The Millelacs Treaty ?

  • bobberstop4054
    Posts: 178
    #1678915

    Could the POTUS do anything about this unfair problem?

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16650
    #1678917

    Should, could, would. No, he might be able to find better things to spend his time on. Although you may want to start a Twitter campaign, that might draw his attention. razz

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16650
    #1678919

    Didn’t mean to sound snarky but the subject is old and nobody that counts cares. If your congress people don’t care (and they don’t) and your Governor doesn’t care (he only cares for the camera’s) you will have a hard time getting the Presidents attention. The issue is a national issue and there isn’t enough outrage nationally to get it looked at. Remember it was a passed law at the national level that allowed the Casino’s in the first place. It was those funds that allowed the tribes to push reservation boundaries and seek to have the treaties enforce. Now you can’t find hardly anybody who hasn’t been to a Casino. They are a part of American life just like liquor, drugs, tobacco and corruption.

    So no, the President isn’t going to take a look.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11626
    #1678962

    Could the POTUS do anything about this unfair problem?

    Surely the irony of calling these treaties an “unfair problem” cannot be lost even on you.

    And if by “do something” you mean tear them up like a tin pot dictator would, then no. Trump can’t throw them out.

    Grouse

    roosterrouster
    Inactive
    The "IGH"...
    Posts: 2092
    #1678965

    Can he? The quick answer is yes. Will he? Not in his first 47.5 months in office but as he is pardoning murders and the such (as all Presidents do in their last two weeks…) he may but don’t hold your breath…RR

    bobberstop4054
    Posts: 178
    #1679001

    Maybe steve fellegy knows Donald! Just maybe he needs to be made aware of whats gong on.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16650
    #1679002

    Most (like 99% ) of Minnesotans don’t know or care whats going on.

    Ed Lashyro
    NULL
    Posts: 100
    #1679003

    Mn needs its now casinos that are state run.

    RedRanger
    Posts: 52
    #1683037

    the treaties can be modified or cancelled by the POTUS
    ..its in the treaty

    philtickelson
    Inactive
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 1678
    #1683041

    Not enough potential money in it. Oil pipeline issues, sure, walleye resort problems on ONE lake in Minnesota.

    Fuhgeddaboutit.

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6019
    #1683042

    The supreme court ruled the treaty “Exists at the pleasure of the President.” Since the treaty was never terminated, the treaty remains in effect.

    The president can indeed dissolve the treaty with the swipe of a pen.

    -J.

    philtickelson
    Inactive
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 1678
    #1683043

    That said, if there’s any president who would look to remove rights or privileges of a minority group in the US it would be Donald.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1683060

    By then he will have enough court time to be considered part of the court staff. )

    roosterrouster
    Inactive
    The "IGH"...
    Posts: 2092
    #1683063

    The supreme court ruled the treaty “Exists at the pleasure of the President.” Since the treaty was never terminated, the treaty remains in effect.

    The president can indeed dissolve the treaty with the swipe of a pen.

    -J.

    …and history has shown that IF this was to be done it would be in the same swipe of the pen as he was pardoning murderers and crooks in his last days in office. It could be done! RR

    roosterrouster
    Inactive
    The "IGH"...
    Posts: 2092
    #1683075

    Not enough potential money in it. Oil pipeline issues, sure, walleye resort problems on ONE lake in Minnesota.

    Fuhgeddaboutit.

    One?

    philtickelson
    Inactive
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 1678
    #1683076

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>philtickelson wrote:</div>
    Not enough potential money in it. Oil pipeline issues, sure, walleye resort problems on ONE lake in Minnesota.

    Fuhgeddaboutit.

    One?

    Obviously it’s more than just Mille Lacs, but that’s the burning platform is it not?

    roosterrouster
    Inactive
    The "IGH"...
    Posts: 2092
    #1683078

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>roosterrouster wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>philtickelson wrote:</div>
    Not enough potential money in it. Oil pipeline issues, sure, walleye resort problems on ONE lake in Minnesota.

    Fuhgeddaboutit.

    One?

    Obviously it’s more than just Mille Lacs, but that’s the burning platform is it not?

    Burning? Yes. Are there more? Just throw a dart (or a spear…) at a map…RR

    belletaine
    Nevis, MN
    Posts: 5116
    #1683082

    The supreme court ruled the treaty “Exists at the pleasure of the President.” Since the treaty was never terminated, the treaty remains in effect.

    The president can indeed dissolve the treaty with the swipe of a pen.

