Tariffs?

  • gim
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 18436
    #2314676

    i hear gas could raise from 50 to 70 cents per gallon…..and the price of produce is gonna soar

    I think that projection was based on a 25% tariff. It was dropped to 10% instead.

    Produce, especially in the winter months, will definitely be going up in cost. If you like avocado or guac, be prepared to pay a lot more. They are 59 cents this week though at Cub Foods!

    Gitchi Gummi
    Posts: 3337
    #2314688

    fun fact: tarrifs plays a big role in the great depression

    Doesn’t matter how you spin it, the consumers get F’ed with the tarrifs. Domestic manufacturing can’t pop up over night. Some things can’t be sourced here like many foods. A lot of oil in the US can’t be refined here so we need to import a lot from Canada. Can’t wait for the prices at the pumps to jump.

    We’re p*ssing off a lot of our allies with the recent agenda swing. Now Canada is retaliating against us and going to implent corresponding tarrifs back on us. No one wins – consumers get F*ed on both sides of the border.

    On a global level, we look like an absolute clown show right now. Renaming mountains and bodies of water for no reason. Blaming airplane crashed on DEI instead of offering sympathy. Its a gong show right now

    Hey
    Posts: 190
    #2314698

    There was no federal income tax prior to 1913.

    Until the American Civil War, 80-90% of the federal govt revenue was funded through tariffs. That’s how it worked before a pre-global economy.

    1935 Social Security started.

    Minnesota enacted state income taxes in 1933, in addition to keeping property taxes at the state level. In the 1960’s Minnesota started to shift the property taxation revenue to the counties.

    1965 Medicaid and Medicare started.

    In 1967 Minnesota enacted sales tax at 3%.

    Then the city taxes started such as in St Paul in 1993. In 2016 St Paul tax revenue was 19 million.

    As the federal, state, and local governments grew and wanted more money for more programs so did the need to tax its citizens and business.

    So all these goods that are imported. They use US infrastructure such as roads, bridges, ports, buildings etc. that US citizens and US businesses pay taxes for. Why shouldn’t these goods be taxed/tariffs to the same effect? Why should the US pay all the infrastructure/tax cost?

    All these taxes that US citizens and business pay plus all the regulations hurt our ability to compete against exporters who are subsidized by foreign governments or dump products in the US at way below market price.

    When you globalize you become reliant on foreign markets. It can be a national security issue and economic independence issue.

    Look at German dependence on Russia for energy as an example.

    John Deere and automakers wanting to build parts/cars/tractors in Mexico cause it’s cheaper than paying all the taxes in the US plus paying a union auto workers salary. Also less money in the pot going to social security, etc.

    How can you have $15-$20 minimum wage in this country plus all the sky high taxes, and at the same time compete against foreign subsidized goods?

    We are taxed to death in this country and yet are against “taxing/tariffs” a foreign government or foreign company that pays zero taxes in this country.

    Unfair trade practices, taxes, and regulations are economic growth killers.

    Umy
    South Metro
    Posts: 2051
    #2314699

    On a global level, we look like an absolute clown show right now. Renaming mountains and bodies of water for no reason. Blaming airplane crashed on DEI instead of offering sympathy. Its a gong show right now Hardly………

    you are seeing someone in action, doing what he campaigned on and keeping you apprised all the while. The previous admin did nothing close to this. The country resoundingly said they wanted change. They are getting it so hold on. Can’t wait til the idiot mayor of Mpls is arrested for interfering w ICE. Send a message to the other sanctuary love lords.
    Your tax dollars are financing ALL of this. My other neighbor is a pilot. Mad as hell they have been flying in illegals for the past three years.
    This “gong show” was created on purpose and will take some courage and common sense to clean up. Unfortunately that won’t happen overnight. I hope we have the courage for the long haul.
    The other side plays the long game much better. They left this admin w a shitshow and thank god there is someone willing to try and clean it up.

    There were over a 1,000 qualified air traffic control bodies in place that were passed over in favor of other check the box bodies. My neighbors son for one. And that is just one dept. California is a perfect example of how DEI impacts the community in a negative way. The best I can glean from all the news is helicopter pilot error but I am in no position to blame as I am no expert. Will wait for the investigation to be over. Night, night vision goggles, military training exercises at one of the busiest and smallest runways in the country etc contributed to this. Let’s hope they figure something out so it never happens again.
    Huge trump supporter but, he gave great deal of sympathy and outpouring for the accident. Wish he would have stopped there but that is not his style.

    I believe that w a 50% tariff and given the volume of trade we have with Canada- minus energy – 50% tariff would collapse their economy.
    I think trump is hitting the tariff piece hard because in one respect he sees value in it to a point. In another respect it’s a club he can use to get what he wants quicker. The effectiveness of it and how long he “swings” it for remain to be seen.
    I have WAAAAY more faith in his policies than the previous administration.

    Umy
    South Metro
    Posts: 2051
    #2314700

    Unfair trade practices, taxes, and regulations are economic growth killers.

