There is less than 50 days left in the session and neither version has even had a hearing in a committee. They can’t get any agreement on the first step in passing a budget. There is zero chance that these bills go anyplace. Look at the names on the bills. It’s the same band of citiots that try to ban anything and everything.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>10klakes wrote:</div>
Coincidentally, speaking of being worried about stupid bills, I just found this one:HF1540. “Thoroughbred Racehorse Residency Program”. Purpose- stimulate Minnesota’s equine industry and support stable hands….
Racehorse owners will receive $750 everyday one of their horse’s race; if said horse is boarded at a MN racetrack for 120 or more days a year..
Note this is per horse- they could get $3,000 in one day if they own and enter 4 horse’s. It would be funded by tax payer dollars coming from the general fund.Bill authors:
Ben Bakeberg (R)
Brad Tabke (D)This is another attempt to buy the horse racing industry’s silence on the tribes sports gambling monopoly. God forbid Canterbury and Running Aces allow sports betting on premises. The tribe hates competition. If you’re paying attention the tribes are the only ones selling legal weed in MN despite it being legalized almost 2 years ago now too.
As soon as I saw race horses involved i figured there was a way to connect this to tribal/ casino profits one way or another.
Let’s just have a free for all then Fins on public land and water. Sounds like that is what you want correct?
That’s why it’s called public land.
Maybe all you haters should just go buy your own private land if it’s so unbearable to see or hear other people enjoying what’s theirs. It’s public land. Deal with it. It’s not like you people sitting in a tree waiting for a dumb animal to walk by are bring in any revenue to the areas anyways.
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I’m all for seeing and hearing people enjoying themselves outdoors. There are rules and trails to follow. Tearing up the landscape just because I’m a taxpayer doesn’t cut it. Consideration for other people to also enjoy the outdoors is to be expected. JMO
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>jimmysiewert wrote:</div>
Let’s just have a free for all then Fins on public land and water. Sounds like that is what you want correct?That’s why it’s called public land.
I think you are on the wrong forum then. This forum is for sportsmen(women) who appreciate the “public” outdoors – and respects – and puts the resources over their personal “it’s all about me” attitude
There’s so many lazy and sometimes fat people who would do anything to avoid taking a step they don’t have to. The less hicks out tearing around on 4-wheelers the better.
Where’s the popcorn? 
There’s so many lazy and sometimes fat people who would do anything to avoid taking a step they don’t have to. The less hicks out tearing around on 4-wheelers the better.
Maybe you should get off your worthless a$$ and get a job that can afford you to buy your own land if you’re so worried about hicks. Your the broke one whining on an Internet forum because you can’t afford your own area.
There’s so many lazy and sometimes fat people who would do anything to avoid taking a step they don’t have to. The less hicks out tearing around on 4-wheelers the better.
There’s been a few years when it’s nice where I haven’t bought a rifle tag just so I can ride around and screw you guys over.
Find,
I have bow hunted in 16 states and I can guarantee every state and community I spent money they were grateful for the revenue.
Is m all for atv’s used on authorized roads and trails. It’s the unauthorized trails or closed roads that the line is drawn at.
Not to mention wildlife management areas are for wildlife management and no motorized vehicles are allowed yet every year I see 4 wheeler tracks everywhere on them.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>glenn57 wrote:</div>
may want to check out house file #1012 and senate file 1245.a bill was introduced that could limit/cut off use of nonmotorized trails in state forests.
from the info i got not even the trails mgr for the DNR agrees with this!!Am I missing something… Aren’t they called nonmotorized trails for a reason?
I’m sure it’s an unpopular opinion, but my tax dollars pay for that public land as well, and I like going out to the woods to get away from people. That includes not seeing signs of people(wheeler trails, trash, destroyed wetlands, etc), and hearing wheelers ripping around the woods all the time. Make designated areas for motorized vehicles, and leave the rest for everyone else. If you need an atv to get out and hunt make an exception for disabilities, health problems, and age similar to what crossbow hunting was and should still be in my opinion.
This^
Atv owner/enjoyer here, but for gods sake, be respectful and responsible.
As an aside: are upland hunters allowed to walk/hunt ohv trails? Been genuinely curious about this and last I checked didn’t see any direct answer in the regs, unless I missed it. Thanks.
