Private Musky Stocking, Worth It?

  • dan-larson
    Cedar, Min-E-So-Ta
    Posts: 1482
    #1320564

    Alright, I have a place on a private lake north of Mille Lacs that currently is quite the bass fishery. Many years ago there were a considerable number of 5-10 pound northerns, these fish were targeted for harvest by the 5 or 6 groups of people that have access to the lake for many years. Now the lake is overrun with hammer handles, but a few pike over 36 inches show every year. The DNR used my lake for an experiment with Northerns some years back (detailed below), with no real success.

    Lake Stats–

    Lake Area (acres): 121.00

    Littoral Area (acres): 81.00

    Maximum Depth (ft): 31.00

    Water Clarity (ft): 8.50

    Here is sampling for 1999–

    Length of Selected Species Sampled for All Gear for the 1999 Survey Year

    Number of fish caught in each category (inches)

    Species 0-5 6-8 9-11 12-14 15-19 20-24 25-29 >29 Total

    Black Crappie 4 24 6 0 0 0 0 0 34

    Bluegill 183 43 0 0 0 0 0 0 226

    Brown Bullhead 0 0 4 2 0 0 0 0 6

    Hybrid Sunfish 18 15 0 0 0 0 0 0 33

    Largemouth Bass 2 0 9 6 1 0 0 0 18

    Northern Pike 0 0 2 5 10 32 6 1 56

    Pumpkinseed Sunfish 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2

    Walleye 0 0 0 0 2 0 0 0 2

    Yellow Bullhead 9 12 10 0 0 0 0 0 31

    Yellow Perch 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 2

    Bear with me here, comments from the DNR—

    Status of the Fishery (as of 06/28/1999)

    “Lake X is a shallow lake located in a watershed of pastureland, rolling hardwoods, and a spruce wetland. There is a private access through the campground on the east side of the lake and there is no public access on the lake. Because of the limited access and a fish community with abundant small bluegill, Lake X was chosen for a management experiment aimed at increasing the size of bluegill through attempting to control the number of young-of-the-year bluegill. Controlling small bluegill numbers, which would allow for greater growth of those remaining, may be possible if predation pressure can be increased by increasing the abundance of yellow perch and reducing northern pike which prey upon perch. With this reasoning, over four thousand pounds of northern pike where removed and seven thousand pounds of yellow perch were stocked in 1992 and 1993. The results of this project were short term. Northern pike growth increased in 1993-95 following the removal of pike and stocking of yellow perch, possibly because they had more forage of yellow perch per individual. The stocked yellow perch may have been successful in limiting the successful production of yearling and young-of-the-year bluegills in 1992 and 1993. This may also have been part of a larger pattern of poor centrachid recruitment statewide. Whatever the cause, there was an increase in growth of young bluegills from 1993-1995, possibly as a result of the lower density. The perch stocking was not successful in establishing a population of significant abundance. There were just two yellow perch caught in the 1999 assessment. The number of predators left in the lake at the time of the stocking may have been too great to allow the perch population to take hold.

    The current fish community is much the same as before the removal and stocking experiment. Northern pike abundance was fairly stable at 10.8 fish per gill net lift, which is high compared to other lakes of this type. The average size of the northern pike was 21.1 inches, which is the same as that observed in 1996 and represents an increase over the 20.3-inch average of 1991. Bluegill abundance was still within the normal range for this type of lake at 18.5 fish per trap net. The average size of the bluegills has increased slightly from 4.6 inches in 1991 to 5.2 in 1996 and 5.0 inches in 1999. The black crappie abundance index of 4.8 per gill net is stable at a level that is normal for a lake in this class. About half of the fish were over 8 inches long and had average growth compared to statewide averages. However, no fish were caught that were larger than 9.5 inches. The 1999 sample had fish from five different year-classes, which suggests good recruitment. Like the bluegill population, the black crappie in Lake X may not be able to grow beyond these sizes because of fishing pressure that targets the largest individuals. Lake X continues to support a population of largemouth bass with higher than average abundance. The size structure of the population has changed to include more small individuals since the 1996 assessment. A pulse of larger bass of the 1984-1990 year-classes that was observed in the 1996 assessment has largely passed through the system and was not caught in 1999. This is probably because due to a natural cycle of recruitment and senescence rather than harvest by the angler. Largemouth bass abundance and size structure has been variable since the first survey in the 1983. The quality of the largemouth bass fishery will likely improve as the 1994 and 1995 year-classes get older and anglers practice catch and release bass fishing. More than any management activity, angler behavior has a great potential for restructuring the northern pike population. Selective harvest of smaller northern pike and the release of the larger predators will allow for the reduction in the number of smaller northern through cannibalism and an increase in the catch rates of larger fish.”

    I have managed to convince everyone that still fishes the lake to let everything go, ESPECIALLY the big ones. Most of them are old shoolers that don’t fish it anymore because the pike are gone. As far as I can tell, in talking with everyone who wets a line, I am about the only person that has really dialed in the bass. So my question to you guys is this. Considering the Pike problem we have, do you think it would be beneficial to stock muskies in this lake? I specifically want to address the small pike problem, and maybe thin the gils and crappies a bit. I know we have had this argument before about muskies eating bass, but I really don’t believe a proportional number of muskies stocked can ruin a robust bass fishery. If anything I think the skis will target the most abundant forage, the dinky pike.

