I have always maintained there is absolutely no reason to ever name or show the face of these shooters. It only feeds into the fame and notoriety that some of the shooters are looking for. Some of these people are looking to be famous if only for a few days. The public has no reason to ever know the identity of these people. It’s generally sad enough that in most cases there was loss of life.
I have always maintained there is absolutely no reason to ever name or show the face of these shooters. It only feeds into the fame and notoriety that some of the shooters are looking for. Some of these people are looking to be famous if only for a few days. The public has no reason to ever know the identity of these people. It’s generally sad enough that in most cases there was loss of life.
well said dutchy!!!!!! 
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>RT wrote:</div>
And yet there’s still an “outcry” to remove school liaison officers from our schools.I’m curious as to where this “outcry” exists about removing liaison officers from schools here? As a coach who spends a lot of time in area schools with coaches, parents, ADs, etc. I’ve never heard anything like this except from people trying to make an issue out of nothing.
Our district has actually increased support for extending their roles here. Liaison officers help teach classes, handle some discipline, mentor students, ride busses, and one is an assistant coach. Perhaps I am missing something though from the inside
Our district was trying for a while to cut the position too as it was promoting racism, sending the wrong message. After 34 years in public education the pendulum has swung toooooo far to the left and we are making decisions based on a small % of reality and the few instead of the many. Blast me if you want but I have families that want bullet proof glass in our front windows to keep their kids safe to families who are crying foul cause their kid is getting “bullied” LITERALLY because someone is wearing a t-shirt they find offensive. I will stop here before I offend someone and put something out on social media that bites me in the ass.
THere is a need for these officers – like it or not, wrong or right.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Nicholas wrote:</div>
Why state that it wasn’t racially motivated? Does everything have to include race these days?Possibly because they were dispelling a rumor from earlier in the day.
Fox 9 is still reporting what the boy said. (The rumor from earlier)
No matter what race, all blood bleeds red.
Yesterday morning at the school, Susie Jones of WCCO radio reported that other kids told her the shooter said, “Black lives don’t matter” before he shot. I can’t believe she didn’t add “alledgedly”. Irresponsible journalism!!
6th grader got ahold of dad’s gun. Wanted to commit suicide. Could’nt “pull the trigger”. Decided he would go the suicide by cop route. Didn’t work out thanks to the school resource officer.
Dad just apologized for his bad gun storage and his kids shooing up the school. Called it a “Cry for help”.
-J.
It’s a shame we can catch them when they pout for help.
You must be seeing a different article that I am Brian.
In response to rumors on social media, the superintendent shared an update saying the student did not make an anti-Black Lives Matter statement before the shooting began. Police have confirmed with FOX 9 that officers are looking into tips that the student may have posted an online message, which did not appear to be racially motivated.
It’s a shame we can catch them when they pout for help.
It’s a shame when adults with guns allow a minor to have access to them. The parent here should be held accountable. 
-J.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Brian Klawitter wrote:</div>
It’s a shame we can catch them when they pout for help.It’s a shame when adults with guns allow a minor to have access to them. The parent here should be held accountable.
-J.
Kid could’ve jumped off a bridge. Ran in front of a car. Eaten the contents under the sink. The list goes on and on. He apparently had no intent to harm others, just himself.
Glad he will get some much needed help.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Brian Klawitter wrote:</div>
It’s a shame we can catch them when they pout for help.It’s a shame when adults with guns allow a minor to have access to them. The parent here should be held accountable.
X2 – Totally agree. You can bet if someone would have been injured, this parent would have been in lots of legal and $ trouble. He may still end up in some legal trouble.
-J.
He should. If a kid shows up at school with a steak knife from the kithen drawer that would be bad enough. For your middle school kid to not only have access to your gun but also a clip and ammo needed to fire it that blame needs to land somewhere.
For your middle school kid to not only have access to your gun but also a clip and ammo needed to fire it that blame needs to land somewhere.
What is a clip? LOL Verbiage like that is for the newspapers bud.
Magazine.
I had access at that age. I know of many households that operate the same way. Someday you’re child will be old enough to watch you hide the key. After several hiding spots, you’ll eventually give in to the idea of responsibility; or the fact that you cannot deny someone who wants access will get access and you must then rely on good teachings to help them through life…Then there’s depression, that can often supersede all thoughts of responsibility you’ve previously instilled in your young one…
There are those who look for blame, and those who look to resolve problems.
Blame helps this kid how? Blame helps his future how?
This instance, suicidal depression. I hope that child will get some help, that will help him through the rest of his hopefully responsible gun owning life without thoughts of suicide. Young boys mentality is to blame for his actions. His mental state needs some work. Giving kids access to responsibilities is part of growing up. At the age of 16, they’ll be driving and can easily drive into your families vehicle to commit suicide. There are many vehicles’ for such action. The improper use of such vehicles’ all derive from the same root source. It ain’t daddy’s safe.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JEREMY wrote:</div>
For your middle school kid to not only have access to your gun but also a clip and ammo needed to fire it that blame needs to land somewhere.What is a clip? LOL Verbiage like that is for the newspapers bud.
