Ruger American

  • cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
    #210273

    Was in Gander yesterday and am looking to pick up a deer rifle for my daughter, now 14 for deer. We hunt heavy forest so shots are close and only 1 chance per deer. I’d also like to dabble in coyote hunting so with that I asked Gander gun guy.

    His strong recommendation was the Ruger American in .270, bolt action. Reviews I read on-line were good to better than average for a gun in this price range. And price range is important here.

    Any thoughts on this gun or others. He had strong opinion to stay away from savage Axis and one other I dont recall.

    Thanks!!

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #123535

    Interesting comments on the Axis. Did you read Jay’s review here, Axis?

    Did he give you any reasoning? So far, if price is a major factor, I’ve yet to find a gun close to what they offer. Cabelas just had them on sale for $249.99. The only negative I’ve read is about the non-adjustable trigger. I think for hunting, it’s more than sufficient. If I wasn’t planning on some long range dog shooting I wouldn’t be upgrading mine. Even so, I’m still under $330.00 for the gun before taxes.

    I see Tikka is making some nice offerings now. My buddy has a few he really likes in the lower end guns. Thompson Center and Weatherby also have entry level lines for about a $100-150.00 more. Even Mossberg has some guns for just slightly more than I paid for the Axis. I think Savage put the competitors on notice.

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
    #123536

    His main complaint was the trigger on the Axis. But he had some strong words for them overall and the quote I remember was, “glad I don’t need to sell them anymore”. Meaning I believe that with Ruger’s new American, he had a good option in that price range.

    Gander has them priced at $399 and right now have a $50 mail in rebate on them. So right around $350.

    ET

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #123537

    That’s a good price. I think from a consumer perspective, we are seeing the “benefits” of a down economy and the continued attacks on gun ownership. I think the manufactures realize not everyone can afford a $700 rifle. Cripes, I’ve dumped far more in accessories than I did in the original gun. Then add optics.

    Have fun shopping! It’s her first gun I assume, something she will consider special some day in the future.

    ragerunner
    Winona, MN
    Posts: 699
    #123539

    I haven’t shot the Savage Axis, but I have a 5 yr old(ish) Savage .270 with Accutrigger and it is the best gun I’ve ever owned. I also bought a .17 Savage w/out an Accutrigger last fall. All is great except the trigger, which is a little too stiff.

    hooknfinger
    Rochester, Minnesota
    Posts: 1290
    #123540

    I take everything that sales people say at a retail store with a grain of salt. They might make more off each sale,they could have a ton of inventory or a certain make/model.

    For a straight hunting gun, you cant beat savage. Sure they are ugly, and the trigger leaves more to be desired but for the money its hard to beat.

    Ive got a remington model 710 in 30 06 that has killed more deer then all my other rifles combined.

    With that said whatever gun feels the best and that you can operate safetly and efficiantly is the one to purchase

    johnee
    Posts: 731
    #123545

    Let me start by saying that there has never been a better time to be buying a gun in the $600 and under category. The singular thing that stands out to me is the current lack of any guns that I can point to as ones to avoid. There just aren’t any truely bad choices IMO.

    My choice of the Savage Axis for a review was based on my personal needs/wants and my desire to answer the question: How low can you go when it comes to price while still getting good or better performance?

    To me, the Savage Axis shows what can be done at one of the lowest price points in the entry-level category. It only gets better from there, but “there” in terms of the Axis is damn good.

    My central question about the Ruger American is more a question about your daughter: How will she like the American’s trigger? It’s similar to the Savage Accutrigger in that there’s a “pre-trigger release” before engaging the actual trigger.

    As I make clear in my reviews, I review hunting rifles. I’m not a competiton or benchrest shooter. My instant reaction when I first handled the Accutrigger, was, “Hmmmmm. How well would this work with heavy gloves on?”.

    I see a lot to like in the Ruger American and I would like to get my hands on one for testing. Obviously, the fully adjustable tigger is a plus. IMO, the Ruger action is well respected and I give Ruger credit for being 100% American made.

    Also, IMO one of the key advantages for the Ruger in terms of being a good hunting rifle is the removeable magazine. Others will have their opinion, but mine is that fiddling with trying to top-load a magazine with cold fingers or while wearing gloves is a headache I don’t need. I can hardly see a situation for North American game where I would want a non-detachable magazine.

    But if you’re satisfied that the trigger configuration won’t be an issue when she’s all bundled up in the deer stand, then I don’t see any reason not to go with the Ruger. Getting the Ruger American for $350 after rebate is a really good deal. I’m going from memory, but I believe $429 is the SRP.

    Now to the question of caliber, I like the 270, don’t get me wrong. But–and this may come as a shock to some–I’m NOT a 14 year old girl.

    Has she shot anything in the 270 / 308 / 30-06 league? How did she feel about the recoil?

    There’s absolutely nothing wrong with the .243 as a deer rifle. With today’s preimum ammo, a deer isn’t going to be any less dead at distances under 200 yards if you hit him with a .243 versus a .270.

    As an added bonus, the .243 is a heck of a coyote wrecker. I can tell you, with a 60g HP powered by Varget, there are dozens of prarie dogs that found out the hard way that 300 yards wasn’t far enough away from me and my Tikka .243.

    Grouse

    Randy Wieland
    Lebanon. WI
    Posts: 13663
    #123567

    Eric, I was checking out that American ruger deal at Cabelas last month. For the price, I think your getting a good value. Cabelas had a door buster price on them, and they sold a lot. Most of the cabelas staff that i talked to that shot them were impressed.

    That .270n will blow some big holes in a coyote if you want to pelt them out. The 243 will make for a better song dog gun, but that is if the focus is the pelts.

    For your daughter, you’ll know what she can handle in the line of recoil better than what anyone can speculate. My youngest daughter is 14 and has been shooting a 7mm ultra mag for almost 2 years. Yet my oldest daughter doesn’t like to hold a hair dryer (ok, I’m embelishing that)

    johnee
    Posts: 731
    #123603

    Quote:


    That .270n will blow some big holes in a coyote if you want to pelt them out. The 243 will make for a better song dog gun, but that is if the focus is the pelts.


    I can confirm that anything north of .25 caliber is going to be very hard on coyotes fur-wise. Yikes. I doubt anyone’s going to want to buy a multi-piece coyote pelt. Yeah, a little needle and thread work’ll sew that right up. . .

    Grouse

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
    #123663

    Thanks guys for all the feedback!!!

    We went in this am and bought the same model gun in .243. Win, win for everyone!! Can’t wait for her to shoot it and then for youth hunt, Oct. 6-7!!

    Eric

    johnee
    Posts: 731
    #123782

    I think she’ll be really happy with that rifle and I think a .243 is a great choice of cartridge for your stated purpose. As an aside, the old man gets a rifle that will really ruin a coyote’s day. Nothing wrong with that either.

    Grouse

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4751
    #123815

    I echo the Grouse…That .243 will kill any deer on the planet. Easy on the shoulder and develops shooter confidence…

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
    #126848

    ttt for .243 question.

    flatfish
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 2105
    #126899

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    I think she’ll be really happy with that rifle and I think a .243 is a great choice of cartridge for your stated purpose. As an aside, the old man gets a rifle that will really ruin a coyote’s day. Nothing wrong with that either.

    Grouse


    X 2 Great choice!

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