Multi Round Live Fire! Tuesday Evening

  • Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #209833

    I came home from Bill’s Gun Shop and Range in Circle Pines late last night. I was invited to help test out the new IDA Multi Round Live Fire course, designed primarily for…well, you!

    I’ve often wondered if the stories were true about the soldiers in the Civil War. I’ve heard that many rifles were found with 4 or 5 balls and powder charges stacked in the barrel. This happened it is thought, because in the height of a war using muzzle loaders the soldier would pull the trigger and reload whether or not his gun went off.

    Tonight made me a believer. Towards the end of the course that I’ll explain in detail later, I pulled my trigger on my Glock and it went “click”….AHHH! No round in the chamber! I only have 10 seconds to make 10 holes in my target! No problem, I’ll rack the slide…and still have plenty of time….wrong! I squeezed off the trigger again ….”click”!!!! What the…??? NO MAGAZINE IN THE GUN! I slam a 10 round mag in and I had time for ONE SHOT! In those ten seconds I lost what could have been 45 points!

    By the end of the course all seven of us had stories to tell and excuses to make!

    What is a Multi Round Live Fire course?

    In a nutshell, it’s a experience based timed shoot with moving targets, reloading, shooting with one hand, your weak hand and shooting around a barricade. All in low light.

    I was talking with Ryan the manager a few weeks back about having another IDA shoot, but thought we should have something different from shooting at a stationary paper target. With the aid of his employees, they came up with this.

    Position 1.

    The target is on edge at 3 yards, when it turns to face you, you’ll have 20 seconds to shoot (here’s the experience base part comes in) 5 to 10 rounds, reload and fire 10 more rounds. Sounds easy eh?? Well, to score points the shots have to be in two areas of a silhouette target. Newer shooters would use 5 rounds (giving the shooter more time to place the shot correctly) and the more experienced shooter would use 10 rounds…which of course give them less time. I’m going to use 10 rounds in the rest of this example.

    Position 2

    The target turned towards me at 10 yards. I have 25 seconds to shoot 10 rounds, reload and shoot 10 more rounds one handed. Since I was the only one using the laser everyone could see my dot and some asked me why my laser was on they’re target!

    This is certainly not the laid back plinking we are use to!

    Position 3

    The target will turn towards me at 15, 7 and 5 yards. I’ll have 12 seconds at each stop. I pull off my 10 rounds at 15 yards, reload as the targets moving closer at the 7 yard position. It turns and off go another 10 rounds using my one hand only…then reload and when the target turns at the 5 yard position off go 10 more rounds from my WEAK hand supported by my strong hand. I’m proud to say that I didn’t lose any skin off my knuckles tonight. That normally happens to me shooting left handed.

    Position 4

    The target will turn at 18, 12 and 6 yards. I fired my 10 rounds, then reloaded as the target was moving towards me. Popped off 10 more rounds at the 12 yard position and at the 6 yard stop, 10 more rounds went to a smaller area on the target!

    Sound confusing? It’s not at all! At the end of position the next position is explained until everyone understands what they are going to be doing next…and time to reload.

    Position 5

    Using the provided barricade with the target at 10 yards, I placed my 10 shots well….I thought. The from the opposite side of the barricade, I had another 10 shots …I didn’t place them so well…I thought!

    Position 6

    HEY! I’m getting the hang of this! The target turns at 7 yards…CLICK…dang….CLICK…NO!!! As I was sliding in the magazine into the empty gun, for a split second my thoughts went back to the history of the Civil War and how the soldiers could have reloaded after reloading even though their weapons never fired.

    I got one shot off before the target turned…and I knew I was going to score low without those 45 points.

    I finished up the next 20 rounds with disappointment but I knew I could do better in the next session!

    Some were shooting 5 round strings, some 10. That’s why the score is figured in a percentage. So everyone is even. Less experience, less rounds. More experience, more rounds in the same amount of time!

    My score?? 71% Not bad for trying to shoot an unloaded gun!

    That’s what’s fun and entertaining about this type of shoot. We can compete against others, compete against yourself or just practice for real life situations. It sure adds something to the stationary paper target shoot in a heart pumping way!

    The first course will run about 45 minutes. Fifteen minutes of safety class and an explanation of the course, then about a half hour of shooting.

    DATE: January 16th from 6 to 9 pm

    Cost: $12.00 per 6 position session

    As you can tell, this is not for the person that is not familiar with a handgun. Safety is the first priority at Bills. They will have bays open for the novice shooter and some of the more experienced IDA shooters will be there to assist you. Bill’s has rental handguns too!

