State Park Goes Back to the Tribe

  • Bass Pundit
    8m S. of Platte/Sullivan Lakes, Minnesocold
    Posts: 1772
    #2262880

    So basically, these are land grabs for the hard left disguised under a virtue signal. Not good!

    Deuces
    Posts: 5236
    #2262964

    Legal precedents are what they are, old contracts are still contracts yes?

    There’s plenty of blame to our ancestral congressmen for even writing these up. Playing nice was not a very good way of assimilating the native population as most every conquering nation usually never did throughout history. But obviously assimilating a native population of practically opposite cultured people that didn’t speak your language, and was pretty heck bent on warfare, well, there’s that….

    Really tough way forward, I suspect much more butthurt to come on this matter in the next several years unless potus changes parties, even then theirs a myriad of international crapshow items to address

    Karry Kyllo
    Posts: 1269
    #2263002

    Legal precedents are what they are, old contracts are still contracts yes?

    This really says it all doesn’t it?

    jimmysiewert
    Posts: 507
    #2263039

    There is a huge difference between treaties and contracts. Let’s not forget that.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 11804
    #2263041

    There is a huge difference between treaties and contracts. Let’s not forget that.

    how so???? arent they both agreed upon by both parties and signed off on???? making it a legal document???/

    OG Net_Man
    Posts: 594
    #2263047

    Legal precedents are what they are, old contracts are still contracts yes?

    There’s plenty of blame to our ancestral congressmen for even writing these up. Playing nice was not a very good way of assimilating the native population as most every conquering nation usually never did throughout history. But obviously assimilating a native population of practically opposite cultured people that didn’t speak your language, and was pretty heck bent on warfare, well, there’s that….

    Really tough way forward, I suspect much more butthurt to come on this matter in the next several years unless potus changes parties, even then theirs a myriad of international crapshow items to address

    All we have to do is review the Mille Lacs debacle for reference. You have the 1837 treaty followed with the 1850 executive order by President Taylor then look at the Supreme ruling. The ruling was directly split on the liberal/conservative line. The tribes were wise to push forward with this while the Supreme court had a liberal majority.

    jimmysiewert
    Posts: 507
    #2263064

    Lots of scholar studies done on the difference. Treaties are more a “political” statement where a contract is more a legal document.

    Look through history and all the “treaties” that are broken – and not just in US. Just saying.

    Reef W
    Posts: 2726
    #2263074

    All we have to do is review the Mille Lacs debacle for reference. You have the 1837 treaty followed with the 1850 executive order by President Taylor then look at the Supreme ruling. The ruling was directly split on the liberal/conservative line. The tribes were wise to push forward with this while the Supreme court had a liberal majority.

    The 1999 State of Minnesota et al. v. Mille Lacs Band of Chippewa Indians et al. ?

    OG Net_Man
    Posts: 594
    #2263096

    Meant to say Supreme court ruling….. Yep, that would be the Supreme Court case that I was referring to

    Reef W
    Posts: 2726
    #2263110

    Meant to say Supreme court ruling….. Yep, that would be the Supreme Court case that I was referring to

    The ruling was directly split on the liberal/conservative line. The tribes were wise to push forward with this while the Supreme court had a liberal majority.

    7/9 were appointed by Republican presidents and maybe O’Connor wasn’t “conservative enough” or something but I definitely don’t think she was “liberal”.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11624
    #2263221

    7/9 were appointed by Republican presidents and maybe O’Connor wasn’t “conservative enough” or something but I definitely don’t think she was “liberal”.

    It was a 5-4 decision, with the following justices making the majority decision and who appointed them: Justice Breyer (Clinton), Ginsburg (Clinton), Souter (HW Bush, but voted with the liberal wing regularly by end of his term, and retired in 2009 under Obama), Stevens (Nixon appointed but voted with the liberal wing by end of his time on the court, and retired during Obama’s term also), and O’Connor (Reagan and retired during W Bush’s term).

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11624
    #2268747

    And back on the White Earth State Forest issue, here’s a MPR link and some telling quotes imo.

    “We’ve never had the concept of owning land at all,” he explained. “That was brought onto us by the U.S. government in trying to make us farmers. It was a strange concept to us. The land should be used by everybody, not just one person.” Then why are you pursuing it? It’s public land now available to everyone and tribal harvest regulation extends.

    “While acknowledging there might have been fraud in the past, Nelson believes the White Earth Land Settlement Act of 1985, which cleared the title to about 100,000 acres of private land, resolved past wrongs.

    The 1985 act provided White Earth with $6.5 million for economic development — funds that were used to build a tribal casino. The act also returned 10,000 acres of land to the tribal government, a process that took 27 years to complete.”

    http://www.mprnews.org/story/2024/04/16/tensions-build-as-white-earth-nation-tries-to-assert-authority-over-state-forest-land-use

    Sylvanboat
    Posts: 986
    #2268748

    Potawatomi Tribe has been given tribal status over land in Illinois they are seeking the state to hand over. They need Reservation status from Congress so they won’t pay real estate taxes for the land. This has been going on for decades but the Democrats intend to hand over the land.

    Lou W
    Posts: 206
    #2268806

    I recall reading several books that talk of the Ojibwa and dakotas fighting over land. Sounds like ownership squabbles to me.

    Mike Schulz
    Osakis/Long Prairie
    Posts: 1245
    #2277803

    and what will be next??

    Mike Schulz
    Osakis/Long Prairie
    Posts: 1245
    #2277810

    that’s most likely right Dutch

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16650
    #2277811

    To be fair I guess I doubt a national forest pays any taxes.

    Riverrat
    Posts: 1524
    #2277815

    https://www.dnr.state.mn.us/news/2024/06/13/hill-annex-mine-state-park-permanently-closed-allow-mining-resume#:~:text=Hill%20Annex%20Mine%20State%20Park,Minnesota%20DNR

    This should be okay though right. I mean at least its going to a big corporation and not the tribes. In 75 years our great grandchildren can swim in the evergreen waters of the Hill Annex cess-pools. At some point we need to realize these parks are not for us but our kids and we cant just invest in them and then give them away again.

    munchy
    NULL
    Posts: 4931
    #2277834

    To be fair, the contract setup for the Hill Annex Park was that it was able to be returned to mining operations when requested. The park never would have been there had the mine never been dug and the mine owner turn it over to the state for temporary public use. This is nothing like the other land grabs.

    tswoboda
    Posts: 8503
    #2277843

    This should be okay though right. I mean at least its going to a big corporation and not the tribes.

    Are we not allowed to dislike both?

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