Stay At Home Order Ends May 18th

Don Meier wrote:

Really because you want a haircut is a good reason to put people at risk ? Either your with science or your not .

I think you got a red herring and straw man in the same paragraph.

BigWerm wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
Simple math… the unconfirmed cases of death in MN = 615 (591 confirmed)

There are 5,640,000 people in Minnesota

615/5,640,000 = .000109

615 deaths, 81% in long term healthcare (nursing home, hospital, not going home) = 498 deaths. 615-498 = 117 deaths of people not in long term healthcare.

117/5,640,000 = .0000207% of dying from Covid for the average person.

I will take my chances.

That is simple math, incorrect, but simple. I agree with you that the data we do have shows it is not a significant threat to young healthy people, but that is simply not how you calculate the mortality rate. The accurate way based off of current data is # who died because of Covid/# infected. And to get the most accurate way we will need significant randomized serological tests to see what percentage of the population has or had it and use that as the denominator against people who died because of covid. There was a Stanford study published about a month ago that did this and the mortality rate is similar to the flu, but with much more significant side effects for survivors. It is serious. Suiciding our economy and peoples livelihoods is also very serious. So I agree with most that we need to open up, continue to be careful, and like James I can’t wait to go out to eat for a week or two straight once we can

What is “incorrect” about it ? So your basis is, if you do not contract Covid, you are not at risk of it ? Got it.

I drove across the river for a couple beers last night with some friends to say that we “did it”. The line was out the door at 2 local establishments by 8:00pm. People of all ages and ranges from families (yes families with kids), to a few gentlemen in the corner that had to be over 80. I’m still not sure what to think of it, other than if one person in that place had the virus there’s easily 80+ people who are now exposed and another 60+ with intense hangovers today. We ordered our beers and stood outside and people watched as they flocked in. There was a steady stream of cars with MN plates making the trip with us. There’s 0 chance any guidelines about social distancing or sanitizing will be enforced ever again in WI after last night’s ruling and the ensuing crowds.

First the TP hoarders now the most pressing thing is a stupid haircut? Buy clippers, it takes 5 minutes and pays for itself in 2 minutes.

eyeguy507 wrote:

First the TP hoarders now the most pressing thing is a stupid haircut? Buy clippers, it takes 5 minutes and pays for itself in 2 minutes.

If a guy enjoys the simple pleasure of getting his hair cut by whoever, who are you or me to judge him on that. Lighten up a little bud.

Fish To Escape wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ice Cap wrote:</div>
Science still can’t decide if eggs coffee or sugar or wine are good or bad for me and they’ve had a millennial to figure it out. Science is not pure and not by any means without motive, that being money. Like everything else follow the money. That’s why every few years a study comes out to contradict the one before it then a few years later it swings back the other way. Science gets paid to do these studies.

Same reason Hydrochloroquine was poo pooed as a treatment. A drug that’s over 50 years old has been used world wide as a treatment for other things is widely available has no money left in it.

Fauci says there are eight or nine vaccines for covid currently being developed. He’s financially involved in nearly all these labs.

Oh boy.

You want to back that up ? That he is financially involved ? FACT check There is no evidence at all that he is ! Unless you have something else ? He is working with the Gates Foundation who is funding 60 million to develop a vaccine . That was Gates money. Your referencing a story on FB which was proven false and pulled because it simply was wrong .

You could easily make a haircut more safe than buying groceries.

big_g wrote:

What is “incorrect” about it ? So your basis is, if you do not contract Covid, you are not at risk of it ? Got it.

Using your math the USA mortality rate for Covid-19 was 0% in January, and will be a sliding scale until we have our last Covid-19 related death. The actual Mortality rate is a calculation of how many people who get it, die and shouldn’t fluctuate much once we have sufficient good data and population studies. Calculating it against the entire population is an incorrect calculation, it needs to be calculated against the # of people who got it, it’s an important distinction if you want to be accurate. And yes if you never get Covid (or any malady like a heartattack aneurysm etc.) you won’t die from it. Same reason why the Flu mortality rate is calculated off of people who actually had the flu vs how many died from it. It’s not controversial or partisan, its just how these things are calculated.

Big G, you either need to get rid of the percentage sign or move the decimal a couple spots.

But yes, still an extremely low number

.00207%

don’t you guys know Big_G has never been wrong. ive followed this site for 10 years and have never once seen a gotcha moment result in a discussion with him. Good luck

There’s so many unknowns, but everyone is an expert.

Did you guys know that 1/2 a million people in Minnesota are dealing with not having enough food to eat and 160 k of those are children? Big time economic impacts

Don Meier wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Fish To Escape wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ice Cap wrote:</div>
Science still can’t decide if eggs coffee or sugar or wine are good or bad for me and they’ve had a millennial to figure it out. Science is not pure and not by any means without motive, that being money. Like everything else follow the money. That’s why every few years a study comes out to contradict the one before it then a few years later it swings back the other way. Science gets paid to do these studies.

Same reason Hydrochloroquine was poo pooed as a treatment. A drug that’s over 50 years old has been used world wide as a treatment for other things is widely available has no money left in it.

Fauci says there are eight or nine vaccines for covid currently being developed. He’s financially involved in nearly all these labs.

Oh boy.

You want to back that up ? That he is financially involved ? FACT check There is no evidence at all that he is ! Unless you have something else ? He is working with the Gates Foundation who is funding 60 million to develop a vaccine . That was Gates money. Your referencing a story on FB which was proven false and pulled because it simply was wrong .

Don’t you know that Gates caused the pandemic with China to make more money?

B-man wrote:

Big G, you either need to get rid of the percentage sign or move the decimal a couple spots.

