Jim Zumbo

  • farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3666
    #209851

    Have many of you been following the statements, and the removal of all Jim Zumbo’s writtings, Sponsorships, and shows based on what he said regarding so called “black” (AR15, military style rifles). After writing this, he was thrown under the bus, and is pretty much being removed from everything he has done with the shooting/hunting sports.

    Here it is for those of you who have not seen it.

    Assault Rifles For Hunters?

    As I write this, I’m hunting coyotes in southeastern Wyoming with Eddie Stevenson, PR Manager for Remington Arms, Greg Dennison, who is senior research engineer for Remington, and several writers. We’re testing Remington’s brand new .17 cal Spitfire bullet on coyotes.

    I must be living in a vacuum. The guides on our hunt tell me that the use of AR and AK rifles have a rapidly growing following among hunters, especially prairie dog hunters. I had no clue. Only once in my life have I ever seen anyone using one of these firearms.

    I call them “assault” rifles, which may upset some people. Excuse me, maybe I’m a traditionalist, but I see no place for these weapons among our hunting fraternity. I’ll go so far as to call them “terrorist” rifles. They tell me that some companies are producing assault rifles that are “tackdrivers.”

    Sorry, folks, in my humble opinion, these things have no place in hunting. We don’t need to be lumped into the group of people who terrorize the world with them, which is an obvious concern. I’ve always been comfortable with the statement that hunters don’t use assault rifles. We’ve always been proud of our “sporting firearms.”

    This really has me concerned. As hunters, we don’t need the image of walking around the woods carrying one of these weapons. To most of the public, an assault rifle is a terrifying thing. Let’s divorce ourselves from them. I say game departments should ban them from the praries and woods.

    Just interested in some other thoughts

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3666
    #29500

    OUTDOOR LIFE AND JIM ZUMBO PART WAYS

    Outdoor Life magazine Editor-in-Chief Todd Smith released the following statement today regarding writer Jim Zumbo:

    In light of comments made by Jim Zumbo in his February 16, 2007 blog posting on the magazine’s website, Mr. Zumbo has offered to terminate his association with Outdoor Life, and the magazine has accepted his offer. Accordingly, he will no longer be contributing to the magazine in print or online. His final column with Outdoor Life will appear in the April 2007 issue, which has already gone to press.

    We respect Mr. Zumbo’s First Amendment right to free speech, and we acknowledge his subsequent apology and admission of error. However, Outdoor Life has always been, and will always be, a steadfast supporter of all aspects of the shooting sports and our Second Amendment rights, which do not make distinctions based on the appearance of the firearms we choose to own, shoot or hunt with.

    We regret this turn of events, as Mr. Zumbo has been a good friend to this magazine and lifelong advocate for hunters and hunting rights.

    We appreciate the comments we’ve received from our loyal readers about this matter and encourage them to continue to correspond with us.

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3666
    #540643

    OUTDOOR LIFE AND JIM ZUMBO PART WAYS

    Outdoor Life magazine Editor-in-Chief Todd Smith released the following statement today regarding writer Jim Zumbo:

    In light of comments made by Jim Zumbo in his February 16, 2007 blog posting on the magazine’s website, Mr. Zumbo has offered to terminate his association with Outdoor Life, and the magazine has accepted his offer. Accordingly, he will no longer be contributing to the magazine in print or online. His final column with Outdoor Life will appear in the April 2007 issue, which has already gone to press.

    We respect Mr. Zumbo’s First Amendment right to free speech, and we acknowledge his subsequent apology and admission of error. However, Outdoor Life has always been, and will always be, a steadfast supporter of all aspects of the shooting sports and our Second Amendment rights, which do not make distinctions based on the appearance of the firearms we choose to own, shoot or hunt with.

    We regret this turn of events, as Mr. Zumbo has been a good friend to this magazine and lifelong advocate for hunters and hunting rights.

