The big bad wolf

  • deertracker
    Posts: 9231
    #1635028

    Was going through some trail cam cards and came across these pics from October 2014. Not sure if I shared them. We also called him in while coyote hunting in July 2015.
    DT

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    Tom Sawvell
    Inactive
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    #1635041

    That’d be a dandy on the wall, rugged out. Course you being law enforcement I suppose its a tad bit hard to consider, eh? lol

    Beautiful animals. Just way to many of them in Minnesota and the people counting them can’t count.

    Tom Sawvell
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    #1635042

    That picture on the left looks as though the dog is pregnant….got quite a gut on it. Could be full of food too, but things look like early spring when she’d be carrying if its a female.

    basseyes
    Posts: 2506
    #1635066

    That picture on the left looks as though the dog is pregnant….got quite a gut on it. Could be full of food too, but things look like early spring when she’d be carrying if its a female.

    Agree. Head and posture sure looks like a female. Or another word for Hillary.

    deertracker
    Posts: 9231
    #1635069

    They did lose a few calves at the farm so. I was hoping that we would get a season back but if not…… coffee

    basseyes
    Posts: 2506
    #1635103

    Have a lot of pics/videos of wolves in the Meadowlands area. A friend got one during the last wolf season. He had 7 different wolves in the cross hairs. Amazing the drop in wolves on tcams this year. Only have one pair on video and only once. That’s a huge drop off. And the deer numbers have really bounced back very well with 2 mild winters.

    bigpike
    Posts: 6259
    #1635107

    Smoke a pack a day…..

    deertracker
    Posts: 9231
    #1635113

    @t52s, the pic was from October.
    DT

    Michael Saal
    Merrill, Wi
    Posts: 635
    #1635134

    The last time I checked the wolves killed 22 dogs in WI. this year.

    Tom Sawvell
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    #1636625

    @t52s, the pic was from October.
    DT

    Probably just has a belly full of food.

    basseyes
    Posts: 2506
    #1636654

    A belly full of pet poodles.

    roosterrouster
    Inactive
    The "IGH"...
    Posts: 2092
    #1636656

    A belly full of pet poodles.

    I’m OK with that…RR

    tegg
    Hudson, Wi/Aitkin Co
    Posts: 1450
    #1636673

    Have a lot of pics/videos of wolves in the Meadowlands area. A friend got one during the last wolf season. He had 7 different wolves in the cross hairs. Amazing the drop in wolves on tcams this year. Only have one pair on video and only once. That’s a huge drop off. And the deer numbers have really bounced back very well with 2 mild winters.

    I’ve had a very similar experience. We had wolf central during summer/fall of 2014. Had 8-10 different eye witness accounts during daylight hours whether mowing hay, just touring the property or hunting. Heard them several times during the night time hours. Only found tracks and heard them sporadically in 2015. So far nothing in 2016. The deer in our area have also seen a noticeable jump in numbers this year.

    mxskeeter
    SW Wisconsin
    Posts: 3740
    #1636680

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>basseyes wrote:</div>
    Have a lot of pics/videos of wolves in the Meadowlands area. A friend got one during the last wolf season. He had 7 different wolves in the cross hairs. Amazing the drop in wolves on tcams this year. Only have one pair on video and only once. That’s a huge drop off. And the deer numbers have really bounced back very well with 2 mild winters.

    I’ve had a very similar experience. We had wolf central during summer/fall of 2014. Had 8-10 different eye witness accounts during daylight hours whether mowing hay, just touring the property or hunting. Heard them several times during the night time hours. Only found tracks and heard them sporadically in 2015. So far nothing in 2016. The deer in our area have also seen a noticeable jump in numbers this year.

    If the deer are back the wolves will be back! Guaranteed. flame

    tegg
    Hudson, Wi/Aitkin Co
    Posts: 1450
    #1636780

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Tegg wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>basseyes wrote:</div>
    Have a lot of pics/videos of wolves in the Meadowlands area. A friend got one during the last wolf season. He had 7 different wolves in the cross hairs. Amazing the drop in wolves on tcams this year. Only have one pair on video and only once. That’s a huge drop off. And the deer numbers have really bounced back very well with 2 mild winters.

    I’ve had a very similar experience. We had wolf central during summer/fall of 2014. Had 8-10 different eye witness accounts during daylight hours whether mowing hay, just touring the property or hunting. Heard them several times during the night time hours. Only found tracks and heard them sporadically in 2015. So far nothing in 2016. The deer in our area have also seen a noticeable jump in numbers this year.

