller fish while casting his blade bait. That would be the only small fish seen for the day we just didn’t know it at the time.

    For the rest of the day from Noon :30 to 3 pm I might have seen 1 walleye that was near 15″ all the rest were larger with some true tanks showing up on the camera. I consider tanks over 5 pounds.

    Generally speaking with a camera down the walleyes love being filmed but they get spooked too much to bite. I believe this was the case while we were out. You’ll be able to see the raised dorsal fin of many of the walleyes in the video I’m posting tonight.

    Between Old Man River Rat’s pitching blade bait and Johnny River Rat’s vertical Ring Worm, they brought 3 fish to the boat along with too many “curse word, missed him” comments. I on the other hand caught well more then my limit on camera. )

    My point here is to fish other areas then the “memories” or at least save one hour each time out to try another area. Yes it does help to have a camera to see if the fish you’re seeing on the graph are your targeted species or if there are any fish below at all.

    The saying 90% of the fish are in 10% of the water is proven when using a camera.

    With the air temps in the 40’s, it was a great day to be back out on the river…it’s been too long!
    Here’s a shot of Johnny River Rat with a couple of the catch. The sauger is 17.5″

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    FishBlood&RiverMud
    Prescott
    Posts: 6687
    #1667815

    Tough bite for sure. I’m surprised I didn’t see you yesterday Brian. I was nudging ice in Pepin at one point and at the dam as well.

    Friday night I only caught 1. A 23″ with a ligitimate 10″ shad in its mouth.

    Sunday I caught 4.

    My buddy fished with me all weekend and didn’t catch a fish. We put about 2.5 miles on our feet Saturday trying new spots on the Croix.

    Weather was nice.

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    hnd
    Posts: 1579
    #1667827

    i have a milk run on pool 16 that includes some 18-22′ holes that are much farther downstream than up at the dam. down here if you are fishing the dams and sylvan slough you can guarantee yourself tons of dinks with an occasional eater. down further, its generally a slower bit but better quality fish.

    for me its a time deal. usually when i have the boat out, i’m not able to hit every spot i’d like to so i settle which is probably detrimental. we also don’t have the power dam so sometimes those spots are inaccessible.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1667833

    I’m surprised I didn’t see you yesterday Brian.

    I was hiding in a Strikemaster Hardwater suit and had my nose glued to the Marcum. There were a few people out that I never saw.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1667837

    Here’s the link to the MN DNR study and it includes a similar study completed in TN.

    To save time, 9.1m = 29.xx feet.

    http://files.dnr.state.mn.us/areas/fisheries/lakecity/2007_winteranglingmortality.pdf

    I thought this was an interesting quote that I know there are a couple of people won’t agree with.

    ” Based on sauger annua
    l mortality estimates and historical gill netting data, we believe
    that the winter sauger mortality estimates in Pool 4 of the Mississippi River do not substantially influence
    the entire population. However, anglers can reduce sauger winter angling mortality by limiting the amount of time fished in depths greater than 9.1 m. In addition, anglers that are interested in harvesting quality fish (≥300mm) would want to avoid fishing deeper (≥9.1 m) water.”

    zooks
    Posts: 922
    #1667839

    Nice report Brian, looking forward to the video later!

    FishBlood&RiverMud
    Prescott
    Posts: 6687
    #1667840

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>FishBlood&RiverMud wrote:</div>
    I’m surprised I didn’t see you yesterday Brian.

    I was hiding in a Strikemaster Hardwater suit and had my nose glued to the Marcum. There were a few people out that I never saw.

    Very glad to hear your out and about Brian!!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1667842

    It was very hard not to grab a rod. coffee

    walleye216
    Posts: 91
    #1667886

    Bk, I agree that sauger caught in deeper water have a lower survival rate, but your statement of walleye and sauger caught deeper than 25 fow seldom survive is not supported by the article you linked. Table 4 in the linked article lists the mortality rates and they increase with increasing depth, but “seldom survive” is not how I would describe those results.

    I am not advocating fishing sauger or walleyes in deep water and I don’t do it myself, but many sauger caught over 25 fow do survive according to the linked article. I think the mortality rates of fish caught in deep water are often exaggerated, like in this case. I am not trying to call you out, I just want the information from the article to be acuratly portrayed. If you have any other articles on this topic I would be interested in reading them.

    Outdraft
    Western Wi.
    Posts: 1149
    #1667961

    Excellent report! The people that are willing to search and eliminate water will find fish away from the crowd, they don’t all stage or spawn by the dam

    Jonesy
    Posts: 1148
    #1669039

    I’ll admit it. This late/early in the year I don’t really know where to go other than upriver from everts. Later in the year I can usually find fish near the head of the lake, etc.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1669063

    No expert here… but keep in mind as the water warms and starts rising (even now) the fish are moving out of the lake and heading up stream…stopping along the way to feed and rest.

    Many of these resting/feeding areas are well known (easy one would be Hay Creek,) many are not. This is where a little time leaving the fishing rod in locker and nosing around with a camera comes into play.

    From the relatively little time I’ve spent nosing around on the bottom of the river in the winter months, I’ve seen large eyes in places I would never have guessed there would be any fish.

    Example you ask? In the middle of the river behind the high spot in a sand dune area. Are there going to be 100 fish there? No, but there are some dandies if a person can get them to bite. )

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