Gun sales brisk, as buyers fear bans

  • Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59998
    #209957

    ON TEVLIN Star Tribune
    December 7, 2008
    http://www.startribune.com/mobile/?aid=35690579

    The gun show at the Stillwater Armory on Thanksgiving weekend featured an unlikely salesman. A flier taped to the door featured a stern-looking picture of the president-elect, with the words: ”Barack Obama: Enemy of your gun rights.”
    While the gun show had plenty of competition from retailers starting their Christmas sales, business was brisk as people streamed in and bought up shotguns, hunting knives and at least a few semiautomatic rifles — the gun most gun-rights advocates think an Obama presidency might ban.
    “It’s the Obama effect,” said Joel Rosenberg, a gun law expert who teaches a gun course for people who want permits to carry handguns. He’s teaching one this month and it’s full, for the first time all year, even though the trend for renewals of carry permits has been down in Minnesota.
    “Obama is the first president or presidential candidate who has been on the board of an antigun group [the Joyce Foundation],” said Rosenberg. “Folks are talking as if this Jan. 20 is the day that changes everything. He has said he favors ‘common sense’ laws, and for a lot of gun people, that’s not very good.”
    One of those is Glenn, owner of Glennko Industries, who doesn’t want his last name used.
    Glenn had a booth at the Stillwater show, a table lined with Egyptian and Russian AK-47s. Most of the firearms on the table are semiautomatic and custom-built by Glenn, a licensed dealer.
    “I fully expect to be out of business soon,” he said. “Right now my objective is to get my business loan paid down. If I can get out of this business without bankruptcy, that’s about the best I can expect.”
    Fear or reality?
    Gun sales are volatile, often rising this time of the year for hunting season and Christmas, so it’s difficult to pin the buying on one factor, experts warn. What’s more, buyers don’t have to register guns in Minnesota, so statistics documenting an upswing in sales are not available.
    But dealers agree that they are seeing greater interest since the election from prospective buyers.
    Discussion of gun laws were largely absent from presidential debates, something that scares Glenn.
    “The reason there was a lack of talk about the Second Amendment during the campaign is because it’s one of the first things he’s [Obama] going to do,” Glenn said.
    The website for Obama’s transition includes his position on dozens of issues, but does not mention guns or gun control. The closest the website gets is on the topic of “Sportsmen”:
    “Barack Obama and Joe Biden recognize that we must forge a broad coalition if we are to address the great conservation challenges we face. America’s hunters and anglers are a key constituency that must take an active role and have a powerful voice in this coalition,” the website says.
    Before the election, Obama sought to allay fears he was out to get those sportsmen, even sending a flier to Minnesota homes saying “Obama will protect our gun rights.”
    The fliers posted at the gun show list a number of policies Obama expressed support for in the past, including bills that banned certain types of rifles, higher taxes on ammunition and allowing lawsuits against the firearms industry. Despite heavy opposition from gun groups, Obama won states with high gun ownership.
    Sue Fust, executive director of Citizens for a Safer Minnesota, says groups such as the National Rifle Association are exaggerating Obama’s antigun position to draw members and sell guns.
    “The anti-Obama vitriol has been a fear-mongering tactic that encourages some very fringe folks who are paranoid and convinced that the United States government will really need to be overthrown one day by citizens with guns,” Fust said. “This helps to sell firearms. It is therefore important for those selling guns who want to make money to either try to create new markets or increase sales to existing gun owners.”
    Though his bread is buttered in the gun trade, Rosenberg isn’t as spooked by an Obama presidency as his “gun friends,” and he recommends a measured response by his clients.
    Considering all the problems the country faces, “you have to wonder how high a priority [guns] will be,” Rosenberg said. “It’s going to cost millions of dollars” to institute new gun laws, “and how much political capital is he willing to spend right away? I’m telling people who ask, ‘Don’t do anything you wouldn’t do anyway,'” he said. “If you were already thinking of getting a carry permit or … a semiautomatic, well, maybe go ahead and do it.”
    Hype boosts gun prices
    So if there is a spike in the number of guns being bought, is it only because of Obama, or also fears of economic collapse?
    “I talk to sober people, so I don’t hear many who think the black helicopters are coming to their door,” Rosenberg said. “But a fair number believe that in bad economic times, crime goes up some” and they want protection. “But the fringe concerns are inflated, in my opinion.”
    That doesn’t mean the hype hasn’t spiked prices. “Just look at the junky AK-47 clones, which were $500 and now going for $900,” he said.
    As a part-time business, Erik Srigley makes custom holsters, some of which were on display in Stillwater last week. He said he has never been busier. Some of the uptick he attributes to fears about Obama, but he also hears people say they expect the poor economy to lead to more crime.
    Across the room, another dealer who would identify himself only as Ken was selling a wide range of firearms, including a few of the ones Rosenberg jokingly calls “the evil black gun.”
    “So far, Obama has been a better gun salesman than [President] Bill Clinton,” the dealer said. “The runup started a couple of months before the election, when people began to realize Obama might win handily. Most retailers have increased prices about 20 percent.”
    When Ken went to his first show after the election in Hastings, sales were “two to three times” normal. Then, a few weeks ago in Faribault, “they were at least double,” he said. “But this won’t last forever.”
    Jon Tevlin • 612-673-1702

