WX1900 question for SBC

  • rawask
    Posts: 5
    #1320125

    I’ve noticed you seem to be ordering all 1900s with the HPDI rather than the F200. Is the F200 with a kicker too much weight for that transom? Will it affect level flotation? I’m interested in the 1900 and would prefer a 4 stroke with kicker if it isn’t too much weight. Thanks.

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #962481

    I’m sure the guys from SBC will be along shortly with their thoughts. Here’s what I know.

    The transom is more than strong enough to handle the F200 + kicker but the 1900 just doesn’t perform like one would expect out of the boat with 700+ lbs on the transom of a 19′ boat. For that reason the SBC has gone to ordering all 1900s with the HPDI motors. The difference in the weight and performance between the two motors is very noticeable on that hull leaving almost all buyers to opt for the HPDI over the F series four stroke motor in the same HP.

    dmarkq01
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts: 76
    #962505

    Thanks for your question.

    Actually the WX1900 was developed to carry the F200 and a kicker. The old 1880 (now 1850) was rated for 200hp but Skeeter only sold the boat with the 200HPDI because it weighed 150 pounds less than F200. Since the 1880 was rated for 200hp, some owners had their boat repowered with the F200. If you put both the F200 and the T-8 kicker on the WX1880 there were porpoising issues because it was simply too much weight for the hull to carry in a balanced manner. When Skeeter releases the all new MX1825, it will be the same situation. Although the MX1825 is to be rated for 200 hp, the boat will not be available from Skeeter with the F200. Any 200 hp outboard weighing over 475 pounds could impact the handling of the new MX. The 200hpdi will be a great performing motor on the new MX1825.

    Getting back to the WX1900, Skeeter redesigned the hull for this reason, to be able to carry both the F200 and the T-9 kicker. Flotation or safety is absolutely not an issue. All Skeeter’s are manufactured to the highest possible saftey standards as rated by NMMA for both flotation and turning at top speed. The trade off to designing the hull to carry more weight is a slight reduction in hull performance. Compared to old WX1880, the WX1900 runs about 2 mph slower with 200hpdi – about 52.5 mph with good load including kicker. Expect the F200 to run about 48 mph. The 200 hpdi will also have a quicker hole shot.

    We did stock and sell the WX1900 with the F200 this year, and will do so again in for 2012 model year. One other factor we consider when stocking boats is anticipated incentives. Currently expect incentives to be a neutral factor in any purchase decision.

    My best suggestion would be for you to schedule a Ride and Drive will either Chad or Gregg at SBC and try out the performance for yourself. The try before you buy approach has worked out really well for many of our customers who were on the fence over which model to purchase. Performance on WX1900 with be similar to WX1850 with F150 for top end and hole shot. The WX1900 has snap in carpet, modular consoles, and a front bow design that is a little closer to water when fishing from deck, but still maintains big water capability. both the F200 and the 200 hpdi are both very reliable outboards!

    Yamaha is working on a lighter weigh F200 similar to SHO technology in offshore 225-300, but nothing is close. Inside talk I’ve heard is closer to 2.5-3 years before we see a lighter F200.

    Feel free to send me a PM and I’ll be happy to help answer more questions and discuss how they changed hull bottom, etc. We’d also be happy to discuss pricing and let you know what the best times of the year are to maximize your savings from factory incentives. We’re the #1 Skeeter in upper midwest and are over twice as big as the #2 Skeeter dealer here in Midwest. Skeeter boats are all we sell… We are also experts on electronics and properly rigging your boat with any accessories you might need. Hope this helps.

    mike-g
    Bloomington,MN
    Posts: 556
    #962757

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    Yamaha is working on a lighter weigh F200 similar to SHO technology in offshore 225-300, but nothing is close. Inside talk I’ve heard is closer to 2.5-3 years before we see a lighter F200.


    I hope I can wait that long!!

    Dave, or Gregg, do you have any insight (crystal ball) on whether the 1850 & 1900 will still both be around in 2.5 to 3 years?? Not a fair question, I know…but…when / if the 200SHO is available, what’s the best guess on which hull(s) it will go on??
    I wish I could take best of both hulls and combine them with the SHO200. WX1875? I’d be first in line to get one!!

    dmarkq01
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts: 76
    #962799

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    I wish I could take best of both hulls and combine them with the SHO200.


    Hi Mike,
    This makes sense since both hulls are 18’9″, but I know for a fact they have not even thought about that decision yet. They are completely focused on launching the new MX at this point in time. That will be the fun part… waiting to see what Skeeter does next.

    mike-g
    Bloomington,MN
    Posts: 556
    #962843

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    That will be the fun part… waiting to see what Skeeter does next.


    Sure is. It’s fun, but some of us don’t wait well. I’ll have to “tough it out” for a few years in the 1850 I guess. Looking forward to seeing the MX!

    skeeter20
    Winnie/Grand Rapids,MN
    Posts: 902
    #962943

    I never relieved that the 1850 and 1900 are the same length. So if I am reading what Dave said right the only difference between the 2 is that the 1900 can carry a f200 and a kicker and not have porpoising issues.

    So does that mean the 1900 has a deeper hull design? Being the reason it runs a little slower. I see interior depth is the same.

