Muzzleloader scope Help

I believe that I will not have a problem getting a special permit allowing me to scope my muzzleloader this upcomming season. I believe Minnesota law limites scopes to single power only. My question is am I better off with a traditional crosshair single power scope or better off with a Red dot type of scope? I really want it to gather as much light as possible as most of my shots seem to come at extreamly low light times. I would like something that would keep me accurate out to about 100 yards or so. I’m also thinking of replacing my 50 Cal with a 45 Cal. I would like to know all of your thoughts on this as well. I hear that the 45 cals are more accurate and have more than enough energy to get the job done on whitetails. Thanks in advance for all of your responses to this post. Good luck to all this upcoming season and be safe!!!!!

Welcome to the site Buck Wacker What are you shooting for a muzzy now ? I have the perfect advice if it is a Thompson… .45 or .50 caliber, guess I have not heard that one is more accurate ???

big G

I’m currently shooting a 50 Cal Thompson Center Omega

Welcome to In-Depth Outdoors Buckwacker!

I’m not sure if it is true but I was told that 45 Cal have a higher ballistic coefficient and thus a flatter trajectory. I know alot of 50 cal shooters who are using a sabot loaded with 45 Cal bullets for this reason. It just seems to make since if you are going to use a saboted 45 cal bullet in a 50 cal muzzleloader why not just shoot a 45 Cal and not have to mess with sabots. I know the one guy who shoots a 45 Cal shoots way better groups than I can. Then again he may just be a better shot than me (Most likely the case)

Welcome to In-Depth Outdoors Buck Wacker!!!

I don’t know about the 1x regulations, but if I use my muzzy for shotgun zone, I will be getting one of these

Omega Scope

big G

I have a red dot on my muzzle loader and I do not like it. It is terrible as far as light gathering. I want to get a single power scope.

You are correct the .45 does have better ballistics than the .50 the problem you’ll have by going to the .45 is finding accessories. They are out there but most stores carry a limited selection for the .45 cal. As far as the scope goes I would go with the crosshairs over the red dot. For low light conditions at extended range I had a problem with it being too bright, even on the lowest brightness. I have a friend who has the crosshairs and he drives tacks at 100 yds. One other problem I had with the red dot was if you were shooting towards the sunset, I could not see my red dot most of the times, even on the brightest setting. My red dot now sits in the closet collecting dust. Just my .o2

I do not use a scope but I do shoot a TC .45 cal Omega and love it. I will agree that ammo and accessories can be hard to find though. I wish MN would allow some optics, I know the gun can shoot far better than I can see with the open sights…

Welcome BW, like others have said shoot a 50 cal. with a sabot, I did alot of shooting this fall with both of mine, cva shoots a 100grn. load and t/c shoots a 150 grn. load, with sighting in 1″ high at 50yards the cva was 3″ low at 100 yards, but the t/c actually was 3″ high at 100yards.
For the scope only your eye sight can tell you what works best. You just need to go to a sporting goods store and try some out. Good luck.

Oh yeah and I almost forgot…If you plan on going out West with your smokepole some states a .45 is not legal.

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I don’t know about the 1x regulations, but if I use my muzzy for shotgun zone, I will be getting one of these

Omega Scope

big G

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G how many grn’s are you shooting?

100…2 x 777 pellets.. 245 grain PowerBelts in Hollow point and Aero tipped.

big G

I think with that scope you need to shoot 150 grn for it to work correctly unless they have came out with a new one.

If I do put the scope on and use for shotgun zone, I will kick it up to 150 and sight it to 200 yards. Right now, I won’t shoot over 100 yards with open sights

big G

Before you buy the scope go to the gun range and shoot a few rounds with 150 grn you might change your mind as you will find it will pack one heck of a punch.

Do not quote me but I think Nikon make another one for rifles with the BDC reticle that would also work with your muzzle loader and 100 grn.

Actually when I first got my muzzloader, I was shooting 150 gr. A guy at the range asked me why I was shooting that much at the 100 yard range. He told me to use 100 for 100 yards and I switched it right then and there and it made little difference at 100 yards. The Omega doesn’t kick too bad with 150 gr. I was under the assumption, if you plan on shooting over 100 yards, you should up the powder accordingly… I shot a buddys Omega, with the Nikon scope and 150 gr, and I was shooting 4 inch groups at 150 yards… I was impressed with that.

big G

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I think with that scope you need to shoot 150 grn for it to work correctly unless they have came out with a new one.

