Sportsmen for the Boundary Waters

Ahren Wagner wrote:

There’s tons of other places to get iron from. Mining is great just not in places like the BWCA!

As stated before, no mining will take place in the BWCA…

Curious why they would schedule something called sportsmen for the boundary waters when a lot of sportsmen will be hunting?

Article in the Duluth paper says the supreme Court denies line 3 appeal and likely will move forward.

Also a nice editorial regarding mining and coal plants.

snowflake wrote:

Defenders of the short-sighted men who in their greed and selfishness will, if permitted, rob our country of half its charm by their reckless extermination of all useful and beautiful wild things sometimes seek to champion them by saying the “the game belongs to the people.” So it does; and not merely to the people now alive, but to the unborn people. The “greatest good for the greatest number” applies to the number within the womb of time, compared to which those now alive form but an insignificant fraction. Our duty to the whole, including the unborn generations, bids us restrain an unprincipled present-day minority from wasting the heritage of these unborn generations. The movement for the conservation of wild life and the larger movement for the conservation of all our natural resources are essentially democratic in spirit, purpose, and method.

T. Roosevelt

US Population when Roosevelt was alive approx 86,000,000
Us Population today 330,000,000

suzuki wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>snowflake wrote:</div>
Defenders of the short-sighted men who in their greed and selfishness will, if permitted, rob our country of half its charm by their reckless extermination of all useful and beautiful wild things sometimes seek to champion them by saying the “the game belongs to the people.” So it does; and not merely to the people now alive, but to the unborn people. The “greatest good for the greatest number” applies to the number within the womb of time, compared to which those now alive form but an insignificant fraction. Our duty to the whole, including the unborn generations, bids us restrain an unprincipled present-day minority from wasting the heritage of these unborn generations. The movement for the conservation of wild life and the larger movement for the conservation of all our natural resources are essentially democratic in spirit, purpose, and method.

T. Roosevelt

US Population when Roosevelt was alive approx 86,000,000
Us Population today 330,000,000

Still applies, no?

moustachesteve wrote:

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Thanks for sharing.

philtickelson wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>suzuki wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>snowflake wrote:</div>
Defenders of the short-sighted men who in their greed and selfishness will, if permitted, rob our country of half its charm by their reckless extermination of all useful and beautiful wild things sometimes seek to champion them by saying the “the game belongs to the people.” So it does; and not merely to the people now alive, but to the unborn people. The “greatest good for the greatest number” applies to the number within the womb of time, compared to which those now alive form but an insignificant fraction. Our duty to the whole, including the unborn generations, bids us restrain an unprincipled present-day minority from wasting the heritage of these unborn generations. The movement for the conservation of wild life and the larger movement for the conservation of all our natural resources are essentially democratic in spirit, purpose, and method.

T. Roosevelt

US Population when Roosevelt was alive approx 86,000,000
Us Population today 330,000,000

Still applies, no?

Yuuuup.

philtickelson wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>suzuki wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>snowflake wrote:</div>
Defenders of the short-sighted men who in their greed and selfishness will, if permitted, rob our country of half its charm by their reckless extermination of all useful and beautiful wild things sometimes seek to champion them by saying the “the game belongs to the people.” So it does; and not merely to the people now alive, but to the unborn people. The “greatest good for the greatest number” applies to the number within the womb of time, compared to which those now alive form but an insignificant fraction. Our duty to the whole, including the unborn generations, bids us restrain an unprincipled present-day minority from wasting the heritage of these unborn generations. The movement for the conservation of wild life and the larger movement for the conservation of all our natural resources are essentially democratic in spirit, purpose, and method.

T. Roosevelt

US Population when Roosevelt was alive approx 86,000,000
Us Population today 330,000,000

Still applies, no?

Not as much. But more people equals more resources, no?

suzuki wrote:

Not as much. More people equals more resources.

The more people we have grabbing to get a piece of every last mineral this planet has to offer, the more important it remains to set aside certain wild and natural places to be fully protected for ever. If we can’t protect a place like the BWCA, where do we draw the line?

Greenhorn wrote:

As stated before, no mining will take place in the BWCA…

Technically speaking, sure. Twin Metals is set to for sulfide-ore copper mining outside of the bwca boundary, and immediately in the bwca watershed. near the shore of the South Kawishiwi River.

suzuki wrote:

Not as much. But more people equals more resources, no?

You completely missed the point of the speech.

glenn57 wrote:

Article in the Duluth paper says the supreme Court denies line 3 appeal and likely will move forward.

Also a nice editorial regarding mining and coal plants.

Just to be clear, the court of appeals has ruled to suspended Polymet’s permits, citing “serious, justifiable concerns”.

This is a win for the BWCA, I just hope it’s not temporary.

biggill wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>suzuki wrote:</div>
Not as much. But more people equals more resources, no?

