Smoke & Mirrors 2022 edition

  • Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16646
    #2146546

    If Fleck is linked to Nebraska it’s his people leaking the info. He loves redoing that contract yearly. Either with bowl appearances or the unlikely threat that somebody is after him.

    Before everybody gets to excited lets remember which division the Gophers are in. They might do well here but they aren’t beating the top teams in the Big $$ on any kind of regular basis.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11570
    #2146552

    If Fleck is linked to Nebraska it’s his people leaking the info. He loves redoing that contract yearly. Either with bowl appearances or the unlikely threat that somebody is after him.

    Before everybody gets to excited lets remember which division the Gophers are in. They might do well here but they aren’t beating the top teams in the Big $$ on any kind of regular basis.

    *Yet. whistling

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16646
    #2146554

    Well, if you think they are getting and keeping top talent with all this money floating around for players you are crazy. They will continue to be a mid pack team in the Big $$ while contending for the West title every so often. But hey look at the bright side…….Your guy only needs 3 more wins to be bowl eligible again.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11570
    #2146561

    Well, if you think they are getting and keeping top talent with all this money floating around for players you are crazy. They will continue to be a mid pack team in the Big $$ while contending for the West title every so often. But hey look at the bright side…….Your guy only needs 3 more wins to be bowl eligible again.

    That’s good right? So is top 30-40 recruiting classes in the nation, right? You can just enjoy the greatest time in the last 60 years of Gopher football history, that is an option. waytogo

    http://www.si.com/fannation/bringmethesports/gophers/gophers-2023-recruiting-class-ranks-12th-in-nation-after-summer-splash-event?adlt=strict

    https://247sports.com/college/minnesota/Season/2020-Football/Commits/

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11564
    #2146562

    I don’t personally want PJ at Nebraska and I doubt we will poach a head coach from within the conference. Having said that, I think he’d be very successful in Lincoln but might have to tone down his raw, raw stuff quite a bit. Though I think he has toned it down a little already.

    Long term I think the Nebraska job is a way better job than Minnesota (fan, donor and university support) but right now there is no question that Minnesota is a better program.

    Watching them play they could use a little Rah Rah.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11564
    #2146563

    Dutch serious question?

    What are your expectations for the U of M football program?

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16646
    #2146574

    Dutch serious question?

    What are your expectations for the U of M football program?

    Truthfully you are seeing it now. They play a weak preseason schedule, get the 3 wins and hope for 2-3 more in conference. Bowl games seems to get the interest of the fans. Why I don’t know. Only the real bad teams don’t go to a bowl these days.

    I was alive the last time the Gophers were good and won a national title. But a quick check and you will find they were ahead of everybody else getting black players from the south. Since then they have had a few good seasons but seldom if ever back them up with a good following season.

    I’m not anti Gopher football. I am however a realist. They will not out recruit or out coach Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State, Wisconsin or Iowa year in and year out. They will catch lightning in a bottle once in a while but not consistently. They are Purdue, Illinois, Northwestern. They are better than Indiana & Rutgers & Maryland most years. Nebraska is well……Nebraska. They are the Gophers. Their fans think the glory days are coming back. They aren’t but they like the Gophers keep selling the hope year after year.

    Once USC & UCLA arrive you can look for the Big $$ to add 2 or 3 more west coast teams to have their division out there.

    I repeat, I’m not anti Gophers (I might be anti Fleck jester ) But the Twins will open with Correa, deGrom & Trout on their roster before the Gophers ever make a final four appearance. Reality sucks sometimes.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11564
    #2146585

    If that’s all you expect from them to do then don’t understand the hate for the coach or the program. They seem to be checking your expectations boxes.
    Don’t think I have ever heard them say they are going to out recruit Ohio State and Michigan. Hell most schools in the country don’t.

    Dan
    Southeast MN
    Posts: 3774
    #2146595

    So why do you follow so closely Dutch? I can’t imagine paying so much attention to something I b!tch about constantly.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16646
    #2146598

    I follow them because I’m a sports fan. I don’t know alot about them other than they have a 8th year quarterback and a pretty good running back. I answered a question that was asked about me.

    Tell you what, you guys handle them.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11564
    #2146600

    I follow them because I’m a sports fan. I don’t know alot about them other than they have a 8th year quarterback and a pretty good running back. I answered a question that was asked about me.

    Tell you what, you guys handle them.

    I was honestly curious.

