Let them ride there bikes. Who cares. I ride my bike down the side walk in the wrong direction all the time.
And im going to guess the majority of these guys biking also pay taxes to use and maintain these lanes. Its pretty annoying for sure, but so are half the idiots driving
I’m thinking the point some here may be missing is this. The “Liberals” running St Paul and Mpls pushing these laws through now would love to immediately ban all gas motor vehicles from the road today if they could. Of course, they can’t. So they pass these regs through piece by piece until they hit their goals…….someday down the “road”. Doing this under the disguise of “Safety” when it has nothing to do with safety. It has everything to do zero emissions goals and protecting mother earth.
When the speed limit is 2.5mph and it is faster to walk, there will be no need to drive your car anywhere.
-J.
Just remember, the only places pedestrians legally get the right of way is at intersections marked or not marked. Basically, wherever you’re required to stop your car are the only spots where hitting a pedestrian is illegal.
Anywhere else pedestrians must yield to vehicles. Vehicles have the right of way.
That’s why you’ll never see charges filed against a driver that hits and kills a jaywalker. From a legal standpoint the jaywalker was the one endangering the driver, not the other way around.
FYI I’m not a lawyer so don’t take what I say as gospel, look into it for yourself. State and municipal laws might vary slightly but I’m pretty sure pedestrians yielding to traffic and only having the right of ways at intersections marked with or without cross walks is a federal law all states must abide by.
The exception is going to be if you’re under the influence. You’re totally fine if you’re sober but if someone runs into the street right in front of you, even if it’s 100% their fault and it was impossible to do anything to prevent it from happening, if you’re intoxicated you shouldn’t have been on the road and if you wouldn’t have then that person would be alive. That’s how they view it and why it’ll be vehicular homicide in almost every case.
Know the rules because these laws are contrary to them. Raise the speed limits. It’s not going to kill anyone that’s not a moron. Getting all these idiots to follow the rules would make a lot more sense than lowering the speed limits. A campaign to raise public awareness of the law needs to happen. There are people in Minneapolis who want to see vehicle traffic eliminated. No cars on the roads, just bicycles and people walking. I thought it was a joke until I saw a bunch of them on Twitter. They literally encourage their kids to play in the streets. I informed them that by the law people could theoretically run over their kids and not get in any trouble…..
…..BECAUSE ROADS ARE FOR VEHICLES TO DRIVE ON AND NOT FOR KIDS TO PLAY IN.
Drivers pay for and fund our roads. Their entire existence is for the sole purpose of vehicle traffic. From commerce to emergency services it’s imperative from a societal standpoint that someone starts teaching these idiots to not get in front of a moving car in the street and think they have to stop. Even if they did it doesn’t mean they will. In the name of Darwin we need to stop enabling these morons and start culling the incompetent specimens from the herd.
I don’t think I’ll drive according to your doctrine. In Rochester if there’s a person on foot in the roadway period you yield to him/her. Maybe its just due to Mayo but there have been instances where courts have decided in favor of the person on foot and while NOT in a marked pedestrian zone. Rochester is full of pedestrian crossings, some with and many without any lighting and you’d better be taking care when you are driving.
The largest single source of roadway funding is property taxes. The majority of road user fees (gas tax, registration, etc) goes to highways. The cost of bike lanes is miniscule compared to just the upkeep needed from vehicle traffic.
Every person riding a bike is one less car on the road, reducing wear and tear along with traffic. Better and safer roads (bike /pedestrian lanes, lower speed limits) benefit everybody.
I agree. However adding more bike lanes doesn’t magically add more bikes. It just clogs the roads even more.
The majority of the bikes lanes around here are empty 99.9% of the time. I may see one bike a month in them.
For instance this road I drive down almost daily. Since this satellite image was taken they have rearranged the lanes. Used to be a 4 lane with a bike path on one side and side walk on other. Now it is a crowded 3 lane with added bike lanes on sides. Never once have I seen bikes use them, they all use the intended bike path.
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Munchy! That reminds me of W river drive! 2 bike lanes off the road , then 2 on the road with only 2 lanes for traffic. I’ve yet to see anyone use the bike lanes when I lived there!
Bikers should be ticketed and carry insurance for when they cause or have an accident!
Their personal liability coverage from having any type of homeowner’s insurance (HO, renters, condo, etc) would cover a cyclist in the event they cause an accident. Get their info at the scene (Name & current address off an ID and contact info (phone/email)) and the big thing is having a third party witness who will corroborate your story. I.E. anyone riding in your vehicle won’t count. Do whatever you can to get another driver, pedestrian, someone who was watching out their window, anyone at the scene who saw what took place and can corroborate your side of the story, and also get their contact into. If you have that 3rd party witness you’re golden.
