Spring 2020 Flood Outlook

  • buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8181
    #1908480

    With the threads going about the next week’s “warm-up”, I figured it’s never too early to get a discussion going about Spring flooding. I completely realize Winter is nowhere near over and that a lot of cold weather is still in the works, but recent talks has me at least day dreaming of Spring.

    The river currently is at 10.24′ in Wabasha (action stage) and 10.21′ in Lake City which is only 2′ from minor flood stage. To add a reference point, that’s a good 3.5′ above what most would consider “normal pool”, and even greater than what would be considered “normal pool” for winter. I realize we do not have the snowpack currently that last Winter brought, but the river is also a lot higher now than it was last winter at this point and there’s a lot of time to add snow yet.

    The attached image is probability data from the Wabasha gauge that is set to be updated in the next week. Keep in mind the graph does not show probability based on the current levels. These predictions will go up significantly with levels currently 3+’ higher than what they base the original predictions off of. My gut tells me that if we get any significant snowfall in February or late winter rain events, we will be back at similar levels as last year. Another record snowfall in February could push our flood risk and levels even higher than last year. For those not familiar with Pool 4, last Spring was a mess until July with high water the rest of way.

    Here’s to a lengthy dry pattern that lasts until April toast

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    Deuces
    Posts: 5236
    #1908486

    Flood terrorist

    tomr
    cottage grove, mn
    Posts: 1275
    #1908509

    I really missed fishing pool 4 in the spring last year. Hoping this year will be more normal as I love that vertical jig bite. And ofcourse a normal spring will see me throwing those @#$@% blade baits again in futility. I am going to figure them out or die trying. Thanks James and Eric for that blade bait video that is stuck in my head which must be spliced together over several years. toast

    Tom P.
    Whitehall Wi.
    Posts: 3526
    #1908519

    The ground is still so saturated yet it won`t take much to flood, my low ground [swamp] has never been this wet this late in the year.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #1908527

    With record water levels I wonder if we are going to see some drastic swings in fish populations.

    riverruns
    Inactive
    Posts: 2218
    #1908547

    We could start a river crest prediction thread.

    I’m predicting it’s going to be uglier than we’ve ever seen it. I live on it and its higher than it’s ever been this time of year.

    Hopefully these weeks of warm weather will melt some of it and get rid of it.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #1908552

    My prediction is there will be high water this spring.

    tomr
    cottage grove, mn
    Posts: 1275
    #1908556

    so if high water do you fish it? I did not this last spring as seemed moving very fast for me.

    1hl&sinker
    On the St.Croix
    Posts: 2501
    #1908565

    With record water levels I wonder if we are going to see some drastic swings in fish populations.

    For the good! For the good!!!!! It won’t work if you dont chant it.

    eyeguy507
    SE MN
    Posts: 5215
    #1908566

    daamit bucky! i was just getting excited about some nice weather to ice fish next 2 weeks and now you got to tell me, I won’t be able to get into a good spring bite until June again! it’s not just the rivers, the great lakes are really high too with some serious erosion going on, especially on lake Michigan. If those glaciers keep melting at this pace, we will all need houseboats.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #1908568

    so if high water do you fish it? I did not this last spring as seemed moving very fast for me.

    After spending to much time making maple syrup and not fishing last spring not a chance Im missing it this year.

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8181
    #1908569

    With record water levels I wonder if we are going to see some drastic swings in fish populations.

    I’d love to hear more opinions on what the beyond flood stage waters for multiple years in a row does to river fish populations. I know moderately high water for an extended period (length being key) can help with the river’s walleye spawn and survival rate of fry. I’d assume the less pressure and corresponding reduced harvest have a slight positive impact on populations as well. However, there has to be some downfalls with record flooding. What happens to spawning grounds? Are fish displaced to either die or to other pools? There’s so many variables involved for my starved, tired brain.

    Chippman
    Chippewa County, Wi
    Posts: 129
    #1908589

    They just closed the gates on the Chippewa River here in Chippewa Falls river was way up for the last two weeks. So I’m assuming the normal winter draw down of some of the northern flowages might be a problem because WI. does have allot of snow up north so I’m thinking the Chip will be providing a large amount this spring even without anymore added in the future.
    As far as fishing high waters usually mean better than average spawning unless
    you have a sudden drop that leaves eggs high and dry.
    Last time I fished high waters was fishing in trees 5 foot of water over what was an island the only thing you could see of the dam was the tops of pillars, the lund 1775 handled water fine but still very nervous running the river.
    Catching 5 to 7lb mississippi eyes on a short line was awesome!!!!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1908598

    I was talking with the CoE’s this morning about how high the water is for this time of the year.

    I was asking if they were have any drawdowns upstream that’s giving us all this water.