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As an aside: are upland hunters allowed to walk/hunt ohv trails? Been genuinely curious about this and last I checked didn’t see any direct answer in the regs, unless I missed it. Thanks.
I can’t find anything that says specifically either. My assumption is you can walk and hunt anywhere on most types of public properties but OHVs are not allowed unless posted. A trail being posted to allow OHVs doesn’t remove any other use, it just says OHVs can go somewhere they are otherwise disallowed.
Coincidentally, speaking of being worried about stupid bills, I just found this one:
HF1540. “Thoroughbred Racehorse Residency Program”. Purpose- stimulate Minnesota’s equine industry and support stable hands….
Racehorse owners will receive $750 everyday one of their horse’s race; if said horse is boarded at a MN racetrack for 120 or more days a year..
Note this is per horse- they could get $3,000 in one day if they own and enter 4 horse’s. It would be funded by tax payer dollars coming from the general fund.Bill authors:
Ben Bakeberg (R)
Brad Tabke (D)
But don’t leave this part out.
“Mental health and education grants. Beginning in calendar year 2026, the
commissioner of agriculture must award grants to organizations that develop or deliver mental health and educational services to the stable workers of a racetrack or to others in the racetrack’s local community.”
The horse racing industry is always trying to increase their revenue but grabbing money from the general fund seems wrong. Yep, looks like a offering to keep the horse racing industry from nipping at the heals of the Indian gambling industry in Minnesota.
I have sent of a e-mail reflecting my irratation of this bill to my house representative this morning.
HF1540 – And I received a response from my rep.
“Thanks for sharing this bill introduction, as I am not on the Ag committee.
With being spent into a looming $6 Billion deficit, I don’t see that this proposal even gets a bill hearing, nor passage.”
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>jimmysiewert wrote:</div>
Let’s just have a free for all then Fins on public land and water. Sounds like that is what you want correct?That’s why it’s called public land.
So does that mean in any public road I can wind the ole Silverado up to 120 wherever I see fit? I mean, its public right? And I pay taxes on my vehicle/registration to be able to do that, right?
No, there are rules. I completely understand the aversion to TOO MANY rules as can be so common in this state, especially with natural resources. But “public land” doesn’t mean free for all motocross wherever any hooligan sees fit.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>crawdaddy wrote:</div>
There’s so many lazy and sometimes fat people who would do anything to avoid taking a step they don’t have to. The less hicks out tearing around on 4-wheelers the better.Maybe you should get off your worthless a$$ and get a job that can afford you to buy your own land if you’re so worried about hicks. Your the broke one whining on an Internet forum because you can’t afford your own area.
You seriously need your ass kicked.
I bet the people saying it’s public land, they should be able to do what they want, are the same people crying and moaning about jet skis and wake boats wrecking fishing.
I’m confused. Don’t you register ATVs and side by sides to be able to run them on legal trails and frozen public waters? Is this proposed legislation to make it illegal to run them all over public land as you see fit? I thought that was already illegal?
I’m a landowner and ATV owner. I don’t trail ride or register my ATV as the most recent one hasn’t left our land…so this is all new to me
I’m confused. Don’t you register ATVs and side by sides to be able to run them on legal trails and frozen public waters? Is this proposed legislation to make it illegal to run them all over public land as you see fit? I thought that was already illegal?
I’m a landowner and ATV owner. I don’t trail ride or register my ATV as the most recent one hasn’t left our land…so this is all new to me
This new proposal, which has virtually no chance of passing, would allow the DNR commissioner to decommission already approved ATV/OHV trails, thus lowering the areas/trails available for LEGAL riding. As you accurately state riding them all over public lands wherever you want is already illegal. As is trespassing and damage to property. But we might get another 2-3 pages of people still arguing about their opinion in things that are legal/illegal already.
Got it. Thanks for clarifying!
Public land or private property there’s always going to be that certain segment of our society that thinks laws do not pertain to them.
Mr. Fins must have been out late last night…. he hasn’t been here offering any opinions today, yet.
