The perks of the rich and famous

Dan wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
Baldwin knew he was guilty of murder

With premeditation and intent? This is the absolute first time I’ve seen anyone make that claim.

To what degree.. that is the question. He knew it. Also I am quite sure the weapon was “inspected” when this all happened and there was NO WAY it went off without a trigger pull. Just what I remember reading. Either way, somebody “foc7ed up” and should be accountable to ending this life. Drunk drivers never intend to kill either.

big_g wrote:

Drunk drivers never intend to kill either.

I’m no legal expert but with the drunk driving there is still no intent or premeditation. Someone dies due to gross, culpable negligence and that’s where manslaughter comes into play.

suzuki wrote:

I see this as a very very bad accident. Actors point and shoot at each other on camera and have since motion pictures were invented. He did it off camera and there was a live round in the gun. How that live round got there is the real question. Not whether or not he shot someone. Maybe it was his fault the round was there? We will never know that.

Totally agree. Acting is not real, it’s acting and as an actor, you do all kinds of things that are bad ideas and/or unsafe in real life. The idea that an actor has to do unsafe things but be held responsible for the consequences if they go wrong isn’t going to fly with a jury and that’s why the chargers were dropped.

buckybadger wrote:

Some people despise Baldwin because he’s a wealthy outspoken liberal and many still have images of him bashing Trump repeatedly on SNL so deeply rooted in their heads that it eats at them.

Well, now I think we get to the heart of the matter. Baldwin’s politics triggered some people and here’s the chance for revenge. If it would have been Clint Eastwood or Arnold who was handed a loaded gun on set and injured or killed somebody with it, would there still be all the baying for a prosecution?

I never said that he is guilty. The charges should not of been dropped. It should of went to court and a jury should have been the one to make the decision on innocent or guilty. That’s what would have happened if it was an ordinary citizen. JMO

Also somewhere I read an article that the FBI tested the gun and no way it fired with out someone pulling the trigger. It is possible that Baldwin didn’t realize he accidentally pulled the trigger. I could understand that argument.

big_g wrote:

To what degree.. that is the question. He knew it. Also I am quite sure the weapon was “inspected” when this all happened and there was NO WAY it went off without a trigger pull. Just what I remember reading. Either way, somebody “foc7ed up” and should be accountable to ending this life. Drunk drivers never intend to kill either.

I don’t know what to think about this whole ordeal. Agree on the drunk driver statement but also, what if you were at a restaurant for dinner and thought you were being served water but it actually had alcohol in it and you didn’t notice. Setting aside the fact that you may be able to feel like you’re getting drunk, so its not the best analogy, would you be liable for drunk driving or would it be the bartenders fault?

Gitchi Gummi wrote:

what if you were at a restaurant for dinner and thought you were being served water but it actually had alcohol in it and you didn’t notice. Setting aside the fact that you may be able to feel like you’re getting drunk, so its not the best analogy, would you be liable for drunk driving or would it be the bartenders fault?

That’s an interesting hypothetical you posed there and applies to this situation quite well.

I don’t know that the FBI actually tested the gun or not. It was reported on ABC Radio this morning that the gun had been altered and it would have been possible that it fired without Baldwin pulling the trigger. It doesn’t matter what we think, the prosecutor obliviously doesn’t think they have a winnable case.

Perhaps Walz can bundle up a couple billion of our tax surplus dollars and send Ellison down there to get some clarity.

Why is it that the focus is on the manufactured conspiracy of political intervention and not on preventing this in the first place? Being constantly outraged must be exhausting.

Personally, I would like to see Hollywood move toward putting some sort of accountability on the actor who willfully uses a functioning firearm on a set to be able to verify themselves that it is free of live ammunition. If they are incapable of that, they shouldn’t be allowed to handle it on set. They must only be allowed to handle props.

Maybe they should be moving toward manufacturing firearms that are incapable of firing live rounds. Anyone familiar with HSE policies should know that engineered safeguards are always the best.

Thank you for the chuckle this morning IDO.

The person with the gun in his hand is ultimately responsible for KNOWING whether said gun contains live ammunition or not AND whether the gun is safe to handle….meaning can it go off without touching the trigger. This is nothing more than common sense, safe gun handling. Assumption has no place in handling guns. The first two replies to this topic were dead on. Political bent did not pull the trigger. Whoever has that gun in his hand is responsible for knowing what the magazine, clip, cylinder or chamber contains for loads.

One question I have is why, in a setting where live ammunition is NOT needed, was any live rounds even remotely available to mix them up with blanks? Sorry, but this was not an accident. It was either intentional or one super sized blunder by someone who should not have been handling any gun. Find the person who loaded the gun and handed it to the idiot pulling the trigger and then ask said idiot why he didn’t take time to double check someone else’s work.

Some secretly evil person on set could have thrown a live round into the mix not knowing when it would be used.

Any criminal charges will pale in comparison to the lawsuits for wrongful death. Accidentally shooting someone is like two years. Wrongful death lawsuits are getting in the 10’s of millions.

Jimmy Jones wrote:

One question I have is why, in a setting where live ammunition is NOT needed, was any live rounds even remotely available to mix them up with blanks?

Thats the same thing I have always wondered. Guessing some evil monkeybutt mixed one in on purpose and just waited to see what would happen. Gonna guess they went through all the rest to see if there was anymore live ones.