    We appreciate the comments we’ve received from our loyal readers about this matter and encourage them to continue to correspond with us.

    garvi
    LACROSSE WI
    Posts: 1137
    #29501

    Sorry I can’t see what he said was so bad ??? and I sort of agree with him.

    garvi
    LACROSSE WI
    Posts: 1137
    #540652

    Sorry I can’t see what he said was so bad ??? and I sort of agree with him.

    bret_clark
    Sparta, WI
    Posts: 9361
    #29502

    Open moth and insert foot I always enjoyed Jim Zumbo’s shows and articles. I think he just had a week moment and forgot he was in the lime light and wrote what was on his mind. It is too bad when someone of his stature is jumped all over by the public for sharing his opinions, it happens all the time to celebrities. I don’t agree with him but, it doesn’t make me think any less of his skills as an avid outdoors man and writer.
    I would not like to see any such restriction on these firearms but see the penalties for miss use carried out to there fullest.

    bret_clark
    Sparta, WI
    Posts: 9361
    #540663

    Open moth and insert foot I always enjoyed Jim Zumbo’s shows and articles. I think he just had a week moment and forgot he was in the lime light and wrote what was on his mind. It is too bad when someone of his stature is jumped all over by the public for sharing his opinions, it happens all the time to celebrities. I don’t agree with him but, it doesn’t make me think any less of his skills as an avid outdoors man and writer.
    I would not like to see any such restriction on these firearms but see the penalties for miss use carried out to there fullest.

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3666
    #29503

    I think the big problem was when he refered to them as “terrorist weapons”. There are a ton of hunting sites out there that blew up and Remington had millions of calls and emails calling for his head.

    Remington has pulled his sponsorship, the OLN network has canceled his show, Outdoor life has fired him as a writer.

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3666
    #540665

    I think the big problem was when he refered to them as “terrorist weapons”. There are a ton of hunting sites out there that blew up and Remington had millions of calls and emails calling for his head.

    Remington has pulled his sponsorship, the OLN network has canceled his show, Outdoor life has fired him as a writer.

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4749
    #29504

    I agree with him 100% Its MORE than what he said… If someone were to invent an auto crossbow that fire a firestorm of arrows all at once they would sell a zillion of those too. I was in Wyoming 2 yrs ago and witnessed two of the hired hands shooting at a dog(stray) about 100yds away with AR 15s…as fast as they could fire…they finally hit him in the hind leg after 30-40 shots…it was pitiful.
    FIREPOWER does not make the hunter…Hunting skills do!

    I’m thinking of going to a single shot rifle myself…that way I get one shot and I better make it count…

    tom_gursky
    Michigan's Upper Peninsula(Iron Mountain)
    Posts: 4749
    #540671

    I agree with him 100% Its MORE than what he said… If someone were to invent an auto crossbow that fire a firestorm of arrows all at once they would sell a zillion of those too. I was in Wyoming 2 yrs ago and witnessed two of the hired hands shooting at a dog(stray) about 100yds away with AR 15s…as fast as they could fire…they finally hit him in the hind leg after 30-40 shots…it was pitiful.
    FIREPOWER does not make the hunter…Hunting skills do!

    I’m thinking of going to a single shot rifle myself…that way I get one shot and I better make it count…

    bret_clark
    Sparta, WI
    Posts: 9361
    #29505

    Quote:


    I was in Wyoming 2 yrs ago and witnessed two of the hired hands shooting at a dog(stray) about 100yds away with AR 15s…as fast as they could fire…they finally hit him in the hind leg after 30-40 shots…it was pitiful.
    FIREPOWER does not make the hunter…Hunting skills do!


    I agree with you that it was a sad sight, but it was not the gun, it was the person’s shooting them at the dog. I have seen the same thing from a distance watching deer drives. They open fire as fast as they can and these guns were just your everyday semi-autos or hamburger makers as I call them, but still it was not the guns fault!

    I also agree Jim should have left out the word terrorist!

    bret_clark
    Sparta, WI
    Posts: 9361
    #540674

    Quote:


    I was in Wyoming 2 yrs ago and witnessed two of the hired hands shooting at a dog(stray) about 100yds away with AR 15s…as fast as they could fire…they finally hit him in the hind leg after 30-40 shots…it was pitiful.
    FIREPOWER does not make the hunter…Hunting skills do!


    I agree with you that it was a sad sight, but it was not the gun, it was the person’s shooting them at the dog. I have seen the same thing from a distance watching deer drives. They open fire as fast as they can and these guns were just your everyday semi-autos or hamburger makers as I call them, but still it was not the guns fault!

    I also agree Jim should have left out the word terrorist!

    sean-lyons
    Waterloo, IA and Hager City Wi.
    Posts: 674
    #29506

    Bret’s right, it’s the operator, not the gun. If you know what you’re doing, an AR is good to at least 300m with open sights, further scoped.

    sean-lyons
    Waterloo, IA and Hager City Wi.
    Posts: 674
    #540689

    Bret’s right, it’s the operator, not the gun. If you know what you’re doing, an AR is good to at least 300m with open sights, further scoped.

