Simple math… the unconfirmed cases of death in MN = 615 (591 confirmed)
There are 5,640,000 people in Minnesota
615/5,640,000 = .000109
615 deaths, 81% in long term healthcare (nursing home, hospital, not going home) = 498 deaths. 615-498 = 117 deaths of people not in long term healthcare.
117/5,640,000 = .0000207% of dying from Covid for the average person.
I will take my chances.
Just to add one more thing, even if the death and suffering goes up significantly, we have a war with this virus, and any war has casualties. The way I see this going we need to start pushing our limits to get back to winning our economy back because to put it bluntly our economy just got pearl harbored.
I’m fine with this phased in approach. I hope people continue to wear masks in public indoor settings, maintain distance, and practice good hygiene. You won’t catch me in a group of 10 just yet though.
Can you provide any evidence that masks have helped in any way? Since they have suggested to wear masks (after saying they don’t help…..) the numbers continue to rise at a similar pace. Also, why haven’t the big box stores that are rib to rib with people everyday never turn into “hot spots”? I’m not saying this isn’t a real virus but the percentage numbers are much less scary than the overall cases.
I will be curious to see that if 69% of WI residents support the shutdown will those 69% now go to these open businesses or stay away? You can open businesses all you want but if nobody goes it doesn’t really matter. I think that will be the sign to know if we head towards some sort of economic recovery or a depression. 
to a recovery!
I will also be curious to see with ‘hot spots’? We have seen what happens at the meat plants and how that is impacting the supply chain. Will employees with mild cases of covid continue to go to work because they don’t have sick time? What happens to say a restaurant if all the cooks get so sick they can’t work? Shut down the restaurant? Even with opening back up businesses are going to have a lot to deal with.
Stay at Home ends the 18th here in MN… the same day the BWCA starts to allow overnight trips. I’ll be paddling Monday AM heading north and east after putting in on Ensign Lake.
The epitome of social distancing.
There is so little known about this virus that I am still proceeding with caution. After all there have been enough documented cases of very healthy, fit, active individuals either dying or having serious long term health complications, IE lung damage, that I believe Covid is still a personal and social threat.
I’m okay with loosening the recommendations; I believe education was a side effect.
To those who believe that it was all a hoax I hope you don’t get it. If you do and are admitted please tell the health care pros taking care of you how you believe(d). To them it has been real and frightening the last 2 months & will be in the future.
Don’t hold your breath on May 18. States have been kicking the date further down the road for 6 weeks. People would freak out if the states were honest
Clearly many people commenting here do not own a small business as in a bar/restaurant. I know three people who do and I’ve been rotating between them as much as possible getting take out. I talk to these guys at least several times a week. The stress this has them under is just as real as the virus.
Oh you can sympathize and say you know how they must feel and what they must be going through but you don’t.
Out of the three one is just pulling the plug. I’m worried for him and his family as they have no clue what they are going to do going forward. He said it best. Being financially ruined by the virus is just another way of dying from it.
The others say it will take years to recover. These people aren’t reported on in the news. No one wants to talk to them because what they have to say doesn’t fit the narrative.
My guess is there are far more people suffering this way than we will ever know or hear about. Our political immune reaction to a virus is killing the patient through the economy.
Its pretty obvious by some of the commentary on here that it was and never will be taken very seriously. Clearly no one commenting on here has been infected with a serious case of it either otherwise they would not be spouting off as is if was overblown.
I don’t know who said it was overblown here or that it isn’t being taken seriously.
I sort of agree with your second part, just probably not the way you intended. The fact that proportionate to the population, very few people do get seriously ill from it. And we know who the vast majority of the people are that are susceptible to severe cases and even death. That is where the rules should be concentrating on now, to protect the vulnerable.
The epitome of social distancing.
And mind boggling to me that it currently is a banned activity until May 18. Or at least the overnight stay part is banned. I personally can’t think of a place where I’m more safe from Covid.
Don’t hold your breath on May 18. States have been kicking the date further down the road for 6 weeks. People would freak out if the states were honest
Gov. Walz updated his Stay at Home order yesterday.