You completely missed the point of the speech.

I missed nothing nor were my comments in reference to any speech. You are wrong.

suzuki wrote:

I missed nothing nor were my comments in reference to any speech. You are wrong.

So you didn’t quote the Theodore Roosevelt speech and comment on it? You didn’t compare the us population at the time of his presidency compared to now?

biggill wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>suzuki wrote:</div>
I missed nothing nor were my comments in reference to any speech. You are wrong.

So you didn’t quote the Theodore Roosevelt speech and comment on it? You didn’t compare the us population at the time of his presidency compared to now?

Im sick of you coming after me. You have a history of it and it needs to stop.

I’m sorry you feel that way but I Have never come after you. Never.

walleyevision wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>glenn57 wrote:</div>
Article in the Duluth paper says the supreme Court denies line 3 appeal and likely will move forward.

Also a nice editorial regarding mining and coal plants.

Just to be clear, the court of appeals has ruled to suspended Polymet’s permits, citing “serious, justifiable concerns”.

This is a win for the BWCA, I just hope it’s not temporary.

it’s temporary. And that big of news came a day after the article I read.

In case you are interested, here is another organization fighting the mining near the bwca. They were at the state fair.

https://friends-bwca.salsalabs.org/2018annualgatheringinvite_copy2_copy1_copy1_copy1_copy1_copy2_copy1_copy1_copy1_copy3_copy2?wvpId=9ae3ddcd-dce4-4756-9b04-f83324fe02cc

PolyMets permits to mine have been rejected.

http://m.startribune.com/minnesota-appeals-court-rejects-three-polymet-permits-sends-them-back-to-dnr-for-hearing/566940532/

Now bipartisan legislation has been introduced to protect the BWCA permanently.

biggill wrote:

PolyMets permits to mine have been rejected.

http://m.startribune.com/minnesota-appeals-court-rejects-three-polymet-permits-sends-them-back-to-dnr-for-hearing/566940532/

Now bipartisan legislation has been introduced to protect the BWCA permanently.

Thanks for posting the update BG. Awesome news for those who wish to protect the BWCA watershed.

tangler wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>biggill wrote:</div>
PolyMets permits to mine have been rejected.

http://m.startribune.com/minnesota-appeals-court-rejects-three-polymet-permits-sends-them-back-to-dnr-for-hearing/566940532/

Now bipartisan legislation has been introduced to protect the BWCA permanently.

Thanks for posting the update BG. Awesome news for those who wish to protect the BWCA watershed.

Again, PolyMet is not in the BWCA watershed! Don’t buy into the environmentalist lies!

Greenhorn wrote:

Again, Polymet is not in the BWCA watershed!

Never said it was. Polymet and Twin Metals are two different projects. I get it.

Polymet opens the door for copper-sulfide mining in the BWCA watershed in spite of the environmental impacts. It sets a precedence for how these mining permits are going to be handled.

Lots of chirping from folks that live outside of the region that think they know best when they clearly know little about this topic…And getting they’re “facts” from an environmental Extremist organization, to boot.

I implore each one of you to actually sit down and read the mine plans that extremely intelligent Engineers who live, work and play in this area have diligently worked over and over and over to suit the mountain of Environmental Regulations have developed. They are sound! The folks that are currently working at these mines to get them operational are for the most part folks that live up here, and once they finally begin to mine, will employ primarily local people. People that will want to ensure they are on the up and up at all costs.

As we as a society move closer to a “greener” energy grid, how do you suppose we build the infrastructure needed to get there? Each and every windmill, solar panel and battery will require mass quantities of the very metals Polymet and Twin Metals will be mining for. Do we just continue on mining them out of 3rd world countries where there are ZERO environmental regulations, just as long as it’s “not in our back yard”? What about the environments in those countries? A sad reality is that geology dictates where these metals are located, and beautiful landscapes tend to go hand in hand. You aren’t going to be able to mine for these metals in the desert, or in Minneapolis. Do you think Polymet or TM would spend the fortunes they have if they could go get it elsewhere? It’s up here and it is in high demand.

Why not put Minnesotan workers to work, and mine these necessary metals we need with the strictest Environmental oversight in the world? The mine plans are solid! Technology has changed! It can be done without jeopardizing the places we love. Look to Michigan to a modern, successfully operating mine, not at the relics of the past that were doomed from archaic engineering practices.

Each and every one of you relies on these metals for you daily life. Unless you give it all up, you’re being very hypocritical in your opinions.

Cheers!

Greenhorn wrote:

Again, PolyMet is not in the BWCA watershed! Don’t buy into the environmentalist lies!

Easy fella. Simple mistake. You are correct. Twin Metals is in the BWCA watershed. Polymet is 12 miles away in the Lake Superior watershed. Because of that fact many have chosen to focus more seriously on fighting Twin Metals, but Polymet is a threat as well. Hydrologic models have shown that toxins PolyMet’s proposed mining waste storage would flow into the Rainy River watershed and pollute the Boundary Waters.