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16646
    #2146610

    I know you were.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17246
    #2146619

    I’m kinda with Dutchboy on this one. Counting on three cupcake non-conference wins every season just so they can get closer to bowl eligibility is bush league. There’s already too many bowls to begin with and its just a money grab. Start scheduling better competition.

    There’s no reason they shouldn’t be competing with their two biggest rivals, Wisconsin and Iowa, for recruits and competitively on the field for the big ten west. They’ve been pretty close while PJ has been here. Iowa has been a hurdle for them though. Maybe that will change this season. They haven’t beat both Iowa and Wisconsin in the same season since 1990. That says it all right there even if PJ has only accrued 5 of those 32 years.

    Hard to argue with the academics and the staying out of legal trouble. That was something previous coaches couldn’t do.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11564
    #2146671

    I’m kinda with Dutchboy on this one. Counting on three cupcake non-conference wins every season just so they can get closer to bowl eligibility is bush league. There’s already too many bowls to begin with and its just a money grab. Start scheduling better competition.

    They all do it they play 2 terrible teams and and an ok team. Wisonsin plays Illinois state and New Mexico State this year.
    Iowa played South Dakota state and Nevada. Penn State plays Ohio and Central Michigan. Michigan State plays Akron and Western Michigan.
    Really don’t understand this argument at all.

    There’s no reason they shouldn’t be competing with their two biggest rivals, Wisconsin and Iowa, for recruits and competitively on the field for the big ten west. They’ve been pretty close while PJ has been here. Iowa has been a hurdle for them though. Maybe that will change this season. They haven’t beat both Iowa and Wisconsin in the same season since 1990. That says it all right there even if PJ has only accrued 5 of those 32 years.

    PJ is 2-3 against Wisconsin. With one loss by 3. I would say that’s competitive.
    Definitely better than previous coaches.

    Hard to argue with the academics and the staying out of legal trouble. That was something previous coaches couldn’t do.

    Did you know he has the highest winning percentage since 1950. That’s a hell of a long time. 6th all time in their history.
    PJ may not be for everyone but he has moved the needle forward more than any coach in the last 30-40 years maybe longer. Have to start somewhere.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22539
    #2146672

    Did you know he has the second highest winning percentage since 1950. 6th all time.
    PJ may not be for everyone but he has moved the needle forward more than any coach in the last 30-40 years. Have to start somewhere.

    I think this program would have been in a far different position when PJ took over had they never fired Mason, but Brewster really set the U backwards and immediately. Kill started the turnaround, but PJ is building off of that. He was able to get the training facilities all built and that is huge for recruiting.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17246
    #2146675

    PJ may not be for everyone but he has moved the needle forward more than any coach in the last 30-40 years. Have to start somewhere.

    I completely agree. Its definitely getting better than it used to be.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22418
    #2146722

    I’m kinda with Dutchboy on this one. Counting on three cupcake non-conference wins every season just so they can get closer to bowl eligibility is bush league. There’s already too many bowls to begin with and its just a money grab. Start scheduling better competition.

    There’s no reason they shouldn’t be competing with their two biggest rivals, Wisconsin and Iowa, for recruits and competitively on the field for the big ten west. They’ve been pretty close while PJ has been here. Iowa has been a hurdle for them though. Maybe that will change this season. They haven’t beat both Iowa and Wisconsin in the same season since 1990. That says it all right there even if PJ has only accrued 5 of those 32 years.

    Hard to argue with the academics and the staying out of legal trouble. That was something previous coaches couldn’t do.

    Did you see Wisconsin and Iowa both dropped one of their cupcakes ? Yeah Washington State is a powerhouse and Iowa State is constantly knocking on the door for the Championship… crazy coffee

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17246
    #2146725

    Did you see Wisconsin and Iowa both dropped one of their cupcakes ? Yeah Washington State is a powerhouse and Iowa State is constantly knocking on the door for the Championship

    I actually posted that first on Saturday before anyone else did. Scroll up and you’ll see it.

    Clearly, Washington State and Iowa State are not “powerhouses” unless of course you’re comparing them to a team like New Mexico State or Western Illinois. Western Illinois isn’t even D1. They’re D1-AA. They are on the same level as Eden Prairie High School.

    Walleye Man42
    Posts: 197
    #2146726

    This year is setting up to be one of the years then. We should be the favorites to win the big ten West this year, anything less than that is a failure to the program. If you remember last year before Ibrahim went down it was a pretty competive game between the gophers and Ohio St. Are big game is next week against Michigan St. We will then know where we stand after it.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17246
    #2146727

    big game is next week against Michigan St

    You could make the argument that the road game at Sparty is the “biggest” game of the season that is currently on the schedule.