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
    #45767

    He’s starting economic progress already. Increase in gun sales!!!

    Only the conspiracy theorists are dumb enough to fall for this line of thinking.

    kooty
    Keymaster
    1 hour 15 mins to the Pond
    Posts: 18101
    #45801

    Cougar,

    You should look up our new prez’s voting record when it comes to gun laws. He is not our friend. So, the conspiracy theorist may not be so far off on this one. Let’s hope they and I are wrong, but this guy is uber scary for us law abiding outdoorsman. See the bill being pushed to serial number ammo. Just more stupid stuff the government will use to further take away our rights.

    riveratt
    Central Wisconsin US-of-A
    Posts: 1464
    #45804

    Its extremely obvious Prez O is going to make “gun control” priority number one. Look at the voting records of the cabinet is he building and well as his and Obiden’s.

    Be afraid. Be very afraid. But get active and make your voices heard!

    chris-tuckner
    Hastings/Isle MN
    Posts: 12318
    #45813

    Join the NRA. It’s cheap, and the numbers help talk for all of us. It’s at least something, and you can say you DID something about it.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59998
    #45847

    I think it’s going to be the “high capacity” mags that will be the first to go…again.

    All I can say is that Jami Ritter and I won’t be giving up our weapons easily!

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22554
    #45866

    I used to belong to the NRA…. seems all my money went to sending me more mail, to contribute more….. Every democratic prez has been taking my guns everytime they get in office…. I still have mine Something about the “right to keep and bear arms”

    big G

    riveratt
    Central Wisconsin US-of-A
    Posts: 1464
    #45867

    Yep the right to bear arms. Something that was recently challenged and upheld..BY ONE LOUSY VOTE!!! Anyone wonder why that wasn’t unanimous? I sure wonder. The single most important Constitutional Amendment and it only lives by ONE VOTE! But no worry. The next administration will only be appointing 2, maybe 3, Supreme Court Justices. After seeing the cabinet he is assembling I’m sure 2A is more than safe.

    I wish the NRA would cut down on the mailings but it is all but impossible to find another single organization that does more as efficiently as the NRA. For those that either don’t belong to the NRA or left for whatever reason what other group did you join? I know some exist so let’s be sure to give them equal airtime in order to help protect gun owners rights.

    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
    #45900

    Gun control #1? Not if he wants to get re-elected. Are you guys serious? What’s #2, abortion? #3 we go back to prohibition?

    This is funny stuff! And when does the cabinet get a vote? Aren’t laws generated in the house and senate, where he is not any longer and the president just gets to approve or veto.

    It sounds like I’d better go buy some crazy gun. I’ll put it right next to my food/water from Y2K, the bird flu masks, down in my fallout shelter.

    ET

    riveratt
    Central Wisconsin US-of-A
    Posts: 1464
    #45902

    Re-read my post cougar. I did NOT say gun control is #1. I said the Second Amendment is number one. There is a HUGE difference believe me. You don’t think 2A is the most important amendment? Well ok maybe not. But let’s see. Next time the Second Amendment is challenged, and it will be sooner than later, let’s presume it gets overturned. Ah no big deal. Still have the Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Religion, Freedom to Gather, and so on right? Or do you? With no further means of protection does a person have any rights at all? Ignorance says yes. Common sense says no. It just never fails to amaze me how complacent some can be. Our friends, brothers, sisters, mothers, and fathers went to war, many of whom DIED, in order to give us the Freedoms we have. And yet sadly people arrogantly take them for granted always assuming someone else will take care of it if ever they are challenged.