Walz also announced he’s scrapping his order that forced all “non-critical” businesses to close. “Retail stores and Main Street businesses can reopen,” he said, if they have a safety plan and don’t let customers fill more than 50 percent of their capacity. That step is estimated to return up to 37,000 more people to work over the next several weeks.
We cant just sit around, lose our jobs and die. I would rather go out swinging.
Open it up and let everyone determine their own precautions. I think the Governors see they are losing control of their states by continuously extending this. There is a breaking point and some are seeing how close they can get to it. I NEED A DAMN HAIRCUT!!!
Simple math… the unconfirmed cases of death in MN = 615 (591 confirmed)
There are 5,640,000 people in Minnesota
615/5,640,000 = .000109
615 deaths, 81% in long term healthcare (nursing home, hospital, not going home) = 498 deaths. 615-498 = 117 deaths of people not in long term healthcare.
117/5,640,000 = .0000207% of dying from Covid for the average person.
I will take my chances.
That is simple math, incorrect, but simple. I agree with you that the data we do have shows it is not a significant threat to young healthy people, but that is simply not how you calculate the mortality rate. The accurate way based off of current data is # who died because of Covid/# infected. And to get the most accurate way we will need significant randomized serological tests to see what percentage of the population has or had it and use that as the denominator against people who died because of covid. There was a Stanford study published about a month ago that did this and the mortality rate is similar to the flu, but with much more significant side effects for survivors. It is serious. Suiciding our economy and peoples livelihoods is also very serious. So I agree with most that we need to open up, continue to be careful, and like James I can’t wait to go out to eat for a week or two straight once we can 
Maybe the ban on some outdoor activities was to keep asymptomatic carriers out of areas that just weren’t then and are not now prepared for Covid cases?
There is so little known about this virus that I am still proceeding with caution. After all there have been enough documented cases of very healthy, fit, active individuals either dying or having serious long term health complications, IE lung damage, that I believe Covid is still a personal and social threat.
I’m okay with loosening the recommendations; I believe education was a side effect.
To those who believe that it was all a hoax I hope you don’t get it. If you do and are admitted please tell the health care pros taking care of you how you believe(d). To them it has been real and frightening the last 2 months & will be in the future.
Three healthcare professionals I know were/are more worried about furloughs and out of state nurses coming in to work then the virus. One of them is my sister who is RN in the ER at 1 of 3 Covid hospitals in the St. Paul. This has been my problem from the begining. People telling me or us how to feel and act in the name of “safety” you do what makes me feel safe and you do the same.
Clearly no one commenting on here has been infected with a serious case of it either otherwise they would not be spouting off as is if was overblown.
That is correct. Not many on this site are 75+ and living in a long term care type setting.
At least the BWCA is open again. Good lord. Shutting down 1.1 million acres of untouched land during a time like this is mind blowing. Then to open it to day use only, but not overnight camping was even more absurd. Oh well. Glad we’re on the path back to common sense now.
Simple math… the unconfirmed cases of death in MN = 615 (591 confirmed)
There are 5,640,000 people in Minnesota
615/5,640,000 = .000109
615 deaths, 81% in long term healthcare (nursing home, hospital, not going home) = 498 deaths. 615-498 = 117 deaths of people not in long term healthcare.
117/5,640,000 = .0000207% of dying from Covid for the average person.
I will take my chances.
This X10!
Why are people terrified of something with such low risk, compared to things with much higher risks?
I have an anti-body test scheduled for tomorrow but I may cancel. They arent cheap and Fri is now the best weather day of the weekend!! Maybe instead of giving so much money away the feds could make these important tests free?!
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>gimruis wrote:</div>
I’m fine with this phased in approach. I hope people continue to wear masks in public indoor settings, maintain distance, and practice good hygiene. You won’t catch me in a group of 10 just yet though.Can you provide any evidence that masks have helped in any way? Since they have suggested to wear masks (after saying they don’t help…..) the numbers continue to rise at a similar pace. Also, why haven’t the big box stores that are rib to rib with people everyday never turn into “hot spots”? I’m not saying this isn’t a real virus but the percentage numbers are much less scary than the overall cases.