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Steve that scope will work well with any powder charge and any grain bullet. When they tell you that if you zero it at 100 with 150gr. of powder and a 245gr. bullet, then your second reticle will be right on at 150 yards, that is just a reference point. In other words they have done the legwork for you to tell you what that combo will do. If you alter the combo you just need to take it to the range to find out where the 2nd an 3rd reticle will be on outside of 100yd.

Anyone see the Cabela’s Flyer this week? What is the difference between the T/C Pro Hunter Endevor on page 6 for $749 and the T/C Pro Hunter for $649 in the insert that says The ultimate firearm sale. The insert is not shown online that I can find.

Here is the Info. from Thompson Centers Web site:

ENCORE ENDEAVOR
Thompson/Center has improved its already impressive Encore Pro Hunter™ with the addition of the new Encore Endeavor™. equipped with the revolutionary features of the Pro Hunter™, the Endeavor™ goes even further with its beautiful detail and added innovation. The Endeavor™ includes Speed Breech XT™, the only breech plug that can be completely removed by hand with only a 90 degree rotation. New Energy Burners™ are included in each FlexTech™ stock… these strategically placed spring coils are designed for greater movement and energy absorption, reducing stock shock and vibration up to 50% while reducing noise up to 20 decibels.

T/C’s Encore Endeavor… the ultimate gun for the ultimate adventure.

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SPEED BREECH XT™
Like the Speed Breech™, the XT™ reduces fouling by 95%, needs no cleaning, never seizes, and now it can be removed by hand. No tools, no mess, 90° and out…

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ENERGY BURNERS™
A rubber coil of arcs, that when placed at precise location in the stock achieves the maximum amount of shock absorption. More than any other stock innovation on the market.

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QLA™
All T/C muzzleloading rifles come with the patented feature QLA™ (Quick Load Accurizor). QLA™ allows the hunter or shooter to quickly and easily load their rifle by incorporating a false muzzle design into the barrel of the rifle. Accuracy is enhanced through the QLA™ design by aligning the projectile with the rifling. The projectile is supported while the hunter or shooter is loading his rifle to assure the projectile is started exactly perpendicular with the rifling. The secret behind the QLA™ is only removing the rifling (.0005 of material) while maintaining the groove depth of the bore. Other “muzzle guiding systems” only aid in starting your projectile; they do not work as a true false muzzle and cannot deliver the enhanced accuracy of the QLA™ design.

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T/C’S POWER ROD™
The patented pivoting handle (Patent no. 6,145,235 Nov. 14, 2000) is integral with the solid aluminum ramrod. This convenient low profile handle eliminates the need for a palm saver or T-handle and makes loading your rifle quicker and less painful. Powder Rod® allows the hunter to load his rifle in the field more uniformly by applying the same seating pressure shot after shot. Hunters using Powder Rod® can now enjoy the same accuracy they get at the range using a range rod.

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FlexTech™ TECHNOLOGY
Rifles have become unmanageable to shoot with today’s magnum muzzleloading charges and ultra magnum cartridges. T/C has tamed these hard pounding rifles with their new FlexTech™ stock system. T/C’s Master Gunmakers teamed up with Limbsaver®, known for their recoil reduction technology, to develop a process to absorb shock and vibration. The FlexTech™ stock (patent-pending) by T/C lessens felt recoil by 43% and absorbs the harmful recoil and vibration that punishes the shooter and damages or loosens scopes. It incorporates four synthetic recoil absorbing arches that operate like a leaf spring. This creates a crush zone that allows the stock to compress during the recoil process. Each coil is unique in length allowing them to cancel different pitches and frequencies created during the shot. Every shooter’s style and body type is different. The FlexTech™ system with patented NAVCOM™ material conforms to your shoulder and puts 50% more shock-absorbing material against your shoulder to disperse the recoil.

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E-Z TIP EXTRACTOR™
This solid one-piece extractor features an all-steel design, and can be rotated to either the left or right hand side to allow easy access to the Speed BreechXT™. Simply rotate the extractor to one side or the other. There is a plunger on the bottom of the lug that locks the extractor into place when it is rotated to its upright position. Assuring perfect alignment with the Speed BreechXT™. The extractor also operates as a safety mechanism to assure the Speed BreechXT™ is locked into position. If the Speed BreechXT™ is not locked into position the extractor will not drop into the machined recess of the breech