Favorite Conceal Holster?

  • chris-tuckner
    Hastings/Isle MN
    Posts: 12318
    #411839

    I would have to agree with you Wats! There will be some that will argue with me on this, but here is my take. When I was in Cop School back in the 80’s, they discouraged front pocket carry for off duty. In the heat of the battle, pulling a gun from the front pocket:

    1. Is a dead giveaway as to what you are doing, and may provoke a shot at you before you can clear your pants!

    2. Pulling your gun from a front pocket aims the business end of a pistol into your thigh, Johnson, legs, and other necessary parts. Premature firing can cause severe colateral damage.

    3. Front pocket carry accounted for many premature firings, and inaccurate first shots due to elbow angle, and the length of time it takes to straighten it out. First shots will usually be off target or delayed.

    Back pocket carry hides intent. It also allows for subtle drawing. And when you do draw, you can do it aiming away from vital body parts. The arm straightens for firing in a more direct route. Back pockets are straight and usually square, making for an easy draw with the right holster. Front pockets are deep, and angled. Weapons can be darn tough to get out in a situation like that. Take your .380/.22/.25/.32 for instance. These little fellas can twist and turn to the point that it is aiming at your chin! Not cool. Especially if you need to get it out fast. Hip holsters can also hide intent if proper body language is used. Distractions from your oposite hand keep an offenders eye focused on it rather than your drawing hand.

    Posturing is huge, In a possible confrontational situation, how you hold yourself is HUGE! Whether you plan to draw your gun or not. Holding your hands in a relaxed, defensive position is recommended. As a Military Policeman, I was trained by a really cool Black Belt instructor by the name of Ken Coles. I think he was out of Elk River. I learned a ton from this guy! (This will get back to holsters…) He would walk into a situation and asses it. He would face the major offenders straight on with one hand on his chin in a thoughtful pose, and the other hand on his opposing elbow. It looks like a relaxed position, and from that he could either talk a person down…If they were smart, they would…Or a guy would make a stupid move, and telegraph his movement. From that position, Ken would use the hand on his elbow to sweep up to block, and the hand on his chin would knock a guy out in one short punch. His feet were also in a position to step into or away from an attacker. With a shift of the foot, either forward or back, you can minimize your profile, draw and shoot if need be.

    As Joe Penaz mentioned, practice is everything! Drawing your weapon out of the holster, and firing in defense is CRITICAL! Use a holster that you can best utilize your best natural defensive position. Whatever position feels most comfortable to you. PRACTICE dry runs at home with an UNLOADED gun. Over and over. And then do it at the range with live fire. What I like to do is take cheap paper plates. Place them at 3 different distances. Pull, fire two rounds into each. Or 1 in each, and follow up with another. (I know lot of instructors preach double tapping.) Some current thinking is one shot per target. The debate will go on. Single bad guy, two shots, center mass for me. But practice different scenarios. Use the holster that allows you to be most accurate in that situation regardless of how many rounds you deliver.

    When you address people, you will find yourself assuming that position naturally towards friend and foe.

    I would like to remind you all that this is what I, me, myself do. I am always learning new things from people, and that is really cool.

    Also, never go out looking for a fight, because you WILL find one! And chances are, the guy you pick, or worse yet, picks you, will probably kick your as$! The best defense is to never get yourself in that position in the first place! Defense is best served as a suprise to the attacker.

    At the get together, I can show you guys a few other tricks I have used on drunks, and people that try to get your gun away from you. (That has never happened to me in real life BTW…)

    Tuck

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #14031

    Ya know…I’ve been reading through my posts…and people looking at them for the first time with out knowing me could say..Wow! That guy is a gun wacko…he’s just looking for a reason to use his gun.

    Not true!

    The most important part of what Tuck said was…

    Quote:


    Also, never go out looking for a fight, because you WILL find one! And chances are, the guy you pick, or worse yet, picks you, will probably kick your as$! The best defense is to never get yourself in that position in the first place! Defense is best served as a suprise to the attacker.


    Everything is was good…but the above is what Joe teaches in his classes…and is the most important part of concealed carry.

