Tearing Down Statues Across America

  • Deuces
    Posts: 5236
    #1949303

    bait much?

    Not as much I want to nowadays. Work is busy and we’ve been a little busy with “other things” here in the city. Getting on out of town tomorrow so that’ll be nice.

    Unless you’re referring to the well written article I posted that does indeed breakup the patting on the back that y’all were doing to each other, then yes, it was a slight provocation to digest the material.

    Jon Jordan
    Keymaster
    St. Paul, Mn
    Posts: 6019
    #1949306

    LEO don’t stand around doing nothing when a felony is in progress without direction from leaders. Obvious we have very weak leadership here in Mn. Feeling sorry for the cops out there….

    -J.

    Coletrain27
    Posts: 4789
    #1949307

    LEO don’t stand around doing nothing when a felony is in progress without direction from leaders. Obvious we have very weak leadership here in Mn. Feeling sorry for the cops out there….

    -J.

    i bet there was at least one LEO sitting there watching them “peaceful protesters” pulling over christopher columbus

    Coletrain27
    Posts: 4789
    #1949308

    Looks like state patrol was right there…

    Deuces
    Posts: 5236
    #1949309

    LEO don’t stand around doing nothing when a felony is in progress without direction from leaders

    Or the lack of direction.

    I still feel city leaders let the city be looted and burned purposely. Unacceptable.

    Timmy
    Posts: 1235
    #1949311

    Kind of funny that one group is getting so triggered by the removal of statues by an opposite group who is triggered by a statue.

    I believe the part that triggers most people isn’t the actual removal of a statue, instead it is the illegal vandalism and damage to property that is being used to remove/deface these statues.

    I am “triggered” by vandalizing, looting, rioting thugs.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18623
    #1949313

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>blank wrote:</div>
    Kind of funny that one group is getting so triggered by the removal of statues by an opposite group who is triggered by a statue.

    I believe the part that triggers most people isn’t the actual removal of a statue, instead it is the illegal vandalism and damage to property that is being used to remove/deface these statues.

    I am “triggered” by vandalizing, looting, rioting thugs.

    Me too. Its all so friggin fake. I saw some Woodbury “protesters” yesterday in an S/A station. They were having a GREAT time. Laughing and giggling. Hopping and skipping. I would think they would be a little more low key given the “somber” content of their protest? Why I would never take protesting kids seriously.

    blank
    Posts: 1776
    #1949314

    I get that Timmy, and agree that the vandalism is wrong and irks me too. But the triggered people saying that removing a Columbus statue that was erected in the 1930’s or a confederate statue is somehow removing history, is ridiculous.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18623
    #1949330

    I get that Timmy, and agree that the vandalism is wrong and irks me too. But the triggered people saying that removing a Columbus statue that was erected in the 1930’s or a confederate statue is somehow removing history, is ridiculous.

    It meant a lot to those that paid for and erected it. Why can’t we honor their decisions? No matter what our ancestors thought, we owe them a debt of gratitude. Leave their recorded history alone. If you can’t move forward without destroying evidence of the past then I question your convictions.

    blank
    Posts: 1776
    #1949335

    What does it say about someone’s conviction by wanting to honor the commander of the confederate army that was defeated in the civil war?

    Deuces
    Posts: 5236
    #1949336

    No matter what our ancestors thought,

    Our ancestors thought it was ok to have bounties put out on native scalps. Our ancestors thought it was ok to purchase humans and use them however they please which included, raping, beating, torturing, and enslaving them.

    Doesn’t matter what they thought?

    Read the article, come back with a logical argument against it man. This notion of respect the people who paid for it has absolutely no place in the discussion of moving on from history, and not continually living in it.

    Don Meier
    Butternut Wisconsin
    Posts: 1659
    #1949338

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>blank wrote:</div>
    I get that Timmy, and agree that the vandalism is wrong and irks me too. But the triggered people saying that removing a Columbus statue that was erected in the 1930’s or a confederate statue is somehow removing history, is ridiculous.

    It meant a lot to those that paid for and erected it. Why can’t we honor their decisions? No matter what our ancestors thought, we owe them a debt of gratitude. Leave their recorded history alone. If you can’t move forward without destroying evidence of the past then I question your convictions.

    Reconstruction after the Civil War was meant to remind the black slaves exactly what white people of the south thought of them. Those statues of confederate general,s were nothing more than a poke in the eye to black people everytime they looked at one . Those statues represent people who thought it was okay to OWN human beings! You do not see any statues of Hitler in Germany, nothing to be proud of there.
    Nothing to be proud of or respect of confederate traitors either .

    Tom Sawvell
    Inactive
    Posts: 9559
    #1949343

    Lets start tearing down Totem Poles since they represent a culture that came across a land bridge and spoil a wilderness where NO man stood. Tell me what the difference is between that and the Columbus statue.

    #1949344

    Honest question from somebody who didn’t grow up in this country. Why are confederate flags/statues etc not considered disrespectful to the American flag? It seems like they would be given the whole traitor thing

    tindall
    Minneapolis MN
    Posts: 1104
    #1949348

    Kind of funny that one group is getting so triggered by the removal of statues by an opposite group who is triggered by a statue.