    If the deer are back the wolves will be back! Guaranteed. flame

    To be honest I don’t think they ever left. I think the wolves in our area were there to stay sometime in the late 1980s or early 90s. We saw the same deer population boom in the 2000s to 2012 like everyone else.

    Michael Saal
    Merrill, Wi
    Posts: 635
    #1636829

    Just got a up date from WDNR and two more bear hounds were killed last week.

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #1636894

    The last time I checked the wolves killed 22 dogs in WI. this year.

    How many dogs were killed by vehicles?

    basseyes
    Posts: 2506
    #1636936

    I have no hatred for the wolf. But I also make no mistake about it, I will defend a member of my pack if it’s getting mauled. I have as much right as a wolf to defend my pack. Sorry but it’s pure bs to worship an animal such as the wolf and completely ignore that it does play some roll in moose calf recruitment. It’s a cyclical argument based on fears, feelings and ignorance on both sides.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11575
    #1636969

    Sorry but it’s pure bs to worship an animal such as the wolf…

    I agree completely with this and I think you’ve very accurately summed it up with the word “worship”.

    I don’t hate wolves either. But I totally agree, the wolf has been placed on an altar and is being worshiped in ways that seek to set the wolf apart from other animals and I believe this is wrong.

    Wolves aren’t special. The reality of life in the modern world is that man manipulates the natural world and everything in it. There is NO species in the US that is not currently or has not historically been subject to some type of management.

    What I think has caused many to resent wolves is that now that the species has made a dramatic comeback, the pro-wolf lobby has also sought to promote wolves to a special “untouchable” status where government agencies are banned from any and all attempts to manage the species in any way, at any time, and under any conditions.

    Obviously, this has caused considerable resentment and rightly so. I have seen very few hunters and sportsmen advocating for “wiping out” wolves. What most of us want is for wolves to be actively managed like EVERY OTHER species. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Wolf populations vary greatly even within a county or township, so there needs to be flexibility in managing them instead of just using overall numbers as the guide.

    The longer wolves are kept on an altar as untouchable, God-like animals, the more resentment and frustration builds. It’s far better just to treat them like every other animal.

    Grouse

    Grouse

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #1636972

    Sorry but it’s pure bs to worship an animal such as the wolf

    I assume you are responding to me. Where did I ever say that we should worship wolves? I have no problem with a wolf hunting season nor a person killing a wolf in defense of livestock or a beloved pet.

    What I do have a problem with is so-called sportsmen advocating for killing every wolf they see. It’s nature. You assume some risk if you let your dog wander outside. While wolves don’t deserve worship, they also don’t deserve to be eradicated.

    Smoke a pack a day…..

    Michael Saal
    Merrill, Wi
    Posts: 635
    #1637082

    [quote=1636972 It’s nature. You assume some risk if you let your dog wander outside. While wolves don’t deserve worship, they also don’t deserve to be eradicated.

    Does that go for farmers who have there calves and sheep killed as they wander outside? It’s costing taxpayers a lot to pay for these killings.

    basseyes
    Posts: 2506
    #1637092

    Ralph,

    I don’t want to see the wolf eradicated, I like having them on the landscape. It is simple math. They have surpassed their target numbers, yet are still on the endangered species list. Why? That’s where and why people get irritated a frustrated and start talking about smoking a pack a day or the sss theory. For most it’s nothing more than frustration dealing with the bureaucracy of managing a species no different than the moose. Yet if we had moose numbers as high as the after pup wolf numbers, we would have a moose season.

    basseyes
    Posts: 2506
    #1637093

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>basseyes wrote:</div>
    Sorry but it’s pure bs to worship an animal such as the wolf…

    I agree completely with this and I think you’ve very accurately summed it up with the word “worship”.

    I don’t hate wolves either. But I totally agree, the wolf has been placed on an altar and is being worshiped in ways that seek to set the wolf apart from other animals and I believe this is wrong.

    Wolves aren’t special. The reality of life in the modern world is that man manipulates the natural world and everything in it. There is NO species in the US that is not currently or has not historically been subject to some type of management.

    What I think has caused many to resent wolves is that now that the species has made a dramatic comeback, the pro-wolf lobby has also sought to promote wolves to a special “untouchable” status where government agencies are banned from any and all attempts to manage the species in any way, at any time, and under any conditions.