    Who said the cabinet gets a vote? Maybe we need a scratch pad here instead of text, maybe drawing this out would be better. Look if Prez O is surrounding himself with extreme anti gunners, and he very obviously is, why on earth would anyone think he’d appoint anything but a similar person to the Supreme Court? For crying out loud it is like a huge, flashing, neon sign screaming “WAKE UP PEOPLE!”

    I’m sure I’m completely off base in my reaction to your sarcasm. And maybe you don’t really feel what you’ve typed. I’m sorry. But it is people who think exactly as you typed that have led to where we are. Fighting to keep our freedoms. Sad. But don’t worry. While those types of people are busy sticking their heads in the sand others will be busy watching their six.

    Just remember this. People with guns are citizens. People without guns are subjects.

    Quote:


    “Gun control has cleared the way for seven major genocides since 1915, in which governments gone bad murdered 56,000,000 persons, including millions of children.”

    -Aaron Zelman of Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership




    Quote:


    “Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself! They are the American people’s Liberty Teeth and keystone under Independence. From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to insure peace, security, and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere, restrains evil interference — they deserve a place of honor with all that’s good!”

    –President George Washington, in a speech to Congress. 7 January, 1790


    cougareye
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 4145
    #45907

    The 4th post in this thread has a line that basically states, “President O is going to make “gun control” priority number one”.

    I don’t think I misread that. It’s not anti-American or an insult to those who’ve fought for this country to point out the ridiculous comments that are obviously political in nature. The references to a president elect who has yet to set foot in the white house as someone who’s going to come in and take away the 2nd amendment, part of the original Bill of Rights, is not that far removed from those during the campaign that would not vote for him due to race, religion, and the fact that he represented the other political party than the one you choose.

    What’s insulting as an American is to think that reasonable gun control laws aimed at preventing criminal activity is going to open the door for our government to committ genocide. Did you really type that? Genocide?

    Do you think when you type or do you just copy/paste stuff from some crazy websites?

    Really makes me wonder. Keep up the posts by the way, you’re the best form of keeping others from thinking like you do.

    ET

    timmy
    Posts: 1960
    #45908

    The new pres will NOT strip all of our rights on one swoop. That isn’t the way it works. His anti-gun voting record in the past shows the tendencies he has, though.

    Changing and restricting our rights is like moving a giant boulder without any equipment…. It is too big to move at once. Take a little hammer and start chipping away, though and the story changes. Over time, that boulder can be reduced to a pile of fine sand. Fine sand, even a huge pile of it that used to be a boulder, can be easily blown away…..blown away on the winds of CHANGE. And all it takes is perseverance and a little tiny hammer….chip, chip, chip……

    Take a look at some of his common sense gun laws. “no gun sales within 5 miles of a church or school”. In his home state that would eliminate ALL existing gun shops…..common sense? Yeah right.

    I am very afraid of losing my rights. The main threat I see is that the populace does not seem to care when some of these rights are taken away a little at a time. I hear the comments frequently – comments like : “I don’t care if they restrict such and such….who cares, because it doesn’t affect me”…….the trend is in place and I am fearful.

    Tim

    riveratt
    Central Wisconsin US-of-A
    Posts: 1464
    #45914

    Quote:


    What’s insulting as an American is to think that reasonable gun control laws aimed at preventing criminal activity is going to open the door for our government to committ genocide. Did you really type that? Genocide?


    Seems to far fetched for some huh? I guess it is your right to ignore history. Don’t worry either as other braves souls will surly step in and save your bacon should push come to shove.

    If you’re eyes are too glazed over from the awesome new president elect and his promise of change then so be it. But it is extremely clear to me and countless others like me what he is up to. Remember if it looks like a duck it is most likely a duck.