When asking for name and contact info be pleasant and non-accusatory. Nonchalantly pull your ID out, tell them your insurance agent instructed you to swap into by taking a picture of each other’s ID’s and then have one of you call the other’s number in order to have it and verify it’s a working number for them. If you’re offering that and they won’t do it, if you haven’t called the cops yet at that point certainly do so and instruct the person they are legally required to stay at the scene of the accident until the police arrive. Take video of them while you’re talking to them. Tell them it’s nothing personal you’re simply concerned they might flee. Try not to escalate the situation while also standing your ground and getting what is necessary for your insurance company to go after them if they’re liable.
The biggest issue with cyclists is PIP. In MN the first $20K of medical comes off each individual’s policy, regardless of who’s at fault (the only reason why MN is referred to as a “no-fault” state, in every other aspect fault is very much determined and assigned).
So let’s say you hit a cyclist who was riding in the road and obeying all laws and acting as a moving vehicle. The way it’d work if you hit another car is their policy would pay the first $20K of their medical and after that the bodily injury liability limits on your policy would then kick in if you were at fault. Being a cyclist he doesn’t have a policy so your insurance is going to start paying their medical starting at $0 versus $20,000. Any cyclist using their bike as a moving vehicle in the road and subject to traffic laws should also be subject to carrying the same amount of PIP as any other vehicle.
Here’s the law for you Tom. Now repeat after me,
“They came out of nowhere. There was no way to stop in the split second between when they flashed in front of me and when impact was made.”
I have a very large dent on the hood of my car that I never thought about fixing since I view it as a badge of honor. Everyone’s parents should have taught them to stay out of the street, because what might happen if you don’t?
You get run over.
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/169.21
Subd. 3.Crossing between intersections.
(a) Every pedestrian crossing a roadway at any point other than within a marked crosswalk or at an intersection with no marked crosswalk shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon the roadway.
(b) Any pedestrian crossing a roadway at a point where a pedestrian tunnel or overhead pedestrian crossing has been provided shall yield the right-of-way to all vehicles upon the roadway.
(c) Between adjacent intersections at which traffic-control signals are in operation pedestrians shall not cross at any place except in a marked crosswalk.
(d) Notwithstanding the other provisions of this section every driver of a vehicle shall (1) exercise due care to avoid colliding with any bicycle or pedestrian upon any roadway and (2) give an audible signal when necessary and exercise proper precaution upon observing any child or any obviously confused or incapacitated person upon a roadway.
I have a very large dent on the hood of my car that I never thought about fixing since I view it as a badge of honor.
Assuming that you meant you hit somebody, you see that as something to be proud of? Wow.
Regardless of who would be at fault, I will do everything in my power to prevent injury to a human – steel, glass, and plastic can be repaired. damaged lives not so much.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>joneser wrote:</div>
I have a very large dent on the hood of my car that I never thought about fixing since I view it as a badge of honor.Assuming that you meant you hit somebody, you see that as something to be proud of? Wow.
Regardless of who would be at fault, I will do everything in my power to prevent injury to a human – steel, glass, and plastic can be repaired. damaged lives not so much.
The guy really is something else. Browsing through his other comments on all threads he really holds him self up above others. Its almost humorous if you are on the outside looking in. Assuming he is thinking the opposite
I’m fine with a lower posted speed limit in Mpls and St Paul city streets. There’s a lot of pedestrians, bikers, scooters, and parked cars on many of the streets.
I am with others on the view point of the fact that if bikers want to ride on the road, then obey the laws of the road. Virtually every biker I see both in my own neighborhood and in Mpls blows right through red lights like they don’t even exist.
You may or may not be held liable if you hit a biker or a pedestrian with your car, but I will tell you that I am going to go out of my way every single time and do all that I can to avoid that if I’m able to. I’d feel pretty awful if I hit someone just because I knew I may not be held liable. I’d much rather hit the brakes and then honk at them to get their attention.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Timmy wrote:</div>
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>joneser wrote:</div>
I have a very large dent on the hood of my car that I never thought about fixing since I view it as a badge of honor.Assuming that you meant you hit somebody, you see that as something to be proud of? Wow.
Regardless of who would be at fault, I will do everything in my power to prevent injury to a human – steel, glass, and plastic can be repaired. damaged lives not so much.
The guy really is something else. Browsing through his other comments on all threads he really holds him self up above others. Its almost humorous if you are on the outside looking in. Assuming he is thinking the opposite
So the inside looking out? Got it. That’s exactly what I’m thinking. You nailed it. 