    You would think Skeeter would just pick one or the other(probably the 1900). Speed things up at the factory as well having less models

    Wade Boardman
    Grand Rapids, MN
    Posts: 4453
    #962949

    Quote:


    I never relieved that the 1850 and 1900 are the same length. So if I am reading what Dave said right the only difference between the 2 is that the 1900 can carry a f200 and a kicker and not have porpoising issues.

    So does that mean the 1900 has a deeper hull design? Being the reason it runs a little slower. I see interior depth is the same.

    You would think Skeeter would just pick one or the other(probably the 1900). Speed things up at the factory as well having less models


    Actually there are a few other small things that separate the 1900 from the 1850.

    Below are Gregg’s comments on another thread about the 1850 vs. 1900.

    Quote:


    Hi Everyone,

    I will try to better explain the difference between the WX1900 and the WX1850.

    The front deck is actually closer to the water on a WX1900 – see the first picture below – the silver and red boat is a WX1900 and both trailers are at the same height – notice the downward curve on the bow versus the blue WX1850 behind it. The upward sweep of the WX1850 bow gives more deck height, thus deeper bow storage than the WX1900.

    Next, look at the 2 transom pictures – the blue transom (the second picture) is a WX1900 – that transom goes 100% straight down to the bottom of the hull – this gives you the structural integrity to achieve the maximum horsepower rating of 200 (in either the 2 stroke HPDI or the 4 stroke F200). The 3rd picture (the silver transom) is a WX1850 – notice the step in the transom – the step is the biggest reason for the 150 hp rating – that being said, if you had a WX1900 and a WX1850 that were both powered by a F150 four stroke, the WX1850 would be 1 to 2 mph faster than the WX1900.

    The WX1900 has modular consoles with digital controls – please see the 4th picture below – this is a WX1900 modular console assembly. The WX1850 has consoles that are molded to the bow cap.

    Other WX1900 highlights:

    Tandem axle trailer – standard. (WX1850 has a single axle trailer standard – tandem optional)

    3 bank battery charger – standard (WX1850 charger optional)

    1 fuel tank – 40 gallon (WX1850 has 2 fuel tanks)

    Snap in carpeting (WX1850 has glued in carpeting)

    Please let me know if you have any more questions!

    Thanks,

    Gregg 715-833-2668 (The Skeeter Boat Center)


    I’ve also included the link.

    skeeter20
    Winnie/Grand Rapids,MN
    Posts: 902
    #962962

    Yeah that points things out a little better. Wonder why they would make the 1900 have less bow lift.

    Even though there are some pretty big differences I wouldnt be shocked if they stop making one of the models.

    Wade Boardman
    Grand Rapids, MN
    Posts: 4453
    #963022

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    Yeah that points things out a little better. Wonder why they would make the 1900 have less bow lift.

    Even though there are some pretty big differences I wouldnt be shocked if they stop making one of the models.


    I have no idea how many 1900s were ordered this spring. However I do know there were a lot of 1850’s ordered this spring (pure hearsay from guys talking). I don’t have hard proof or numbers to back that up.

    a-and-t
    By Rochester,MN
    Posts: 708
    #963061

    When Yamaha gets that 200 SHO dialed in 2 years hopefully ,we will definitely have to take a look at that

    arklite881south
    Posts: 5660
    #963063

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    When Yamaha gets that 200 SHO dialed in 2 years hopefully ,we will definitely have to take a look at that


    I’ll still be waiting for you Andy

    a-and-t
    By Rochester,MN
    Posts: 708
    #963075

    I’ll still be waiting for you Andy


    Rats , You read my mind In my dream world a 1850 with a 225 SHO with jack plate , and some prop work might just give “SHO TIME” a little competition to the Honey holes .

    rawask
    Posts: 5
    #963112

    Thanks guys. That was the info I was looking for. Looks like I could still go either way. I will do the test drives when the time gets closer. I also want to see the MX series when that comes out.

    dmarkq01
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts: 76
    #963178

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    So does that mean the 1900 has a deeper hull design? Being the reason it runs a little slower. I see interior depth is the same.


    The reason the WX1900 runs a little slower is the design of hull at transom. The WX1900 has no “relief” which is that 6″ step at bottom of hull at back of boat which adds speed. Also the WX1900 has more “hook” in the hull bottom which is hard to see with the naked eye, but it tips the nose over faster coming out of hole and gives more leverage to carry more weight. The trade off is that more hook adds drag which will reduce top end speed lightly. I’ll have to get some pictures to show the difference. Don’t have any handy at moment.

    dmarkq01
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts: 76
    #963179

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    I have no idea how many 1900s were ordered this spring. However I do know there were a lot of 1850’s ordered this spring (pure hearsay from guys talking). I don’t have hard proof or numbers to back that up.


    Hi Wade – you are correct, the WX1850 is Skeeter’s #1 selling Deep V. I can’t say what other dealers are doing but the WX1900 is doing really well for us, too. By the end of the year the WX1900 won’t be that far behind the WX1850 in unit sales volume for us. Both are great boats that offer some distinct benefits, and we’re ordering more of each!

    mike-g
    Bloomington,MN
    Posts: 556
    #963303

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    … and we’re ordering more of each!



    But when are Gregg,Chad,Sean and Eric going to be able to fish??

    I figured after current boats were gone….guess not

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