Environmentalist lies?

I guess if I’m being lied to and the end result is that our natural resources are protected, I’ll get over the lie. DANG, they pulled one over on us and now we’re stuck with these pristine wilderness areas and somebody else got rich pulling copper outta the ground.

DeRangedFishinguy wrote:

Lots of chirping from folks that live outside of the region that think they know best when they clearly know little about this topic…And getting they’re “facts” from an environmental Extremist organization, to boot.

A person’s place of residence has nothing to do with being educated on the topic. You can disagree with the opposing viewpoint all day, it doesn’t make them wrong.

DeRangedFishinguy wrote:

The folks that are currently working at these mines to get them operational are for the most part folks that live up here, and once they finally begin to mine, will employ primarily local people. People that will want to ensure they are on the up and up at all costs.

“PolyMet is now 72% owned by the Swiss mining conglomerate Glencore PLC, which has been cited by government pollution regulators in other countries and is under investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice in a corruption probe.” – Yes, sounds good. I’m sure they will listen to the locals!

DeRangedFishinguy wrote:

Lots of chirping from folks that live outside of the region that think they know best when they clearly know little about this topic…And getting they’re “facts” from an environmental Extremist organization, to boot.

I implore each one of you to actually sit down and read the mine plans that extremely intelligent Engineers who live, work and play in this area have diligently worked over and over and over to suit the mountain of Environmental Regulations have developed. They are sound! The folks that are currently working at these mines to get them operational are for the most part folks that live up here, and once they finally begin to mine, will employ primarily local people. People that will want to ensure they are on the up and up at all costs.

As we as a society move closer to a “greener” energy grid, how do you suppose we build the infrastructure needed to get there? Each and every windmill, solar panel and battery will require mass quantities of the very metals Polymet and Twin Metals will be mining for. Do we just continue on mining them out of 3rd world countries where there are ZERO environmental regulations, just as long as it’s “not in our back yard”? What about the environments in those countries? A sad reality is that geology dictates where these metals are located, and beautiful landscapes tend to go hand in hand. You aren’t going to be able to mine for these metals in the desert, or in Minneapolis. Do you think Polymet or TM would spend the fortunes they have if they could go get it elsewhere? It’s up here and it is in high demand.

Why not put Minnesotan workers to work, and mine these necessary metals we need with the strictest Environmental oversight in the world? The mine plans are solid! Technology has changed! It can be done without jeopardizing the places we love. Look to Michigan to a modern, successfully operating mine, not at the relics of the past that were doomed from archaic engineering practices.

Each and every one of you relies on these metals for you daily life. Unless you give it all up, you’re being very hypocritical in your opinions.

Cheers!

You mean the same intelligent engineer, hired by twin metals, whose tailing design (same design he’s planned for MN) collapsed in Brazil spewing toxic tailings waste into their watershed, oh and also which killed 200 people? That one?

walleyevision wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>DeRangedFishinguy wrote:</div>
Lots of chirping from folks that live outside of the region that think they know best when they clearly know little about this topic…And getting they’re “facts” from an environmental Extremist organization, to boot.

I implore each one of you to actually sit down and read the mine plans that extremely intelligent Engineers who live, work and play in this area have diligently worked over and over and over to suit the mountain of Environmental Regulations have developed. They are sound! The folks that are currently working at these mines to get them operational are for the most part folks that live up here, and once they finally begin to mine, will employ primarily local people. People that will want to ensure they are on the up and up at all costs.

As we as a society move closer to a “greener” energy grid, how do you suppose we build the infrastructure needed to get there? Each and every windmill, solar panel and battery will require mass quantities of the very metals Polymet and Twin Metals will be mining for. Do we just continue on mining them out of 3rd world countries where there are ZERO environmental regulations, just as long as it’s “not in our back yard”? What about the environments in those countries? A sad reality is that geology dictates where these metals are located, and beautiful landscapes tend to go hand in hand. You aren’t going to be able to mine for these metals in the desert, or in Minneapolis. Do you think Polymet or TM would spend the fortunes they have if they could go get it elsewhere? It’s up here and it is in high demand.

Why not put Minnesotan workers to work, and mine these necessary metals we need with the strictest Environmental oversight in the world? The mine plans are solid! Technology has changed! It can be done without jeopardizing the places we love. Look to Michigan to a modern, successfully operating mine, not at the relics of the past that were doomed from archaic engineering practices.

Each and every one of you relies on these metals for you daily life. Unless you give it all up, you’re being very hypocritical in your opinions.

Cheers!