But yes, still an extremely low number

.00207%

Agree the formula would equal .O0207%, not .0000207%. Also the formula appears to be using the incorrect denominator. Total population was stated as 5,640,000, need to subtract those living in long term care from the 5,640,000 before dividing.

basseyes wrote:

There’s so many unknowns, but everyone is an expert.

What’s the alternative??

Stay shut down forever?? A complete economic collapse?? Live off the land while sheltering in place for the next decade??

Remember, there is no cure.

The SIP was needed to flatten the curve and build up supplies.

It’s past time to reopen, but feel free to continue the SIP if you’d like. It’s your choice.

When all this is done our national debt will be astronomical in size.

Wasn’t it astronomical before and going up at an increasingly rapid pace? Just sayin

Also, I would say the alternative would be, ya know, how a bunch of other places have handled it

Fish To Escape wrote:

Wasn’t it astronomical before and going up at an increasingly rapid pace? Just sayin

Yes, but this pandemic put things into overdrive.

The $600 weekly bonus unemployment money won’t even burn because the ink is so wet.

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Not arguing that it isn’t accelerating. People seemed to be fine with the rising deficit for the last three years though, just find it funny

Can’t wait for when school is out and the hall monitors have nothing left to do.

Fish To Escape wrote:

Not arguing that it isn’t accelerating. People seemed to be fine with the rising deficit for the last three years though, just find it funny

It’s been rising for more than three years kitten

It really started ramping up in the fall of 2008. I don’t know if that would happen to correlate with anything or not?

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Debt, schmebt. Most countries have debt. Even China has debt. I’ll worry when the US loses it’s AAA credit rating.

mplspug wrote:

Debt, schmebt. Most countries have debt. Even China has debt. I’ll worry when the US loses it’s AAA credit rating.

They lost the aaa rating in 2011 for the first time ever.

Fish To Escape wrote:

Not arguing that it isn’t accelerating. People seemed to be fine with the rising deficit for the last three years though, just find it funny

The budget has not been balanced since William Jefferson Clinton was President. Noted liberal [sic] Alan Greenspan stated “I think Bill Clinton was the best Republican president we’ve had in a while.”

James Holst wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Mr.Beads wrote:</div>
Wonder if I can make a reservation at my favorite bar for June 1?

As I left the house this morning headed for work the last thing the wife said was she was going to call a couple of our favorite restaurants to see when we can start making reservations. My hope is that at 6 PM on June 1 I’m sitting at one of our favorite tables at one of our favorite eateries with drinks and apps on order headed our way! One of the things I’ve missed the most during the shutdown is dinner night out with the wife.

Exactly James !!! I retired as of March 1st and haven’t had the chance to enjoy ONE DAMN DAY of it yet. This world has become so full of bs that you can’t believe anything anymore. I pity the younger generations cause this world is headed down the crapper fast.

B-man wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Fish To Escape wrote:</div>
Not arguing that it isn’t accelerating. People seemed to be fine with the rising deficit for the last three years though, just find it funny

It’s been rising for more than three years kitten

It really started ramping up in the fall of 2008. I don’t know if that would happen to correlate with anything or not?

Thanks, kitten. However, if you are going to be that condescending you should learn the difference between deficit and debt. Otherwise you might end up looking really dumb. The deficit increased after the last recession and then increased again while the economy was good, not sure if that correlated with anything.
https://datalab.usaspending.gov/americas-finance-guide/images/deficit-trend.svg

MnPat1 wrote:

They lost the aaa rating in 2011 for the first time ever.

Agency	Rating	Outlook	Date
DBRS	AAA	stable	Apr 22 2014
Fitch	AAA	stable	Mar 21 2014
Fitch	AAA	negative watch	Oct 15 2013
DBRS	AAA	under review	Oct 09 2013
Moody's	Aaa	stable	Jul 18 2013
S&P	AA+	stable	Jun 10 2013
Fitch	AAA	negative	Nov 28 2011
DBRS	AAA	stable	Sep 08 2011
S&P	AA+	negative	Aug 05 2011
Moody's	Aaa	negative	Aug 02 2011
S&P	AAA	negative watch	Jul 14 2011
Moody's	Aaa	negative watch	Jul 13 2011
S&P	AAA	negative	Apr 18 2011
Fitch	AAA	stable	Sep 21 2000
Fitch	AAA	n/a	Apr 01 1996
Fitch	AAA	negative watch	Nov 13 1995
Fitch	AAA	n/a	Aug 10 1994
Moody's	Aaa	stable	Feb 05 1949

Yes it did, but if it falls again from where it is now.

In any event, back to the phased opening.

Don Meier wrote:

ou want to back that up ? That he is financially involved ? FACT check There is no evidence at all that he is !

Anthony Fauci is in fact the director of the NIH which is a federal agency. Having stock, investments, or other financial benefits from a vaccine study by a private company would in fact be highly illegal and I can assure you they watch him closely. That would be a serious conflict of interest. Any agency that regulates a specific commodity is prohibited from having financial assets in them. So a USDA employee can’t have stock or other financial investments in Tyson meats or Smithfield Foods, just as an example.

James Holst wrote:

And mind boggling to me that it currently is a banned activity until May 18. Or at least the overnight stay part is banned. I personally can’t think of a place where I’m more safe from Covid.

James, the reason the Boundary Waters is closed to overnight camping is because the US Forestry Service is working with a skeleton crew right now and any forest fires that start will not be able to be attended to with such minimal staff. I have a friend who works for the Forestry Service. He also said that they don’t want to go against what Governor Walz is doing too, which is why camping there was closed until he lifted the Stay At Home Order.

I agree that a wilderness in northern MN is about the safest place to be and steer clear of other people, I don’t think anyone would argue that.

Here’s how I feel.

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