    By the time each side ramps up to criticize each other no one can see through the snowflake storm.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18623
    #1949352

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>suzuki wrote:</div>

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>blank wrote:</div>
    I get that Timmy, and agree that the vandalism is wrong and irks me too. But the triggered people saying that removing a Columbus statue that was erected in the 1930’s or a confederate statue is somehow removing history, is ridiculous.

    It meant a lot to those that paid for and erected it. Why can’t we honor their decisions? No matter what our ancestors thought, we owe them a debt of gratitude. Leave their recorded history alone. If you can’t move forward without destroying evidence of the past then I question your convictions.

    Reconstruction after the Civil War was meant to remind the black slaves exactly what white people of the south thought of them. Those statues of confederate general,s were nothing more than a poke in the eye to black people everytime they looked at one . Those statues represent people who thought it was okay to OWN human beings! You do not see any statues of Hitler in Germany, nothing to be proud of there.
    Nothing to be proud of or respect of confederate traitors either .

    They represent a time in history that shouldn’t be forgotten. Personally our dark history fascinates me and is a reminder of what shouldn’t be repeated. Pulling down statues isn’t the hill I die on but what’s next, destroying written records, museums? It’s all very feeble minded.

    blank
    Posts: 1776
    #1949353

    Honest question from somebody who didn’t grow up in this country. Why are confederate flags/statues etc not considered disrespectful to the American flag? It seems like they would be given the whole traitor thing

    I’ve wondered and thought the same thing. I think for many people they view the confederate flag as a symbol of their southern heritage, and for those not from the south, a symbol of their redneck lifestyle. Either way, doesn’t make much logical sense to me. I always shake my head and sadly chuckle when I see both flags flown in the bed of a jacked-up, loud piped, usually rusty pickup truck.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #1949368

    Couldn’t care if there was a statue involved in this or not. For me its more about our leaders allowing mobs to make the rules. Currently I have no idea what they will let these people get away with. Its getting crazier everyday.

    Tine to purchase some more guns for my security. 30 round clips? Yes, Ill take a few of them to.

    Lou W
    Posts: 206
    #1949382

    Columbus never landed or visited America. First trip he landed in what is now the Bahamas. Subsequent trips landed on islands south of the Bahamas and then S America

    Pig-hunter
    Southern Minnesota
    Posts: 600
    #1949383

    Couldn’t care if there was a statue involved in this or not. For me its more about our leaders allowing mobs to make the rules. Currently I have no idea what they will let these people get away with. Its getting crazier everyday.

    100% this. Mike see it clearly. Our leaders have no backbone. Right now you are punished harder for opening your business to feed your family than you are if you riot in the streets or deface public property.

    The other problem with all this is that these leaders are taking marching orders from mobs of people that for the most part, don’t contribute a hell of alot positive to society.

    mahtofire14
    Mahtomedi, MN
    Posts: 11036
    #1949386

    They represent a time in history that shouldn’t be forgotten. Personally our dark history fascinates me and is a reminder of what shouldn’t be repeated. Pulling down statues isn’t the hill I die on but what’s next, destroying written records, museums? It’s all very feeble minded.

    100% my fears. We learn about this in school to remind us of the terrible things that happened. And maybe even LEARN from it. But no, we won’t have a history after this era is over.

    Even Churchill isn’t safe from this. CNN has a big story saying that he was a racist. Nevermind the fact that he saved the whole freaking world…..that doesn’t matter.

    B-man
    Posts: 5809
    #1949416

    I saw a guy tearing down the big indian statue in Battle Lake today

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    blank
    Posts: 1776
    #1949422

    I don’t recall learning about the bad things that Columbus did while I was in school. Perhaps people are actually learning more from history now than ever before.

    Should this statue have stayed up too?

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 5797
    #1949432

    This Seattle CHAZ zone is an utter disgrace to society. My mind is just blown away that their liberal government is letting it happen!

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 5797
    #1949433

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Mike W wrote:</div>
    Couldn’t care if there was a statue involved in this or not. For me its more about our leaders allowing mobs to make the rules. Currently I have no idea what they will let these people get away with. Its getting crazier everyday.

    100% this. Mike see it clearly. Our leaders have no backbone. Right now you are punished harder for opening your business to feed your family than you are if you riot in the streets or deface public property.

    The other problem with all this is that these leaders are taking marching orders from mobs of people that for the most part, don’t contribute a hell of alot positive to society.

    Couldn’t agree more.

    shady5
    Posts: 491
    #1949434

    I get that Timmy, and agree that the vandalism is wrong and irks me too. But the triggered people saying that removing a Columbus statue that was erected in the 1930’s or a confederate statue is somehow removing history, is ridiculous.

    True, the history still remains, so removing the statues accomplishes nothing. I would advise the ‘non-triggered’ to spend time and energy on pursuits that will actually equate to some form of benefit.

    KwickStick
    At the intersection of Pools 6 & 7
    Posts: 595
    #1949435

    Another perspective is these leaders who spend a lifetime in politics with no term limits living the life of riley ARE the mob.

    basseyes
    Posts: 2511
    #1949443

    The dixie flag makes my arse itch, has for a long time. You lost the war, burn that ugly, stain of a flag.

    But also dislike Trump less than Joey Bubbles Bin-lie-den. Is that even legal to dislike the dixie flag and yet still not support Joey Buttersnitch Shoulder Rubber?

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