Public land or private property there’s always going to be that certain segment of our society that thinks laws do not pertain to them.
in the superior national forest, 9 times out of 10 the rouge ATV trails will lead to a pile of empty beer cans and/or a pile of trash and burn pit
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Jimmy Jones wrote:</div>
Public land or private property there’s always going to be that certain segment of our society that thinks laws do not pertain to them.in the superior national forest, 9 times out of 10 the rouge ATV trails will lead to a pile of empty beer cans and/or a pile of trash and burn pit
We see that around county quarries near our land all the time. Its amazing how much crap we see.
I don’t spend as much time in state forests as some of you, but don’t doubt the issues being bringing up. My guess though is that most of these things are already illegal and require more enforcement. I’m not in favor of further restrictions for law abiding OHV users. Pages 34-37 of the OHV regs below explains use of state forest land. A good share of it is already off limits to motorized use.
MNNDR OHV Regs
I don’t spend as much time in state forests as some of you, but don’t doubt the issues being bringing up. My guess though is that most of these things are already illegal and require more enforcement. I’m not in favor of further restrictions for law abiding OHV users. Pages 34-37 of the OHV regs below explains use of state forest land. A good share of it is already off limits to motorized use.
MNNDR OHV Regs
Agreed. I hunt and recreate in the Paul Bunyan State Forest a lot, and there is 10x the usage by ATV/OHV as there are hunters, hikers or other usage. This is also a boon for the local communities that have resorts, campgrounds, bars and restaurants full all spring, summer and fall. The Rule Breakers should be held accountable, but it’s a huge benefit for our state as it becomes a destination for this type of recreation. And honestly unless you are road hunting (which I’d argue isn’t really hunting), it has no impact on hunting imho.
People just cant get along. When I was a kid a bunch of us had 3 & 4 wheelers and dirt bikes. Cut and made miles of trails by the river with no issues. After a few years people walking took a liking to the trails. They started to complain the atvs were ruining them and making them hard to walk on. All of a sudden the DNR and the local police started giving out tickets for riding in a flood plain. Kinda funny how people bitch about trails getting wrecked by atvs that wouldnt have been there without them.
And honestly unless you are road hunting (which I’d argue isn’t really hunting), it has no impact on hunting imho
I disagree 100%
Where I grouse hunt, 90+% of the other “hunters” in the area are road hunting on ATVs on the same trails. It really takes the sport out of it and the pressure significantly impacts bird movement. They ride trails that are not designated ATV/OHV trails, drive like a bat out of hell, often have alcohol in the cup holders, and will drive down a trail even if a truck is parked at the end and very clearly hunting it with a dog (i.e. kennel in back of truck). If I ever come up to a trailhead and see a truck parked there, I will let them have it and go hunt somewhere else.
There is very little etiquette by this crowd. I try to avoid them the best I can but its hard when they can cover 10 miles to your 1 mile you can cover on foot. It really puts a damper on things when you walk 3 miles into a trail and you know the last mile is where you will see the payoff with the most birds only to get leapfrogged by a couple guys in a SXS and hear a bunch of shooting 2 min after they leapfrog you on the trail.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>BigWerm wrote:</div>
And honestly unless you are road hunting (which I’d argue isn’t really hunting), it has no impact on hunting imhoI disagree 100%
Where I grouse hunt, 90+% of the other “hunters” in the area are road hunting on ATVs on the same trails. It really takes the sport out of it and the pressure significantly impacts bird movement. They ride trails that are not designated ATV/OHV trails, drive like a bat out of hell, often have alcohol in the cup holders, and will drive down a trail even if a truck is parked at the end and very clearly hunting it with a dog (i.e. kennel in back of truck). If I ever come up to a trailhead and see a truck parked there, I will let them have it and go hunt somewhere else.
There is very little etiquette by this crowd. I try to avoid them the best I can but its hard when they can cover 10 miles to your 1 mile you can cover on foot. It really puts a damper on things when you walk 3 miles into a trail and you know the last mile is where you will see the payoff with the most birds only to get leapfrogged by a couple guys in a SXS and hear a bunch of shooting 2 min after they leapfrog you on the trail.
The bold is already illegal and not at all what I’m talking about. People road hunting anywhere, including approved ATV/OHV trails are not really hunting imho. And you will not have to worry about these people if you are not hunting driveable trails. For example the non-ATV/OHV logging trails in Paul Bunyan are blocked off from any vehicle entry, and I shoot most of my grouse there.
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