Driving on 3rd street this morning. Doing the posted 25mph. Passed by an articulated MTC Buss doing at least 45mph. The reduced speed limit on some streets is a complete joke. They did it with an all or nothing swoop of a pen without taking the actual roads affected into consideration.
Some streets need the lower limit, others do not. The city needed to take some time to figure it out. It’s obvious no one did.
-J.
You may or may not be held liable if you hit a biker or a pedestrian with your car, but I will tell you that I am going to go out of my way every single time and do all that I can to avoid that if I’m able to. I’d feel pretty awful if I hit someone just because I knew I may not be held liable. I’d much rather hit the brakes and then honk at them to get their attention.
That’s cool, to each their own.
Somebody has to be the one to make them pay for illegally getting in the way of motor vehicles, and I guess that guy is me. If there aren’t a few examples of pedestrians and cyclists getting smoked in the streets to get circulated amongst their circles they’re only going to get more brazen until they’re totally out of control. Not many collisions are needed to serve as an effective deterrent. A handful annually is all it takes to stop most of them from negatively impacting the lives of auto drivers.
I’ll keep the peace for the guys driving motor vehicles through the streets. I don’t mind doing that to help maintain order in society.
The next time there’s a pedestrian that’s about to jaywalk and illegally cross in front of any of you guys, but instead they hesitate, stop, and decide to yield to you and your vehicle?
You’re Welcome
TIL – DO NOT take Grandma and her cane for exercise on any of the streets joneser drives on.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>gimruis wrote:</div>
You may or may not be held liable if you hit a biker or a pedestrian with your car, but I will tell you that I am going to go out of my way every single time and do all that I can to avoid that if I’m able to. I’d feel pretty awful if I hit someone just because I knew I may not be held liable. I’d much rather hit the brakes and then honk at them to get their attention.That’s cool, to each their own.
Somebody has to be the one to make them pay for illegally getting in the way of motor vehicles, and I guess that guy is me. If there aren’t a few examples of pedestrians and cyclists getting smoked in the streets to get circulated amongst their circles they’re only going to get more brazen until they’re totally out of control. Not many collisions are needed to serve as an effective deterrent. A handful annually is all it takes to stop most of them from negatively impacting the lives of auto drivers.
I’ll keep the peace for the guys driving motor vehicles through the streets. I don’t mind doing that to help maintain order in society.
The next time there’s a pedestrian that’s about to jaywalk and illegally cross in front of any of you guys, but instead they hesitate, stop, and decide to yield to you and your vehicle?
You’re Welcome
You sir a complete moron
Driving on 3rd street this morning. Doing the posted 25mph. Passed by an articulated MTC Buss doing at least 45mph. The reduced speed limit on some streets is a complete joke. They did it with an all or nothing swoop of a pen without taking the actual roads affected into consideration.
Some streets need the lower limit, others do not. The city needed to take some time to figure it out. It’s obvious no one did.
-J.
Agreed, there are really only a handful of problematic intersections that account for the vast majority of collisions. Like Lyn-Lake, which was notorious for the amount of collisions.
It would have made a lot more sense to simply address the most problematic intersections and redo them than lowering the limits city-wide.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>joneser wrote:</div>
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>gimruis wrote:</div>
You may or may not be held liable if you hit a biker or a pedestrian with your car, but I will tell you that I am going to go out of my way every single time and do all that I can to avoid that if I’m able to. I’d feel pretty awful if I hit someone just because I knew I may not be held liable. I’d much rather hit the brakes and then honk at them to get their attention.That’s cool, to each their own.
Somebody has to be the one to make them pay for illegally getting in the way of motor vehicles, and I guess that guy is me. If there aren’t a few examples of pedestrians and cyclists getting smoked in the streets to get circulated amongst their circles they’re only going to get more brazen until they’re totally out of control. Not many collisions are needed to serve as an effective deterrent. A handful annually is all it takes to stop most of them from negatively impacting the lives of auto drivers.
I’ll keep the peace for the guys driving motor vehicles through the streets. I don’t mind doing that to help maintain order in society.
The next time there’s a pedestrian that’s about to jaywalk and illegally cross in front of any of you guys, but instead they hesitate, stop, and decide to yield to you and your vehicle?
You’re Welcome
You sir a complete moron
Calling the guy who knows not to play in the streets a moron instead of the people stupid enough to get hit by oncoming traffic = Irony
You’re incorrect. The morons are the people that end up kissing my fender. Trust me, I’m right on this one. If that wasn’t the case then they wouldn’t be getting run over and kissing my fender on their way down and then under my vehicle. The ones who aren’t morons never have to worry about that happening. Only the really stupid ones are at risk.