I know this is a vanity fair article but it is a good summation of a few legit studies. If enough people wear masks it stops enough of the spread to significantly slow the virus down. Just some food for though
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2020/05/masks-covid-19-infections-would-plummet-new-study-says
I have an anti-body test scheduled for tomorrow but I may cancel. They arent cheap and Fri is now the best weather day of the weekend!! Maybe instead of giving so much money away the feds could make these important tests free?!
I hope you have looked into how good of a test it is. There are a bunch of different tests out there and a lot of them are proving to be pretty useless. I would do some digging before coughing up that dough
Thank god we ended this stupid ban,
People weren’t taking it serious anyways,
The sentiment here is clear and I hope the majority of you are correct. There is also validity to dying financially can be just a terrible cost as well.
We have an at risk person in our house. No changes at all for us. Going to sit on the sidelines and see how this “what if” plays out.
I’ve also been reading the history of the 1918/1919 flu. There are a lot of similarities between how we are reacting today, that we want haircuts, bars, restaraunts, everything fully back open to the same pressures and thoughts in 1918. They also opened up after initial quarantines and closures to sometimes terrible consequences. I’m aware this is not 1918, different virus, and worlds apart for our medical capabilities. I sincerely hope history does not repeat itself and there is great cost in human life because of our attitudes.
One last bit I’ll leave you with from economics. What’s the difference between a recession and a depression? A recession is when someone else loses their job. A depression is when you lose your job. As the phases of this virus change will it move from recession to depression for you personally?
For the people that are still scared, “STAY HOME”. Wear your mask but sure as hell don’t tell me I have to. There have been doctors even from the Mayo that say the masks “might help”. This has been a joke from day one. I haven’t missed a single day of work from the beginning and still going strong. Hell I might get in a car crash on my way home. Lets ban all automobiles. They’re killing machines. 
Really because you want a haircut is a good reason to put people at risk ? Either your with science or your not .
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Tom Sawvell wrote:</div>
The epitome of social distancing.And mind boggling to me that it currently is a banned activity until May 18. Or at least the overnight stay part is banned. I personally can’t think of a place where I’m more safe from Covid.
Yet menards and home depot are open to all to buy “essential” things like potted flowers, grass seed and remodeling the extra guest bedroom. Their parking lots are front to back, side to side packed. 90% of the people there are not buying “essential” things.
Sure glad we locked down the bwca to protect the high risk people, and are keeping menards and home depot open for business.
Makes zero sense.
Science still can’t decide if eggs coffee or sugar or wine are good or bad for me and they’ve had a millennial to figure it out. Science is not pure and not by any means without motive, that being money. Like everything else follow the money. That’s why every few years a study comes out to contradict the one before it then a few years later it swings back the other way. Science gets paid to do these studies.
Same reason Hydrochloroquine was poo pooed as a treatment. A drug that’s over 50 years old has been used world wide as a treatment for other things is widely available has no money left in it.
Fauci says there are eight or nine vaccines for covid currently being developed. He’s financially involved in nearly all these labs.
Science still can’t decide if eggs coffee or sugar or wine are good or bad for me and they’ve had a millennial to figure it out. Science is not pure and not by any means without motive, that being money. Like everything else follow the money. That’s why every few years a study comes out to contradict the one before it then a few years later it swings back the other way. Science gets paid to do these studies.
Same reason Hydrochloroquine was poo pooed as a treatment. A drug that’s over 50 years old has been used world wide as a treatment for other things is widely available has no money left in it.
Fauci says there are eight or nine vaccines for covid currently being developed. He’s financially involved in nearly all these labs.
Oh boy.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ice Cap wrote:</div>
Science still can’t decide if eggs coffee or sugar or wine are good or bad for me and they’ve had a millennial to figure it out. Science is not pure and not by any means without motive, that being money. Like everything else follow the money. That’s why every few years a study comes out to contradict the one before it then a few years later it swings back the other way. Science gets paid to do these studies.Same reason Hydrochloroquine was poo pooed as a treatment. A drug that’s over 50 years old has been used world wide as a treatment for other things is widely available has no money left in it.
Fauci says there are eight or nine vaccines for covid currently being developed. He’s financially involved in nearly all these labs.
Oh boy.
X2
has there been any word on the baseball season or upcoming football season?
just what we need, something else to divide us. in different times this pandemic would have brought this nation together. No more
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