    The senior employee explain to me that the ice pack is holding back more water than the dams are, and there was more water through the system this year than any year on record. Not highest level but more actual flow.

    He agreed that if something didn’t change, this year is going to “suck“.

    Personally I don’t believe that fishing pressure is going to be making that much difference in any year. Since most Mississippi river walleyes spawn in the weeds or as they say “willows”, it sure won’t hurt the (walleye) spawn.

    milemark_714
    Posts: 1287
    #1908621

    If the weather pattern continues as it has been,it will be bad.And if a warm-up/heavy rain event happens in late March/April,that will push it over the edge.Speculation is favoring a historic flood in many areas.I would love to see a drought start in mid February and continue into mid-May,like in spring 2012.

    A lot of species of fish will benefit from high water,as long as there isn’t a major cold snap in April/early May.And high water keeps down the pressure in many pools.

    FishBlood&RiverMud
    Prescott
    Posts: 6687
    #1908634

    The fish will be fine bucky.

    You lowered limits.

    Funny how much some of you freak out.

    rmartin
    United States
    Posts: 1434
    #1908638

    Seems like spring flooding is becoming a 3 season event for pool 4.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1908663

    ^ Fact!

    I believe I had a camper at the “last” resort for 5+ years before I got a call from Dean mentioning I might want to start thinking about pulling out from flooding.

    Then it was pulled twice in one year and it’s been getting worse ever since.

    There’s been a good number of folks that have sold or moved their campers away from the river (especially after last year) because they are tired of moving from high water. Campgrounds do not refund fees because of flooding (or anything else for that matter).

    The weekend campers ended up with 6 to 8 weekends of enjoying camping last year. Either their lot was flooded, about to be flooded or were moving their campers in or out.

    It’s at this point when a person is a ton of money ahead to head to a lake resort where they know they can launch.

    FYI My FW thought selling off the camper and buying a boat would be the ticket but a person still needs to get to the boat to use it. (

    Dean Marshall
    Chippewa Falls WI /Ramsey MN
    Posts: 5854
    #1908674

    High water trends typically favor record spawn year classes in my experience. We certainly appear to be having trends far higher than normal in recent years….Mother nature appears to have an agenda !

    milemark_714
    Posts: 1287
    #1908756

    Seems like spring flooding is becoming a 3 season event for pool 4.

    And the summer,fall and winter flooding on some pools.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 11832
    #1908760

    at the moment up here by elk river and ramsey the river really came up alot the last few days. the ice is really starting to pile up/jam by some of the bridges i’ve crossed over.

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8181
    #1908780

    I would be fine with a month of 35-40 degrees to get rid of the ice jams and not another snowflake. Unfortunately that and winning the lottery seem to have similar odds. My ideal spring consists of moderately high water well into June. Unfortunately this Winter has that moderately high water before the melt even begins. There’s a lot of time left…but I’d bet on a mess on the river this spring.

    FishBlood&RiverMud
    Prescott
    Posts: 6687
    #1908786

    Should give you plenty of time to practice being in a boat in high water.
    devil

    eyeguy507
    SE MN
    Posts: 5215
    #1908854

    And when you’re done practicing, you can go bird watching!

    Deleted
    Posts: 959
    #1908899

    No rush this spring to get the boat out again. That’s my prediction.

    riverruns
    Inactive
    Posts: 2218
    #1908922

    The fish will be fine bucky.

    You lowered limits.

    Funny how much some of you freak out.

    And alot of us helped him. wink

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8181
    #1908976

    The fish will be fine bucky.

    You lowered limits.

    Funny how much some of you freak out.

    I’m pushing to turn Pools 3 & 4 into a catch and release fishery. I can’t wait to hack the next MNDNR survey with hundreds of responses again. The high water and potential flood are just the diversion I need.

    tangler
    Inactive
    Posts: 812
    #1908981

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>FishBlood&RiverMud wrote:</div>
    The fish will be fine bucky.

    You lowered limits.

    Funny how much some of you freak out.

    I’m pushing to turn Pools 3 & 4 into a catch and release fishery. I can’t wait to hack the next MNDNR survey with hundreds of responses again. The high water and potential flood are just the diversion I need.

    Works great for all us citiots up here on pool 2!

    FishBlood&RiverMud
    Prescott
    Posts: 6687
    #1908999

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>FishBlood&RiverMud wrote:</div>
    The fish will be fine bucky.

    You lowered limits.

    Funny how much some of you freak out.

    I’m pushing to turn Pools 3 & 4 into a catch and release fishery. I can’t wait to hack the next MNDNR survey with hundreds of responses again. The high water and potential flood are just the diversion I need.

    Yeah that’ll never happen.

    DNR loves fish harvest

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