Not playing in the street is a pretty simple concept to understand. It’s only right that individuals of such mental inferiority to the rest of us who correctly use the streets to drive on get culled from the population. I just hope it happens to them before they reproduce and pass on their genes. Evolution largely takes place by morons dying young. Only the strongest specimens of each species are meant to survive and pass on their genes. People stupid enough to put themselves in situations where they’re at the mercy of an oncoming motor vehicle due to not following a very simple law do not qualify, and thus get culled from the herd. Them getting smoked helps restore order to the way we’ve always progressed as a species.
If you don’t like that take I’d tell you to go and take it up with Darwin but he’s dead. So I guess you’re S.O.L.
I see this thread has gone completely off the rails. GOOD LUCK EVERYBODY!! 
Not like I needed one but yet another reason to avoid the big cities
Not playing in the street is a pretty simple concept to understand. It’s only right that individuals of such mental inferiority to the rest of us who correctly use the streets to drive on get culled from the population. I just hope it happens to them before they reproduce and pass on their genes. Evolution largely takes place by morons dying young. Only the strongest specimens of each species are meant to survive and pass on their genes. People stupid enough to put themselves in situations where they’re at the mercy of an oncoming motor vehicle due to not following a very simple law do not qualify, and thus get culled from the herd. Them getting smoked helps restore order to the way we’ve always progressed as a species.
Children I suppose might be considered “mentally inferior”, have you seen the attention span of a 4 or 5 year old boy? Seems like no matter how many times you tell them…
…you turn your back for a second and by golly they’re out playing in the “residential” street again.
Do you run over children to “cull the herd” also?
I’m fine with a lower posted speed limit in Mpls and St Paul city streets. There’s a lot of pedestrians, bikers, scooters, and parked cars on many of the streets.
I’ll also add how those tight urban streets stay icy even well after main roads have been cleared. Whipping down an icy city street (as I’ve seen many do) truly increases your opportunity to run over a distracted child who may have wandered.
It amazes me sometimes how far even a slow moving vehicle slides on ice.
I get that many of you think I’m being too harsh, but here’s the reality of it—a 4 of 5 year old that gets loose and winds up in the street is endangering every driver who’s minding their own business and doing what they’re supposed to be doing. It all comes down to the specific situation but just like how you’re better off not swerving to avoid a collision with a deer the same goes for a little kid that runs out in front of you while driving.
How would you like me to answer? To where I’d be willing to swerve into oncoming traffic in order to avoid hitting a kid that runs out in front of me? Is that the right answer? Me risking my life and that of anyone else in the vehicle when we were minding our own business following the rules because for some reason we’re obligated to bail you out for not watching your kid or grandkid and putting their life in danger and now ours?
No one wants to see a 4 or 5 year old kid die but if it happens? Don’t you dare get angry at the innocent driver, it’s not their fault. Direct any anger and blame towards where it belongs—-that being whoever was supposed to be watching the kid.
Little kids are like dogs. Attempting to explain to a little kid why they shouldn’t play in the street, like most parents seem to believe is parenting these days, isn’t going to keep them out of the streets for reasons you mentioned Andy. It’s not that much more effective when explaining the same thing to a dog. I.E. the dog is going to continue going in the street
This would be an instance of when actual parenting needs to take place. You know, doing something that’s unpleasant, isn’t fun, and you’d rather not have to do it….but you do it because you love your kid and don’t want them to get run over.
I assure you that if you man up and spank the shjt out of that 4 or 5 year old every time you catch them in the street it’ll only require you doing it two or three times before they’ll never do it again.
They’ll get it and thank you for it when they’re older.
I know this is a drastic detour from the non-discipline parenting commonly seen these days where kids don’t listen at all to adults and parents stick them in front of screen so they don’t have to deal with them most of the time.
wow!!!!!!! 
I agree
As much as it sounds cruel there is truth to the statement. We can all take extra steps to try to prevent accidents but the people that are not controlling there children in the road are at more fault then the driver down the road.
As much as it sounds cruel there is truth to the statement. We can all take extra steps to try to prevent accidents but the people that are not controlling there children in the road are at more fault then the driver down the road.
Well then, those people must be stupid. And as one person posting here advocates, stupid people should be killed.
Yes, killed…”culled from the population”. All “stupid people”…
“It’s only right that individuals of such mental inferiority to the rest of us who correctly use the streets to drive on get culled from the population.”
“Them getting smoked helps restore order to the way we’ve always progressed as a species.”
This is all I can say about this thread—-YIKES!!!!
I think we all know people like joneser. Big talker, morally superior, but in real life complete lame duck.
Flex those net muscles bro, they lookin good
Flex those net muscles bro, they lookin good
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