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3666
    #29507

    I agree that bad people (notice I did not say hunters, or sportsmen) can spray a ton of bullets, but I can do the same thing with any other semi auto on the market. That does not make it right, but where do you draw the line on “good” and “Bad” guns Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.

    And for the record, this is being discussed as much in the anti hunting/shooting groups as it is with sportsmen.

    farmboy1
    Mantorville, MN
    Posts: 3666
    #540691

    I agree that bad people (notice I did not say hunters, or sportsmen) can spray a ton of bullets, but I can do the same thing with any other semi auto on the market. That does not make it right, but where do you draw the line on “good” and “Bad” guns Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.

    And for the record, this is being discussed as much in the anti hunting/shooting groups as it is with sportsmen.

    rkd-jim
    Fountain City, WI.
    Posts: 1606
    #29508

    I tend to agree with Zumbo with regard to the appearance of the AR 15 and the AK. Since when is the “firepower” of a firearm considered a plus in the hunting sports? The shooting sports are under the scrutiny of every “anti” organization there is. Why give them additional “ammo” unnecessarily? What ever happened to taking pride in taking game humanely? One shot—-one kill. If these calibers are such “tackdrivers”, don’t the firearms companies make them in hunting style models? A hail of gunfire does not sound like a hunting situation.

    In any walk of life when a person is subjected to something for the first time, their first impression of that encounter is most of the time a lasting one. If a person with little or no hunting experience, ie. a bird-watcher, photographer or naturalist, encounters someone in the hunting woods carrying an AR 15 or AK-style firearm, the first thing that would pop into their head is a picture of a terrorist that has been pounded into our head by the media since 9-11. On the other hand, if they saw someone carrying a .270 bolt or any other caliber, they would see them as a hunter. Which impression would and should we as hunters, leave in the mind of others that do not enjoy the sport that we do?

    rkd-jim
    Fountain City, WI.
    Posts: 1606
    #540693

    I tend to agree with Zumbo with regard to the appearance of the AR 15 and the AK. Since when is the “firepower” of a firearm considered a plus in the hunting sports? The shooting sports are under the scrutiny of every “anti” organization there is. Why give them additional “ammo” unnecessarily? What ever happened to taking pride in taking game humanely? One shot—-one kill. If these calibers are such “tackdrivers”, don’t the firearms companies make them in hunting style models? A hail of gunfire does not sound like a hunting situation.

    In any walk of life when a person is subjected to something for the first time, their first impression of that encounter is most of the time a lasting one. If a person with little or no hunting experience, ie. a bird-watcher, photographer or naturalist, encounters someone in the hunting woods carrying an AR 15 or AK-style firearm, the first thing that would pop into their head is a picture of a terrorist that has been pounded into our head by the media since 9-11. On the other hand, if they saw someone carrying a .270 bolt or any other caliber, they would see them as a hunter. Which impression would and should we as hunters, leave in the mind of others that do not enjoy the sport that we do?

    john23
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 2586
    #29509

    Zumbo will probably end up better off in the long run. I resubscribed to Outdoor Life last fall after many years. I bought it from a neighbor kid for a fundraiser, and I wish I had just given her $20 instead. I also wish they’d print that rag on softer paper because then it wouldn’t be so rough to wipe with.

    I couldn’t care less about what people are shooting at a range or keeping in their closets/safes, and I absolutely support anyone’s right to own any gun. But I’ll tell you this: there’s no way I’m going to hunt with any joker carrying an AR-15 or any gun that looks like one. Good thing I don’t write for Outdoor Life.

    john23
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 2586
    #540694

    Zumbo will probably end up better off in the long run. I resubscribed to Outdoor Life last fall after many years. I bought it from a neighbor kid for a fundraiser, and I wish I had just given her $20 instead. I also wish they’d print that rag on softer paper because then it wouldn’t be so rough to wipe with.

    I couldn’t care less about what people are shooting at a range or keeping in their closets/safes, and I absolutely support anyone’s right to own any gun. But I’ll tell you this: there’s no way I’m going to hunt with any joker carrying an AR-15 or any gun that looks like one. Good thing I don’t write for Outdoor Life.

    robby
    Quad Cities
    Posts: 2839
    #29510

    I have been following this for a week or so now. He is finished. Ted Nugent is attempting to save him. Dumbo now sleeps in the bed he has made.

    robby
    Quad Cities
    Posts: 2839
    #540707

    I have been following this for a week or so now. He is finished. Ted Nugent is attempting to save him. Dumbo now sleeps in the bed he has made.

    mpearson
    Chippewa Falls, WI
    Posts: 4337
    #29512

    Quote:


    Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.