    The last thing any “normal” person would want to do is to have to use a hand gun for self protection…which is what the law states too. Walk, run, get the ‘ell out of there…but if you can’t and believe your life is on the line…save yourself or your loved one…but don’t think for a minute that you will ever be the same person again.
    Forget about laws, court, police or media. It’s the person in the mirror that will give you the most trouble.

    I type this for the folks that stumble apon this forum.

    No, I’m not practicing to preach, I save that for when I’m fishing with Tuck…

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #411853

    Ya know…I’ve been reading through my posts…and people looking at them for the first time with out knowing me could say..Wow! That guy is a gun wacko…he’s just looking for a reason to use his gun.

    Not true!

    The most important part of what Tuck said was…

    Quote:


    Also, never go out looking for a fight, because you WILL find one! And chances are, the guy you pick, or worse yet, picks you, will probably kick your as$! The best defense is to never get yourself in that position in the first place! Defense is best served as a suprise to the attacker.


    Everything is was good…but the above is what Joe teaches in his classes…and is the most important part of concealed carry.

    The last thing any “normal” person would want to do is to have to use a hand gun for self protection…which is what the law states too. Walk, run, get the ‘ell out of there…but if you can’t and believe your life is on the line…save yourself or your loved one…but don’t think for a minute that you will ever be the same person again.
    Forget about laws, court, police or media. It’s the person in the mirror that will give you the most trouble.

    I type this for the folks that stumble apon this forum.

    No, I’m not practicing to preach, I save that for when I’m fishing with Tuck…

    chris-tuckner
    Hastings/Isle MN
    Posts: 12318
    #14033

    Good points Brian. I am giving you a viewpoint of what goes into choosing a holster from the viewpoint of someone who was put into a position to neutralize it. Not one where true CC from a citizen perspective where the purpose is to get yourself OUT of that position. It is completely different. But, the points I was trying to make were the same for both sides of the fence. If you ever did have to draw your weapon in self defense, what I mentioned I believe is very relevant. Holster choice, and body position are very important.

    chris-tuckner
    Hastings/Isle MN
    Posts: 12318
    #411873

    Good points Brian. I am giving you a viewpoint of what goes into choosing a holster from the viewpoint of someone who was put into a position to neutralize it. Not one where true CC from a citizen perspective where the purpose is to get yourself OUT of that position. It is completely different. But, the points I was trying to make were the same for both sides of the fence. If you ever did have to draw your weapon in self defense, what I mentioned I believe is very relevant. Holster choice, and body position are very important.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #14035

    Sorry Chris, I shouldn’t have posted right after your post. It wasn’t aimed at you…I was rereading my posts on this thread and others…just ended up here!

    You are one of those guys that everyone would think is a sheep…until a the wolf makes the wrong move…then the sheep dog comes out.

    A sheepdog in sheeps clothing!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #411878

    Sorry Chris, I shouldn’t have posted right after your post. It wasn’t aimed at you…I was rereading my posts on this thread and others…just ended up here!

    You are one of those guys that everyone would think is a sheep…until a the wolf makes the wrong move…then the sheep dog comes out.

    A sheepdog in sheeps clothing!

    chris-tuckner
    Hastings/Isle MN
    Posts: 12318
    #14039

    Don’t apologize. You make a good point. If you read these, you might think we are all gun crazed nuts. But anyone that knows us knows that is not the case. 99.999% of the people I come in contact with on a daily basis do not know I carry. That is the whole concept of CC. It’s not a conversation I have with people, and nothing I flaunt. I do have fun at times with people I know shooting, and making goofy comments from time to time. But hey, I do that with everything I do!

    chris-tuckner
    Hastings/Isle MN
    Posts: 12318
    #411913

    Don’t apologize. You make a good point. If you read these, you might think we are all gun crazed nuts. But anyone that knows us knows that is not the case. 99.999% of the people I come in contact with on a daily basis do not know I carry. That is the whole concept of CC. It’s not a conversation I have with people, and nothing I flaunt. I do have fun at times with people I know shooting, and making goofy comments from time to time. But hey, I do that with everything I do!

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