Magazine.I had access at that age. I know of many households that operate the same way. Someday you’re child will be old enough to watch you hide the key. After several hiding spots, you’ll eventually give in to the idea of responsibility; or the fact that you cannot deny someone who wants access will get access and you must then rely on good teachings to help them through life…Then there’s depression, that can often supersede all thoughts of responsibility you’ve previously instilled in your young one…
There are those who look for blame, and those who look to resolve problems.
Blame helps this kid how? Blame helps his future how?This instance, suicidal depression. I hope that child will get some help, that will help him through the rest of his hopefully responsible gun owning life without thoughts of suicide. Young boys mentality is to blame for his actions. His mental state needs some work. Giving kids access to responsibilities is part of growing up. At the age of 16, they’ll be driving and can easily drive into your families vehicle to commit suicide. There are many vehicles’ for such action. The improper use of such vehicles’ all derive from the same root source. It ain’t daddy’s safe.
This guy gets it. Nicely said.
MN has a CAP (“safe storage”) law which the father likely could be charged under.
His statement seems intended to deflect from this responsibility, but I’m sure we will learn if it was locked up or not. I’m surprised he put that statement out there and would be surprised if it was done under the advice of a lawyer. It might have been to get ahead of threats or something.
I grew up with an unlocked, glass faced gun cabinet, but times are changing. I also agree it seems difficult to keep your locking system hidden away until kids are 18 if your kids hunt, or shoot trap in school, etc. But I doubt that it would make a good legal argument if someone would have got shot.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>JEREMY wrote:</div>
For your middle school kid to not only have access to your gun but also a clip and ammo needed to fire it that blame needs to land somewhere.What is a clip? LOL Verbiage like that is for the newspapers bud.
Magazine.I had access at that age. I know of many households that operate the same way. Someday you’re child will be old enough to watch you hide the key. After several hiding spots, you’ll eventually give in to the idea of responsibility; or the fact that you cannot deny someone who wants access will get access and you must then rely on good teachings to help them through life…Then there’s depression, that can often supersede all thoughts of responsibility you’ve previously instilled in your young one…
There are those who look for blame, and those who look to resolve problems.
Blame helps this kid how? Blame helps his future how?This instance, suicidal depression. I hope that child will get some help, that will help him through the rest of his hopefully responsible gun owning life without thoughts of suicide. Young boys mentality is to blame for his actions. His mental state needs some work. Giving kids access to responsibilities is part of growing up. At the age of 16, they’ll be driving and can easily drive into your families vehicle to commit suicide. There are many vehicles’ for such action. The improper use of such vehicles’ all derive from the same root source. It ain’t daddy’s safe.
Agree this kid was 12 years old. At that age you defiantly know right from wrong in a normal state. The fact that a 12 year old wanted to end his life in any fashion is terribly sad. The fact he wanted to end it this way is frightening and terribly sad. I hope that he gets the help he needs, as no 12 year old boy should have to live with that kind of weight on his mind.
What is a clip? LOL Verbiage like that is for the newspapers bud.
Magazine.
Yes Sir
If in fact the kids intent was suicide by cop he needs some help. At this point we only have the fathers statement that was what the kid was up to. Seeking attention is not something new that teenagers do. I just hope they don’t lock the kid up beyond one night to scare the crap out of him. Maybe this gets him the help and whatever he thinks is missing in his life.
It’s another sad story for sure, but not a story that hasn’t played out 1000’s of times throughout history. This isn’t a new phenomenon.
This past year and change has really hurt the kids the most with all the restrictions and everything. No doubt this young man was probably having issues before this all started, but I have to believe that they were made exponentially worse this past year.
My son’s first year in HS the grade was split in 2 groups essentially by alphabet. All of his best friends were in the other group. Hybrid to start the year then distance learning and a normal jovial excellent student was floundering big time.
Last summer he wasnt able to play baseball with his friends. Asked to go fishing nearly every day, but since we open enroll our kids in the district my wife teaches its 20 miles one way for us so that’s a huge hassle. Plus, me working remote and him seeing me here he thinks I am off and can just cart him around.
This isnt normal. Kids don’t understand this stuff.
Now they are back all in person and he comes home with a smile on his face and as they walk out of school every day he’s joking with his buddies. Its ALMOST back to normal.
He’s on the #1 HS Varsity Trap squad as a Freshman and his friends tease HIM because he shoots in 2 rounds what they shoot in 6 LOL.