    -J.

    …And A judge in say, Hawaii could use his his pen to block the president.

    roosterrouster
    Inactive
    The "IGH"...
    Posts: 2092
    #1683089

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Jon Jordan wrote:</div>
    The supreme court ruled the treaty “Exists at the pleasure of the President.” Since the treaty was never terminated, the treaty remains in effect.

    The president can indeed dissolve the treaty with the swipe of a pen.

    -J.

    …And A judge in say, Hawaii could use his his pen to block the president.

    Huh? Please explain (or produce evidence to this…) because I have never read or heard that at any event or function I have ever been at…RR

    belletaine
    Nevis, MN
    Posts: 5116
    #1683120

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>belletaine wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Jon Jordan wrote:</div>
    The supreme court ruled the treaty “Exists at the pleasure of the President.” Since the treaty was never terminated, the treaty remains in effect.

    The president can indeed dissolve the treaty with the swipe of a pen.

    -J.

    …And A judge in say, Hawaii could use his his pen to block the president.

    Huh? Please explain (or produce evidence to this…) because I have never read or heard that at any event or function I have ever been at…RR

    I, personally, would be shocked if anything relating to any of the three branches could be accomplished with the stroke of a pen.

    I’m certainly not as well versed regarding the legal aspects of the treaty as most.

    crappie55369
    Mound, MN
    Posts: 5757
    #1683121

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Jon Jordan wrote:</div>
    The supreme court ruled the treaty “Exists at the pleasure of the President.” Since the treaty was never terminated, the treaty remains in effect.

    The president can indeed dissolve the treaty with the swipe of a pen.

    -J.

    …And A judge in say, Hawaii could use his his pen to block the president.

    thank god for that. A ruler without checks and balances is not a ruler but a dictator

    john23
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 2578
    #1683140

    President Taylor signed an Executive Order in 1850 that said the following:

    “The privileges granted temporarily to the Chippewa Indians of Mississippi by the Fifth Article of the Treaty made with them on the 29th of July 1837, `of hunting, fishing and gathering the wild rice, upon the lands, the rivers and the lakes included in the territory ceded’ by that treaty to the United States … are hereby revoked; and all of the said Indians remaining on the lands ceded as aforesaid, are required to remove to their unceded lands.”

    The 1999 Supreme Court decision found that the President didn’t have the authority he claimed in the Executive Order.

    Yes, of course it’s more complicated than that. It’s irresponsible to claim otherwise.

    ski junkie
    Grantsburg, Wisc
    Posts: 305
    #1683145

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>belletaine wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Jon Jordan wrote:</div>
    The supreme court ruled the treaty “Exists at the pleasure of the President.” Since the treaty was never terminated, the treaty remains in effect.

    The president can indeed dissolve the treaty with the swipe of a pen.

    -J.

    …And A judge in say, Hawaii could use his his pen to block the president.

    thank god for that. A ruler without checks and balances is not a ruler but a dictator

    Are you kidding ?????
    What about that America hating shmuck that was the last potus ????

    dogs
    Hugo
    Posts: 59
    #1683159

    we need a 3rd party with a foundation based protecting Gun rights, middle class orientation, focusing locking up dead beat dads, supporting sportsman’s activity
    and state run casinos. a threat of 4 state run casinos at both ends of 35 e and 35 w intersections, Woodbury and Long lake. That would give some bargaining power towards “treaty rights”

    mxskeeter
    SW Wisconsin
    Posts: 3778
    #1683201

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>philtickelson wrote:</div>
    Not enough potential money in it. Oil pipeline issues, sure, walleye resort problems on ONE lake in Minnesota.

    Fuhgeddaboutit.

    One?

    Don’t forget the hundreds maybe thousands of lakes in northern Wisconsin.

    Walleyestudent Andy Cox
    Garrison MN-Mille Lacs
    Posts: 4484
    #1683944

    Like rubbing salt in a wound….the band had a party yesterday

    http://www.messagemedia.co/millelacs/news/tribal/mlb-treaty-rights-celebration/article_e8486b9a-0e5e-11e7-9123-770a92d09820.html?mode=jqm

    I suppose…they’re entitled to their celebration. Reality is that 90% of them don’t really care about the treaty, just there for the picnic/community party. And that is okay. It’s the other 10% or less that are active in the “exercising” of treaty rights. And the same for the Wisconsin bands, and any other Ojibwa bands. 90% or more of them are living how the live careless about treaty rights.

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