    Obviously, this has caused considerable resentment and rightly so. I have seen very few hunters and sportsmen advocating for “wiping out” wolves. What most of us want is for wolves to be actively managed like EVERY OTHER species. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Wolf populations vary greatly even within a county or township, so there needs to be flexibility in managing them instead of just using overall numbers as the guide.

    The longer wolves are kept on an altar as untouchable, God-like animals, the more resentment and frustration builds. It’s far better just to treat them like every other animal.

    Grouse

    Grouse

    Exactly!

    Couldn’t agree more on the idea of population densities. Hunting camp is on the borders of multiple packs territories and it’s like the local pub on a Friday night at times.

    Tom Sawvell
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    #1637129

    While I love seeing a wolf every now and then and love listening to the howling at the cabin in the evening, I also understand that their numbers need to be kept in check. It would be nice if, at a federal level, no judge could intervene on a wolf season that is NOT presiding in the state with the season and even then require a judge to have a current big game license for that state and a history of having one for the prior 15 years. Having a woman judge from South Carolina or Georgia or wherever speak on behalf of Minnesota’s wolf numbers is NOT a productive way to handle wolf numbers here. The last ruling against Minnesota’s season/endangerd animals should have been contested.

    I hear all sorts of horror stories on how “hunters” in northern Minnesota have launched their own wolf control measures from shooting them while on deer stands to putting razor blades in balls of ground meat, frozen and dropped along deer trails, to meat laced with poison also dropped along deer trails. If any of these tales are true its sad. Once again the DNR is powerless to opt to control the numbers in a positive fashion because a special interest has its thumbs in the eye sockets of the judiciary.

    George Aguilar
    Posts: 2
    #1648770

    That does look like a big bad wolf. We get a pack of coyotes around here. Not sure what I would do if I came face to face with that…dang nice photo Coyote Hunting

    reverend
    Rhinelander, WI
    Posts: 1115
    #1654146

    @Tom Sawvell – “I hear all sorts of horror stories on how “hunters” in northern Minnesota have launched their own wolf control measures from shooting them while on deer stands to putting razor blades in balls of ground meat, frozen and dropped along deer trails, to meat laced with poison also dropped along deer trails.”

    This happens here too, unfortunately. Last month, local law enforcement and the DNR asked for help in finding those responsible for poisoning carcasses and leaving poisoned meat. This comes to light when bald eagles and other “non-targeted” critters(raccoons, fisher, etc.) are found sick or dead…this particular instance happens to be within just a few miles of the location where some large land owners were convicted of just the same thing a few years ago.
    We happen to have a bird rehab group close by, they’re swamped this year with large raptors who’ve been poisoned or injured-earlier in the year it was loons. As a side note, they’re a pretty awesome group, so here’s a link: http://www.raptoreducationgroup.org/
    Any hunters out there have a deer heart lying around, send it to them. Eagles and other large raptors have trouble digesting fats, so deer hearts are ideal meat for them.

    Charlie Vaughan
    On the river
    Posts: 190
    #1654190

    Its too bad there’s such a negative stigma around wolves. They should be held at as high of a regard as any other animal.

    roosterrouster
    Inactive
    The "IGH"...
    Posts: 2092
    #1654195

    Its too bad there’s such a negative stigma around wolves. They should be held at as high of a regard as any other animal.

    Charlie, in many ways you are correct. They are in this world doing what God intended them to do. Being that humans are the ultimate predator it is our also our right (and job…) to 1) keep them in check and 2) protect our own livelihood (livestock…) and homes (our pets…). They are a beautiful creature that I for one have a ton of respect for…RR

    Charlie Vaughan
    On the river
    Posts: 190
    #1654205

    Charlie, in many ways you are correct. They are in this world doing what God intended them to do. Being that humans are the ultimate predator it is our also our right (and job…) to 1) keep them in check and 2) protect our own livelihood (livestock…) and homes (our pets…). They are a beautiful creature that I for one have a ton of respect for…RR
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    I wouldn’t be complaining if we were bigger badder wolves that relied on the smaller ones for food, it’s just that we have the intelligence to have some restraint. No one should kill wolves for the reason that they kill deer. In that sense it would make more sense to kill people for that reason. This of course should never be the case, but I’m just pointing out some faulty reasoning.

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