Like many have said it all comes down to parenting and the lack that current and upcoming generations are failing because parents try to take the route of less resistance. It’s just easier to do the fun things but the things that take years to teach are forgotten. Parents are raising powder puff children who are rarely disciplined and when things go wrong they are not used to they break down and don’t know how to handle it. Yes I think all parents want a better life for there child then they had but it’s going to far. I hear parents say.. well Billy is only little for so long! So it comes down to parents being selfish for there own feelings and wants and not teaching life skills. The lack of work ethic is not giving to these children at birth it is something that is taught. My father in law would always say if you want to fix it give people a job that at the end of the day they are to tired to do stupid things.
He should. If a kid shows up at school with a steak knife from the kithen drawer that would be bad enough. For your middle school kid to not only have access to your gun but also a clip and ammo needed to fire it that blame needs to land somewhere.
AMEN!!! no excuse
I cant believe some want to blame the gun and the parent. The poor boy needs help, so if he took his parents car and ran through a crowd of people is it the cars fault? The best bumper sticker i saw was, “Blaming guns is like blaming spoons for fat people”. Maybe they should blame the governor for denying these kids the ability to go to school and see friends,play sports all last year. now they have to wear masks and can see no facial expressions,cant see teachers or friends smiling. at the end of the day it comes down healthy mental health. not guns.
I cant believe some want to blame the gun and the parent. The poor boy needs help, so if he took his parents car and ran through a crowd of people is it the cars fault? The best bumper sticker i saw was, “Blaming guns is like blaming spoons for fat people”. Maybe they should blame the governor for denying these kids the ability to go to school and see friends,play sports all last year. now they have to wear masks and can see no facial expressions,cant see teachers or friends smiling. at the end of the day it comes down healthy mental health. not guns.
I hope you are kidding….. 
I cant believe some want to blame the gun and the parent. The poor boy needs help, so if he took his parents car and ran through a crowd of people is it the cars fault? The best bumper sticker i saw was, “Blaming guns is like blaming spoons for fat people”. Maybe they should blame the governor for denying these kids the ability to go to school and see friends,play sports all last year. now they have to wear masks and can see no facial expressions,cant see teachers or friends smiling. at the end of the day it comes down healthy mental health. not guns.
I’m on board with your thoughts.
These kids need to be kids again. Get rid of the stupid masks and let them develop.
Facial recognition is extremely important for a growing mind.
This kid (and how many more?) have become depressed and even suicidal. And for what?
I cant believe some want to blame the gun and the parent.
I’ll blame the parent, and the State of Minnesota might too since there is currently a law stating that a firearm must be locked up with a minor in the home, under “safe storage” that Tindall previously posted. I don’t know if he has been charged yet but its certainly a possibility and it falls under gross misdemeanor. Had it resulted in a worse outcome, the charge could be much harsher. As so many have recently stated, enforcement of current gun laws is what we need. Well, here you go, enforce one. Additionally, I’ll blame the parent(s) for their parenting, or lack thereof, too.
I won’t blame the gun. Only in the hands of someone that its not supposed to be in is there an issue.
Dont know that anyone can blame the gun it cant shoot itself. But I sure think the parents should be held accountable if a 12 year old has access to a loaded gun and the ability to bring it to school.
I don’t think it’s necessarily fair to blame the dad just based on the fact that the kid was 12. Every situation is different and it’s up to the parent to determine how much responsibility is given to a child. Maybe they are avid shooters and the boy is very experienced to the point where the dad trusted him? In my case, at 12 years old. I had my own guns and ammo in my bedroom at my access 24/7. I also was given the combination to the big gun safe at 12 years old.
A 12 year old in a home with guns should know how to handle them safely and responsibly. Education is the best defense against accidents.
Im not saying the dad isn’t partly responsible but that a 12 year old needs to be accountable for his own actions to some extent also. If you don’t know right from wrong by 12 you’re on the fast track to failure. Yes all kids make mistakes, but not to this degree. Mental health is becoming a major problem in our society, especially in our youth. I hope he gets the help he needs.
I had never heard of the “Safe Storage” law, so i looked it up, and read a quick summary and not the law verbatim.
“In Minnesota, it is against the law to store or leave a loaded firearm where a person knows, or should reasonably know, that a child under age 18 is likely to gain access to it. Violation of this law is a gross misdemeanor.”
I don’t see where it is illegal for an unloaded firearm to be accessible, or ammo accessible, or magazine accessible. The way that reads is an unloaded firearm with a magazine next to it, on the kitchen table, is legal.
If a minor can put ammo in a magazine, load the magazine into an unloaded firearm, that appears legal. So, I challenge the comments that the state thinking the father is responsible unless the state can prove the firearm was stored loaded and prove that the owner of said firearm had reasonable understanding that a minor has access to said loaded firearm.
Some of these laws are awfully dumb.
But I sure think the parents should be held accountable if a 12 year old has access to a loaded gun and the ability to bring it to school.
That is what I agree with with. Whether the state will charge, and whether the state can prove, is unknown. Our judicial system is innocent until proven guilty. If you have a firearm in the home and a minor present, you have two choices: trust them and accept the responsibility for their actions, or lock it up so they don’t have access.
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