    Well said Hey – the new administration has campaigned on the taxes and regulation piece – he runs a global business and understands this intimately

    Full draw
    Posts: 1355
    #2314706

    I agree. Well said Hey.
    I wouldn’t say we are a clown show on the world stage.
    An Alpha is calling the shots and foreign leaders know it.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn/ itasca cty
    Posts: 12610
    #2314709

    i dont remember where i read this but some long time correspondent listed the list of different taxes we have………

    good grief it was long!

    blackbay
    mn
    Posts: 912
    #2314721

    Trudeau is a lame duck quitter and Canada has an election later this year. The Conservative party is the odds on favorite right now to take control, which means Pierre Poilievre would be the Prime Minister. Trudeau is just doing what he feels he has to do to save face as his political career circles the bowl. I’m sure there will be news in the next few weeks that an agreement has been made and all is well.

    As far as renaming things, that has been going on a lot lately every time someone’s feelings got hurt.

    Mike Schulz
    Osakis/Long Prairie
    Posts: 1748
    #2314723

    As far as renaming things, that has been going on a lot lately every time someone’s feelings got hurt

    2nd that

    Hey
    Posts: 190
    #2314726

    Let’s look at these tariffs from another perspective.

    9/11 killed 3,000 Americans. Fentanyl killed over 100,000 Americans in 2023.

    Fentanyl is produced in Mexico by the cartels using chemical precursors from China.

    China could shut this down overnight but doesn’t. Why?

    Mexico is run by Cartels with a socialist president in charge.

    Still against tariffs?

    Tariffs instead of going to war. Remember Afghanistan? How did that end?

    Ice Cap
    Posts: 2230
    #2314731

    Disregard wouldn’t allow me to post and external link…

    glenn57
    cold spring mn/ itasca cty
    Posts: 12610
    #2314736

    If you think federal taxes of any kind are going away… never in a million years will i believe that! coffee

    Reef W
    Posts: 3056
    #2314737

    Tariffs instead of going to war. Remember Afghanistan? How did that end?

    About as successful as the war on drugs? As long as there is a demand drugs will be produced and we have a strong demand. China isn’t the only country that can make precursors and cartels in Mexico aren’t the only ones who can make the final product. But, hey, maybe if we fukk our neighbors economies they’ll have less people desperate to make a buck somehow roll

    Hey
    Posts: 190
    #2314738

    What’s the percentage of fentanyl that doesn’t come into this country from Canada or Mexico or precursors from China?

    How does it come in without Canada or Mexico?

    Don Meier
    Butternut Wisconsin
    Posts: 1729
    #2314740

    Stating Canada should be the next US state ? That we can buy Greenland ? That we will take Panama ?? Rename Gulf of Mexico ? What has that got to do with his campaign promises to end the war in Ukraine on Day one ? To lower grocery prices ? He has gutted the FAA on day one , forbid the CDC experts from communicating with The World Health Organization ? Putting tariffs on an ally like Canada ? Tariffs will only lead to higher cost for the consumer . When trump was asked how he would lower crazy high rent , he said drill baby drill ???? WTF The next 4 years is going to be a real poop show , get the popcorn and hope he does not accidently get us into a war !

    Hey
    Posts: 190
    #2314742

    What’s the percentage of fentanyl that doesn’t come into this country from Canada or Mexico or precursors from China?

    How does it come in without Canada or Mexico?

    The war on drugs was fought inside this country. Why not see what fighting it outside the country does?

    When there is no supply…

    Reef W
    Posts: 3056
    #2314744

    What’s the percentage of fentanyl that doesn’t come into this country from Canada or Mexico or precursors from China?

    How does it come in without Canada or Mexico?

    Maybe through the 12,000 miles of coastline? You’re missing the point though. There is a supply, and will always be a supply, if there is a demand. We’ve kinda proved that out over the last 50 years. China and the cartels can drop ship a pallet of Fentanyl to my doorstep and I’m not going to pay for it or die of an overdose because I don’t want it. Do you think they’ll keep shipping it for free and some cartel member in Mexico risks his head getting cut off if I’m not paying for it?

    Instead of punching them in the face for providing what we (as a country) desperately want why don’t we do something about the demand? Why do we have so many opioid addicts? Is it easy for everyone to get help and kick it?

    The war on drugs was fought inside this country.

    Saw this after I posted. You’re not a serious person lol

    Umy
    South Metro
    Posts: 2051
    #2314745

    Time will tell.
    I stand by what I said. Tariffs are a big club right now. He will use them as long as he needs to.
    YES an alpha male is back. He actually knows what day it is and how to negotiate a deal. Trudeau will get kicked to the curb but not sure even his “ conservative” replacement will be better.
    We have allowed ourselves and our charitable selves to be used far too long, time to look out for US for a change.
    Tariffs won’t work on Hamass but maybe on their “ handlers “ let’s hope we put a concrete end to their reign of violence once and for all

    Hey
    Posts: 190
    #2314747

    Fentanyl is not like weed, coke or heroin. Uncle Rico can’t grow it in his backyard. There are a handful of places the precursor for fentanyl can be made. Take them out and fentanyl ceases to exist.