    Go ahead and try to insult my intelligence all you want. Makes no difference to me. You sure don’t have to believe in what I do but you damn sure better not make the mistake to think your ignorance in history and planning ahead will sway others to do the same. Making fun of Y2K, bomb shelters, and bottled water spoke volumes to me about you. No where did I see you telling everyone of your better plan or how wrong they are for planning for the worst. Typical Monday morning quarterback. Whine when things go bad and chastise when people guess wrong. What qualities.

    One last thing. Bird flu is real. It is a real problem. But don’t worry. Someone else will take steps to protect you from that as well.

    stillakid2
    Roberts, WI
    Posts: 4603
    #46001

    Timmy’s post is right on…. just look at how our social standards have changed in the last 20 years….30 years….40 years….50 years….. and what, pray tell, is actually improving? “Rights” are being challenged all the time and it’s always someone else’s ideal that they will accomplish some added level of utopian existance if they can control the issue they disagree with. So far, parenting is probably the most obvious example. Little by little they chipped away at the boulder and now look where we are. People are afraid of traumatizing their child if they discipline them….or getting sued….or getting reported as abusive. And what do the kids get out of it? A lot of confusion. But this was the intent of free thinkers decades ago. Start forcing change through the youth. Change the views of the children and you’ll change the future of modern society. There’s too many who think that each chip of the stone is no big deal.

    Look around….. when a bunch of kids can trespass onto a farmer’s property, have a fight that injures one of the kids, and sue the farmer and win…….what kind of message does that send to the youth? To a community? To a law abiding, hard working member of society?

    We can scoff all we want to but look at what the histories of other nations can show us and compare it to the history we appear to be writing…..we’re headed in a bad direction and there’s a lot of money, special interest, and positions of power aligning their BELIEF, not their researched findings, their BELIEF that they can reduce the sufferings of human kind by nationalizing health care, and banning self-defense rights, up to and including the right to bear arms.

    20 years ago, who’d have thought that the definition of marriage would be under fire??? Well guess what, I can remember some “religious fanatics” stating over 30 years ago that they believed the current social trends were going to lead to such extremes that it may actually threat the very definition of a man, a woman, maybe even marriage itself, and they were laughed at. Completely dismissed as ridiculous, fearful speculation…….and low and behold, it now appears they were onto something.

    These people getting into office right now believe they can tax us into prosperity, provided we do it their way. But who really prospers? History will show that they’re not so different from what’s already been tried and it’s failed. But somehow, they’re above all this. And somehow, so many of us think “that can’t happen here”.

    We were also once led to believe that a depression could never happen in the USA again because of all the safety guards put in place to prevent it. We’re on the brink of economic collapse!

    Scientists now think that the increasing rate of the expansion of our universe is coming from a “dark energy” called “NOTHING”!!! They’re spending millions trying to discover “NOTHING”….. where it comes from and how it works!!!

    This is man, left to his own vices, in a nutshell. I thunk it, so therefore it’s good enough. And these same thinkers are trying to change America……by changing what America is. Free thinking with the absence of discipline will result in chaos and opposition. Look at the last 50 years…..what’s really improving???

    When no one is forced to live with choices, why be concerned over the choice we…..or someone else makes?

    Little by little, we’re falling apart and while I think we all have our own contributions to this, I for one am noticing that “progressive thinking” is only all to often arrogance feeding ignorance because we think we’re better and more capable than those that came before us.

    It can even be argued that prior to having a USA, no republic system had ever succeeded before it. It was professed to be impossible because the differences of the people are too great to keep it together. Well, look at where we are now and realize, if the US fails, the historians will again be right. No republic ever succeeded. So……dig deep…….what do we really believe in? Life is never fair and utopia will never exist in this world. What are you fighting for? The success of a republic or the accuracy of a historian?

    “We must learn to embrace our differences….as long as you’re not religious…..or a republican……..or a democrat……..or an immigrant…….or straight…..or a hunter/gun owner……. or stricken with good health……or too much success…..or unwilling to let lawbreakers get properly punished…..and so on and so forth”. Progressively more complex. Progressively more confused. Progressively beaten down, divided, and defeated.

    Think about it……

    perchhead
    Posts: 329
    #46990

    Amen Riverratt I could not have said it better myself!

    perchhead
    Posts: 329
    #46991

    Fact cougereye ADOLF HITLER disarmed Germany when he began his reign of terror and the geocide of the jews!

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