    Well?

    thegun
    mn
    Posts: 1009
    #543200

    Hey Dan!

    If you want to get rid of some pan fish fast! put some catfish in! they will clean them up!

    when i was growing up we had a small pond and we stocked it with crappies sunnies bass pike walleye the pan fish did really well! we ended up putting 8 channel cats in that were around 5 to 8 LBS it didnt take long to get thing in check!

    we had a bridge over the pond and the water was very clear! you could stand up on the bridge and watch a school of sunnies sitting there and all of a sudden a dark shadow would come up real slow and slurp! there went a Sunfish

    Steve Root
    South St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 5623
    #543273

    I still say anyone who figures out how to “fix” the stunted panfish situation deserves a statue in their honor. Dan, there are inumerable lakes in the East Metro that match the descripition of your lake. Decent Bass, snake Northerns, and zillions of 4 and 5 inch sunfish. I sure wish someone had an answer for this.

    Regarding Muskies….it seems to me that the relatively low population density of Muskies (one decent fish per what, 3 or 4 acres of lake?) means there will never be enough of them to significantly affect other fish populations. And once they get big enough won’t they start ignoring the little panfish and start looking for bigger prey?

    Rootski

    mstanley
    Shorewood,MN
    Posts: 350
    #543330

    Stocking muskies will help with the hammerhandles. I have had so many little pike get slammed by muskies as I was reeling them in I’ve been tempted to troll with them. Doubt it will help much with the sunfish issue. Look at Minnetonka which is loaded with muskies and massive schools of dinky bluegills. Maybe the solution is to stock some muskies and some channel cats.

    fishinallday
    Montrose Mn
    Posts: 2101
    #543358

    All you need is to shoot me a PM with the name and how to access lake X. I’ll work really hard on getting things in line for you.

    dan-larson
    Cedar, Min-E-So-Ta
    Posts: 1482
    #543367

    Quote:


    All you need is to shoot me a PM with the name and how to access lake X. I’ll work really hard on getting things in line for you.


    I have offered it up before, and my friends who have fished it can attest, I will take just about anyone to my lake to bass fish on two conditions. First, you can’t keep any bass, no matter how big, because the potential for a 7# fish is legitimate. Secondly, you never try to fish it by yourself under any circumstances. Other than that, I love to see guys come and enjoy my lake.

    stillakid2
    Roberts, WI
    Posts: 4603
    #543368

    From what I know of muskie behavior, I’d have to agree that it would help somewhat in controlling the pike population but the bigger fish want big, easy meals. They’ll turn on the bass population quickly and will, eventually, look for big pike too. You’d have to have a regular harvesting of your 40+” fish to keep the menu aimed at smaller fish. The next question is, “If catfish is the answer, what keeps them in check?”

    Some of the metro lakes that have a stunted panfish problem have muskies within their ecobalance. Again, they have a low density population so the fish tend to get pretty big and aim their efforts at larger fish. I think the catfish idea is an interesting one but I wonder if things would ever get lopsided in the other direction.

    One more idea is to target as many small panfish as possible and pickle ’em. Eat all you want, give the rest away. These overpopulated nuisances also make great fertilizer. There may be harvest limits, but there’s not much regulation on what you do with that harvest. If this lake means this much to you, get the other locals on the same page and put all your predatory skills toward the same effort. It would probably take a few years to see any difference but you’d know you’re making a difference when you start having to put some of those panfish back…….. they’re too big for the pickle jar and/or fertilizer use. Maybe an effort like this combined with catfish??? I don’t know……. just thinking out loud.

    Michael C. Winther
    Reedsburg, WI
    Posts: 1498
    #545732

    i would talk to your local fisheries biologist and see what he thinks about muskies impact on other gamefish.

    from what i’ve read, high pike density negatively impacts muskies much more than muskies ever control pike populations. this is a real problem in some smaller Wisconsin lakes, especially in the northwest part of the state. the pike out-compete the muskies so the muskies are unable to get enough food to grow big quickly, and the pike also hurt muskie reproduction/recruitment.

    also, although everyone has got one of those “a muskie grabbed my walleye (or bass, or pike)” stories, research into muskie eating habits doesn’t support these species as an important foodsource. stomach sampling shows muskies much prefer suckers and perch over harder-to-catch gamefish. for example, walleye only made up something like 2% of their diet (the article was in Esox Angler magazine, i believe).

    that being said, attempts to use muskies to control populations of smaller gamefish such as perch or bluegill have also been largely unsuccessful. although it makes for good muskie fishing, the perch or bluegill population in a stunted lake is generally too large to be significantly impacted by a low-density predator like a muskie.

    there’s a very interesting article on developing bigger bluegill populations in this month’s North American Fisherman magazine, might be worth a look for you. the basic premise is that to get big bluegills, you need big bulls as they dominate the reproduction in the lake (the research on this was done in MN, btw).

    good luck!

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