    Yes I am a serious person. How many Americans did we prosecute and lock up during the war on drugs? What did we do outside the country?

    Reef W
    Posts: 3056
    #2314750

    What did we do outside the country?

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    Matt Moen
    South Minneapolis
    Posts: 4769
    #2314752

    Fentanyl is not like weed, coke or heroine. Uncle Rico can’t grow it in his backyard. There are a handful of places the precursor for fentanyl can be made. Take them out and fentanyl ceases to exist.

    Yes I am a serious person. How many Americans did we prosecute and lock up during the war on drugs? What did we do outside the country?

    Dude, the DEA started fighting the cartels in Mexico in the 80’s. Prior to that the CIA funded the fight against drugs going back to the 70’s. To say we haven’t been fighting the sources of the drugs is wrong.

    I don’t think anyone would argue the war on drugs didn’t generally work but to make the case these tariffs will end the fentanyl epidemic is laughable. The fact Trump made it a key reason for the tariffs will end up being a political failure.

    Pitter patter
    Posts: 255
    #2314753

    4years of this and Mexico is going to have to build a wall to keep Americans out

    Reef W
    Posts: 3056
    #2314754

    Fentanyl is not like weed, coke or heroin. Uncle Rico can’t grow it in his backyard. There are a handful of places the precursor for fentanyl can be made. Take them out and fentanyl ceases to exist.

    Maybe you should provide sources for your claims. coffee

    Anyways, here’s an old DEA report that says it’s also coming from India and then notes:

    “Fentanyl production and
    precursor chemical sourcing may also expand beyond the currently identified countries as fentanyl lacks the geographic source boundaries of heroin and cocaine as these must be produced from plant-based materials.”

    https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20Fentanyl%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdf

    Full draw
    Posts: 1355
    #2314756

    Some are naive to what is happening on the world stage.
    The way China is making moves we need to make strategic moves to counter them. Both Greenland and the Panama Canal are exactly that.

    With that said the Panamanian president came out today with “there will be no new memorandum of understanding with China.”
    This after SOS Rubio meet with the Panamanian president this weekend.
    For those that don’t know china owns a huge portion of infrastructure along the canal. China could if they wanted stop our ships from going through the canal.

    Hey
    Posts: 190
    #2314763

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Hey wrote:</div>
    Fentanyl is not like weed, coke or heroine. Uncle Rico can’t grow it in his backyard. There are a handful of places the precursor for fentanyl can be made. Take them out and fentanyl ceases to exist.

    Yes I am a serious person. How many Americans did we prosecute and lock up during the war on drugs? What did we do outside the country?

    Dude, the DEA started fighting the cartels in Mexico in the 80’s. Prior to that the CIA funded the fight against drugs going back to the 70’s. To say we haven’t been fighting the sources of the drugs is wrong.

    I don’t think anyone would argue the war on drugs didn’t generally work but to make the case these tariffs will end the fentanyl epidemic is laughable. The fact Trump made it a key reason for the tariffs will end up being a political failure.

    DEA and CIA were going after Fentanyl in the 70’s and 80’s like 50 yrs ago? That is not true.

    Matt Moen
    South Minneapolis
    Posts: 4769
    #2314764

    Your words, Hey:

    “The war on drugs was fought inside this country. Why not see what fighting it outside the country does?”

    Hey
    Posts: 190
    #2314765

    FYI weed, coke, and heroin are plant based. They can grow it.

    Fentanyl cannot be grown. It has to be made in complex lab settings. Not like cooking meth labs like very complex process.

    Huge difference between fentanyl and plant based drugs.

    Modi of India and Trump are tight. Modi can stop the India precursors.

    Hey
    Posts: 190
    #2314767

    Your words, Hey:

    “The war on drugs was fought inside this country. Why not see what fighting it outside the country does?”

    You are correct. I should have specified fentanyl.

    David Anderson
    Dayton, MN
    Posts: 532
    #2314768

    I get a kick out of the tariff conversation. Well tell me why cannot one bring in whatever one wants in alcohol into Canada? After 2 bottles of wine, or 1 case of beer, the Canadian’s put a tariff on your imported good called a duty. That seems to be OK. Ever buy dairy in Ontario? The Canadian government imposes a 168% tariff on US milk, why, to make sure that the Ontario dairy farmers get high $$$ for their milk and not the open market price of milk produced in the US. Apparently NAFTA doesn’t mean North American Free Trade Agreement. It means that yes, the US better not add tariffs to our products going south but we can protect our own industries the way we see fit, even if it costs our citizens a lot of money. I see a quote, we look like a clown show. I suppose we do, basically ruining other countries ability to make money off of the US, whilst giving us the middle finger. Enjoy the ride!

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