    Justin riegel
    Posts: 937
    #2146734

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Walleye Man42 wrote:</div>
    big game is next week against Michigan St

    You could make the argument that the road game at Sparty is the “biggest” game of the season that is currently on the schedule.

    As long as they don’t look past CO like they did with Bowling Green last year

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11570
    #2146735

    They’re D1-AA. They are on the same level as Eden Prairie High School.

    Does anyone have an email for the preposterous statement tourney? rotflol This non-conference deal is just standard operating procedure for almost all of D1 Football teams, you can not like it, but it is what it is and not at all unique to the U.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17246
    #2146737

    Does anyone have an email for the preposterous statement tourney? rotflol This non-conference deal is just standard operating procedure for almost all of D1 Football teams, you can not like it, but it is what it is and not at all unique to the U.

    I was mostly exaggerating and responding to big g’s preposterous statement about Washington State and Iowa State being power houses and knocking on the door of a national championship. Clearly WSU and ISU are major step above a team in terms of competition compared to Western Illinois.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11570
    #2146745

    I was mostly exaggerating and responding to big g’s preposterous statement about Washington State and Iowa State being power houses and knocking on the door of a national championship. Clearly WSU and ISU are major step above a team in terms of competition compared to Western Illinois.

    I know, just giving you a hard time. Iowa State has a solid program with 7 or more wins since 2016, and Washington State did recently under Mike Leach who left in 2019. But just like MN playing NM State, Western Illinois and Colorado, UW and Iowa are playing 2 cupcakes with the one power 5 school in non-conference. Standard operating procedure, for everyone up to and including Alabama.

    As much as it pains me to say it, D3 St. John’s had a super tough non-conference schedule beating #4 UW-Whitewater week 1, and #24 UW-River Falls last week. Which is even more uncommon at the D3 level. Paging @RalphWiggum as you may want to mark the calendar about me being nice to the Johnnies whistling rotflol

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #2146749

    @BigWerm I took a screenshot for posterity! There’s room on the bandwagon, even if you don’t want to hop on till your Gusties complete another 6-4 season.

    Did you see that Whitewater knocked off #1 UMHB in week 2? shock

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11570
    #2146762

    @BigWerm I took a screenshot for posterity! There’s room on the bandwagon, even if you don’t want to hop on till your Gusties complete another 6-4 season.

    Did you see that Whitewater knocked off #1 UMHB in week 2? shock

    I did not see that about Whitewater, wow what a non-conference schedule for them. Gusties were 8-2 last year, thank you very much. And should have an even better squad this year I think…that still will lose by 3 TD’s to the Transfer Portal…I mean Johnnies! jester chased But yeah, pick me up on your way to VA!

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11564
    #2146790

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>gimruis wrote:</div>
    They’re D1-AA. They are on the same level as Eden Prairie High School.

    Does anyone have an email for the preposterous statement tourney? rotflol This non-conference deal is just standard operating procedure for almost all of D1 Football teams, you can not like it, but it is what it is and not at all unique to the U.

    Yeah I don’t get the argument. They all do it. Gophs play North Carolina next year which is same caliber as Iowa State and Washington State this year. Not there fault Colorado is down this year when these are scheduled several years in advance.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22539
    #2146839

    Yeah I don’t get the argument. They all do it. Gophs play North Carolina next year which is same caliber as Iowa State and Washington State this year. Not there fault Colorado is down this year when these are scheduled several years in advance.

    They were supposed to already play NC, but Kill had them bought out to reschedule a bigger cupcake years ago. Agreed these matchups are schedule far out just not made public until usually the year leading up to it.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22418
    #2146894

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>BigWerm wrote:</div>
    Does anyone have an email for the preposterous statement tourney? rotflol This non-conference deal is just standard operating procedure for almost all of D1 Football teams, you can not like it, but it is what it is and not at all unique to the U.

    I was mostly exaggerating and responding to big g’s preposterous statement about Washington State and Iowa State being power houses and knocking on the door of a national championship. Clearly WSU and ISU are major step above a team in terms of competition compared to Western Illinois.

    Kind of like the Illinois State Redbirds… another powerhouse the badgers played. Your the one that insinuated Wisconsin and Iowa don’t pad their pre-season with cupcakes, for a 3-0 start, not me. They do it too, they just got burned by lesser teams.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11570
    #2147317

    Gophers handling business against the Buffs, a power 5 school but also prolly doesn’t count cuz they’re not Alabama or something. 😜

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