    Reply here or send a pm if interested or have any questions.

    nick
    Lakeville, MN
    Posts: 4977
    #27596

    I’m so in as long as I get the correct day Great idea!

    nick
    Lakeville, MN
    Posts: 4977
    #514514

    I’m so in as long as I get the correct day Great idea!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #27597

    It’s a Tuesday if that will help Nick!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #514517

    It’s a Tuesday if that will help Nick!

    krisko
    Durand, WI
    Posts: 1364
    #27599

    Brian, I’m really gonna try to make this. I work that day, but I’m sure I can get out a little early to come and do this. How much ammo do we need?

    krisko
    Durand, WI
    Posts: 1364
    #514525

    Brian, I’m really gonna try to make this. I work that day, but I’m sure I can get out a little early to come and do this. How much ammo do we need?

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #27605

    Well, it’s going to be good to FINALLY meet you after brushing me off fishing…

    For ammo, each session can run from 75 to 150 rounds depending on your experiance.

    Jeff, if you want…just tell your boss that you want the day off with pay…if he says anything…just tell him Briank said it was o.k.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #514546

    Well, it’s going to be good to FINALLY meet you after brushing me off fishing…

    For ammo, each session can run from 75 to 150 rounds depending on your experiance.

    Jeff, if you want…just tell your boss that you want the day off with pay…if he says anything…just tell him Briank said it was o.k.

    aquajoe
    Minnetonka, MN.
    Posts: 493
    #27611

    I am in.

    What do you need 10 clips?

    aquajoe
    Minnetonka, MN.
    Posts: 493
    #514578

    I am in.

    What do you need 10 clips?

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #27613

    For auto’s three mags is recommended, however two is the minimum. Bill’s has mags there, generally for less than $20. if you want more.

    For the revolver guys. Two speed loaders are recommended. You can get by with one…and if you don’t feel a need for ever having a speed loader, shooting 5 rounds in place of 10 rounds will give a person enough time to reload by hand.

    That’s what’s nice about the way this course is set up. It can be as easy for the newer shooters, a little harder for the occasional shooter and pretty darn hard for the die hard shooter…all by how much ammo you chose to shoot.

    I had three mags last night. I felt a little intimadated by some of these guys…like Ryan the manager. I swear, he had mags coming out of his…. er…back pockets!

    I miss placed that first it was meant to go here.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #514597

    For auto’s three mags is recommended, however two is the minimum. Bill’s has mags there, generally for less than $20. if you want more.

    For the revolver guys. Two speed loaders are recommended. You can get by with one…and if you don’t feel a need for ever having a speed loader, shooting 5 rounds in place of 10 rounds will give a person enough time to reload by hand.

    That’s what’s nice about the way this course is set up. It can be as easy for the newer shooters, a little harder for the occasional shooter and pretty darn hard for the die hard shooter…all by how much ammo you chose to shoot.

    I had three mags last night. I felt a little intimadated by some of these guys…like Ryan the manager. I swear, he had mags coming out of his…. er…back pockets!

    I miss placed that first it was meant to go here.

    krisko
    Durand, WI
    Posts: 1364
    #27618

    Quote:


    Well, it’s going to be good to FINALLY meet you after brushing me off fishing…

    For ammo, each session can run from 75 to 150 rounds depending on your experiance.

    Jeff, if you want…just tell your boss that you want the day off with pay…if he says anything…just tell him Briank said it was o.k.


    First I have met you…during the ARM event…I carted around Shane and his brother.

    Second…that’s a lot of rounds….guess I’ll have to bring a case. I’m sure my skill level should be around the advanced….atleast it better be.

    Third…I’m gonna see if a couple of the guys from the department would want to go…we all like to shoot. I’m sure I should be able to tell the boss it is for training and he won’t mind too much.

    I actually can’t wait!

    krisko
    Durand, WI
    Posts: 1364
    #514626

    Quote:


    Well, it’s going to be good to FINALLY meet you after brushing me off fishing…

    For ammo, each session can run from 75 to 150 rounds depending on your experiance.

    Jeff, if you want…just tell your boss that you want the day off with pay…if he says anything…just tell him Briank said it was o.k.


    First I have met you…during the ARM event…I carted around Shane and his brother.

    Second…that’s a lot of rounds….guess I’ll have to bring a case. I’m sure my skill level should be around the advanced….atleast it better be.