You mean the same intelligent engineer, hired by twin metals, whose tailing design (same design he’s planned for MN) collapsed in Brazil spewing toxic tailings waste into their watershed, oh and also which killed 200 people? That one?

buckybadger wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>walleyevision wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>DeRangedFishinguy wrote:</div>
Lots of chirping from folks that live outside of the region that think they know best when they clearly know little about this topic…And getting they’re “facts” from an environmental Extremist organization, to boot.

I implore each one of you to actually sit down and read the mine plans that extremely intelligent Engineers who live, work and play in this area have diligently worked over and over and over to suit the mountain of Environmental Regulations have developed. They are sound! The folks that are currently working at these mines to get them operational are for the most part folks that live up here, and once they finally begin to mine, will employ primarily local people. People that will want to ensure they are on the up and up at all costs.

As we as a society move closer to a “greener” energy grid, how do you suppose we build the infrastructure needed to get there? Each and every windmill, solar panel and battery will require mass quantities of the very metals Polymet and Twin Metals will be mining for. Do we just continue on mining them out of 3rd world countries where there are ZERO environmental regulations, just as long as it’s “not in our back yard”? What about the environments in those countries? A sad reality is that geology dictates where these metals are located, and beautiful landscapes tend to go hand in hand. You aren’t going to be able to mine for these metals in the desert, or in Minneapolis. Do you think Polymet or TM would spend the fortunes they have if they could go get it elsewhere? It’s up here and it is in high demand.

Why not put Minnesotan workers to work, and mine these necessary metals we need with the strictest Environmental oversight in the world? The mine plans are solid! Technology has changed! It can be done without jeopardizing the places we love. Look to Michigan to a modern, successfully operating mine, not at the relics of the past that were doomed from archaic engineering practices.

Each and every one of you relies on these metals for you daily life. Unless you give it all up, you’re being very hypocritical in your opinions.

Cheers!

You mean the same intelligent engineer, hired by twin metals, whose tailing design (same design he’s planned for MN) collapsed in Brazil spewing toxic tailings waste into their watershed, oh and also which killed 200 people? That one?

This subject by those are in favor are subject to post-truth. I understand the the need to over look facts for ones benefit. Ones benefit does not overseed the likes of our future with orchestrated lies and misinformation and manipulation of facts.
What percentage of Mn of workers will be hired. Aside for the over inflated estimate of workers hired what will the actual number be?
Will those numbers be beneficial to local businesses to be beneficial?

1hl&sinker wrote:

This subject by those are in favor are subject to post-truth. I understand the the need to over look facts for ones benefit. Ones benefit does not overseed the likes of our future with orchestrated lies and misinformation and manipulation of facts.
What percentage of Mn of workers will be hired. Aside for the over inflated estimate of workers hired what will the actual number be?
Will those numbers be beneficial to local businesses to be beneficial?

What happens in 10-20 years when the mine is spent? You’ve generated millions or billions in economic growth, what happens when the economy is gone?

What happens in 5 years if the mine is shut down because of an accident or environmental violations? Who pays for the accident? Who pays for the cleanup?

The resorsouses will be spent continuing a cycle. I was in Missouri for a bit a small town was transformed by a pennatrary. Not good enough for the north? Big business seems to fallow. Not looking for what you want? Catch 22. Screw the environment for what you want for the few that benefit or benefit the mass . Both have side effects.

DeRangedFishinguy wrote:

Lots of chirping from folks that live outside of the region that think they know best when they clearly know little about this topic…And getting they’re “facts” from an environmental Extremist organization, to boot.

I implore each one of you to actually sit down and read the mine plans that extremely intelligent Engineers who live, work and play in this area have diligently worked over and over and over to suit the mountain of Environmental Regulations have developed. They are sound! The folks that are currently working at these mines to get them operational are for the most part folks that live up here, and once they finally begin to mine, will employ primarily local people. People that will want to ensure they are on the up and up at all costs.

As we as a society move closer to a “greener” energy grid, how do you suppose we build the infrastructure needed to get there? Each and every windmill, solar panel and battery will require mass quantities of the very metals Polymet and Twin Metals will be mining for. Do we just continue on mining them out of 3rd world countries where there are ZERO environmental regulations, just as long as it’s “not in our back yard”? What about the environments in those countries? A sad reality is that geology dictates where these metals are located, and beautiful landscapes tend to go hand in hand. You aren’t going to be able to mine for these metals in the desert, or in Minneapolis. Do you think Polymet or TM would spend the fortunes they have if they could go get it elsewhere? It’s up here and it is in high demand.

Why not put Minnesotan workers to work, and mine these necessary metals we need with the strictest Environmental oversight in the world? The mine plans are solid! Technology has changed! It can be done without jeopardizing the places we love. Look to Michigan to a modern, successfully operating mine, not at the relics of the past that were doomed from archaic engineering practices.

Each and every one of you relies on these metals for you daily life. Unless you give it all up, you’re being very hypocritical in your opinions.

Cheers!

well said!!