    Right on!! And as far as that goes…there are no “bad guns”, just bad people with guns!

    And from what I’ve read, Jim Zumbo has nothing to apologize for.

    mpearson
    Chippewa Falls, WI
    Posts: 4337
    #540727

    Quote:


    Guns don’t kill people, people kill people.


    Right on!! And as far as that goes…there are no “bad guns”, just bad people with guns!

    And from what I’ve read, Jim Zumbo has nothing to apologize for.

    sharkbait
    The mud puddle in western Ks
    Posts: 347
    #29513

    I think I’ll blame my computer on misspelled words and stupid comments.Sounds fair doesn’t it.I love to use ak look alikes mini 14’s and ar’s on coyotes and prairie dogs.They are easy handling and if practiced with some are very accurate.I don’t spray and pray hunt but if a couple coyotes come in it is nice having a quick second shot.Same thing with prairie dogs see em and shoot em.

    sharkbait
    The mud puddle in western Ks
    Posts: 347
    #540753

    I think I’ll blame my computer on misspelled words and stupid comments.Sounds fair doesn’t it.I love to use ak look alikes mini 14’s and ar’s on coyotes and prairie dogs.They are easy handling and if practiced with some are very accurate.I don’t spray and pray hunt but if a couple coyotes come in it is nice having a quick second shot.Same thing with prairie dogs see em and shoot em.

    robstenger
    Northern Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 11370
    #29516

    Quote:


    FIREPOWER does not make the hunter…Hunting skills do!


    So True.

    Quote:


    I couldn’t care less about what people are shooting at a range or keeping in their closets/safes, and I absolutely support anyone’s right to own any gun.


    I couldn’t agree more John.

    I may be more of a traditionalist then I thought. Personally, I agree with Jim Zumbo. It is my right to do so. I personally think those guns do not belong in the hunting world. That is my opinion. However, if they are legal to do so, a person has every right to use one if they wish too. That is their choice to do so. I look at hunting as a challenge and going 1 on 1 with natures critters. To me there is not much sport in dropping 40-50 shells at a animal X distance. His sponsors need to do what they see fit as the public is a strong $ contributor to any company.

    I just wish one of these Gun companies had the “Cahones” to stand behind Jim and be able to see his point. I believe his main point even know I think he got side tracked was that: These AR guns have there place in the world and in my opinion the great outdoors is not one of them.

    The gun makers, public and hopefully law makers need to be able to draw a line and recognize weapons for hunting and weapons for other uses IMO.

    I also agree that “terrorist” rifle was proably not the best choice of word.

    robstenger
    Northern Twin Cities, MN
    Posts: 11370
    #540780

    Quote:


    FIREPOWER does not make the hunter…Hunting skills do!


    So True.

    Quote:


    I couldn’t care less about what people are shooting at a range or keeping in their closets/safes, and I absolutely support anyone’s right to own any gun.


    I couldn’t agree more John.

    I may be more of a traditionalist then I thought. Personally, I agree with Jim Zumbo. It is my right to do so. I personally think those guns do not belong in the hunting world. That is my opinion. However, if they are legal to do so, a person has every right to use one if they wish too. That is their choice to do so. I look at hunting as a challenge and going 1 on 1 with natures critters. To me there is not much sport in dropping 40-50 shells at a animal X distance. His sponsors need to do what they see fit as the public is a strong $ contributor to any company.

    I just wish one of these Gun companies had the “Cahones” to stand behind Jim and be able to see his point. I believe his main point even know I think he got side tracked was that: These AR guns have there place in the world and in my opinion the great outdoors is not one of them.

    The gun makers, public and hopefully law makers need to be able to draw a line and recognize weapons for hunting and weapons for other uses IMO.

    I also agree that “terrorist” rifle was proably not the best choice of word.

    mpearson
    Chippewa Falls, WI
    Posts: 4337
    #29519

    Quote:


    They need to be able to draw a line and recognize weapons for hutning and weapons for other uses IMO.


    Right on Rip! Like I said before…there are “Shooting Sports” and there are “Hunting Sports”! Obviously Jim should’ve chosen his words more carefully, but in theory I would agree with him 100%.

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