    Third…I’m gonna see if a couple of the guys from the department would want to go…we all like to shoot. I’m sure I should be able to tell the boss it is for training and he won’t mind too much.

    I actually can’t wait!

    JulieL
    Scandia, MN
    Posts: 149
    #27619

    We are in, though it sounds a little intimidating, but i’m darn good with a camera

    JulieL
    Scandia, MN
    Posts: 149
    #514627

    We are in, though it sounds a little intimidating, but i’m darn good with a camera

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #27621

    Quote:


    First I have met you…during the ARM event…I carted around Shane and his brother.


    Did I give you a load of crap at the arm event?? If I didn’t…I didn’t know it was you!

    Mrs Dancer? Tactical lights are allowed…Your Crimson Trace Laser will give you an advantage if used properly! So leave your tape at home!

    Because of the stops to reload before each position..it will give a person time to remember to breath!

    I think most everyone will feel an adrenaline rush!

    Tip: I would not suggest using a mouse gun the first few times through. The furthest rounds will be at a range of 54 feet.
    If you have a permit to carry, that would be the weapon I would suggest using to start with.

    Some of Bill’s Range Rules:

    Brass ammo only.
    Uncased/unholstered weapons are allowed on the range only.
    Always keep weapons pointing down range.
    Always keep finger off trigger unless ready to fire.
    Weapons are always loaded.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #514666

    Quote:


    First I have met you…during the ARM event…I carted around Shane and his brother.


    Did I give you a load of crap at the arm event?? If I didn’t…I didn’t know it was you!

    Mrs Dancer? Tactical lights are allowed…Your Crimson Trace Laser will give you an advantage if used properly! So leave your tape at home!

    Because of the stops to reload before each position..it will give a person time to remember to breath!

    I think most everyone will feel an adrenaline rush!

    Tip: I would not suggest using a mouse gun the first few times through. The furthest rounds will be at a range of 54 feet.
    If you have a permit to carry, that would be the weapon I would suggest using to start with.

    Some of Bill’s Range Rules:

    Brass ammo only.
    Uncased/unholstered weapons are allowed on the range only.
    Always keep weapons pointing down range.
    Always keep finger off trigger unless ready to fire.
    Weapons are always loaded.

    krisko
    Durand, WI
    Posts: 1364
    #27623

    This type of shooting and training is AWESOME. I can tell you this is similar to some of the training that we do in law enforcement and it really gets the blood pumping. I hate to say this, but anyone can shoot a paper target just sitting there and taking their time. This lets you see what can happen when the stuff hits the fan. Plus it will let a beginner get their feet wet in a very controled and highly supervised area to show you how to do it right so you can get better. Don’t be afraid..come join the party.

    krisko
    Durand, WI
    Posts: 1364
    #514699

    This type of shooting and training is AWESOME. I can tell you this is similar to some of the training that we do in law enforcement and it really gets the blood pumping. I hate to say this, but anyone can shoot a paper target just sitting there and taking their time. This lets you see what can happen when the stuff hits the fan. Plus it will let a beginner get their feet wet in a very controled and highly supervised area to show you how to do it right so you can get better. Don’t be afraid..come join the party.

    redneckjr
    Rosemount, MN
    Posts: 1037
    #27624

    Do you have to be over 18 to take part??? If not I would love to try this out, I don’t shoot handguns much but I’m a pretty good shot with my Dad’s 9mm Glock. I’ve always wanted to try something like this.

    redneckjr
    Rosemount, MN
    Posts: 1037
    #514718

    Do you have to be over 18 to take part??? If not I would love to try this out, I don’t shoot handguns much but I’m a pretty good shot with my Dad’s 9mm Glock. I’ve always wanted to try something like this.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #27627

    Chris, a mature young adult…(that would be you) can shoot with a parent or guardian present.

    Grab the old man and we’ll see ya there!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #514724

    Chris, a mature young adult…(that would be you) can shoot with a parent or guardian present.

    Grab the old man and we’ll see ya there!

    chris-tuckner
    Hastings/Isle MN
    Posts: 12318
    #27653

    Sounds like fun!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #27867

    Sound like 8 to ten so far.

    Tuck..are you going to make it?

    I’m hoping to get up there Monday to get a little accuracy in before my score counts.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59996
    #517566

    Sound like 8 to ten so far.

    Tuck..are you going to make it?

    I’m hoping to get up there Monday to get a little accuracy in before my score counts.

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