Septic System Costs for Washington County

  • mnfish
    Lake Elmo MN
    Posts: 1104
    #1854184

    Has anyone put in a septic system or installs septic systems in Washington County? We have a buyer for oanur house but the county (Washington County is the only county in the state that requires this!) requires that the septic system be inspected before the title gets transferred (compliance report). If it says non compliant (and ours might being built in 1987) can the property owner still transfer property and give a discount (with estimates) or does it have to be done before the property is transferred? the verbiage in the document doesn’t really say one way or the other?

    Compliance inspections; existing systems.
    (1) A compliance inspection of an existing system must be conducted:
    (A) Prior to the transfer of any real property, unless the age of the
    existing system is less than 5 years;
    (B) When deemed necessary by the Department to ascertain the
    compliance of an existing system.
    (2) A compliance inspection of an existing system must first determine
    whether the soil dispersal system, sewage tanks, or conditions pose an
    imminent threat to public health and safety. A determination must then
    be made as to whether the sewage tanks and soil dispersal area are
    failing to protect groundwater. The inspection must also verify
    compliance with Section 4.3 (3).
    (3) The Agency’s inspection report form for existing SSTS supplemented
    with any necessary or locally required supporting documentation, must
    be used for the existing system compliance inspections in sub-items (A)
    to (D). Allowable supporting documentation includes tank integrity
    assessments made within the past three years and prior soil separation
    assessments.
    (A) A tank integrity and safety compliance assessment must be
    completed by a licensed SSTS inspection, maintenance,
    installation or service provider business, or a qualified employee
    inspector with jurisdiction. An existing compliant tank integrity
    and safety compliance assessment is valid for three years
    unless a new evaluation is requested by the owner or owner’s
    agent or is required by the Department or local unit of
    government.
    (B) A soil separation compliance assessment must be completed by
    a licensed inspection business or a qualified employee inspector
    with jurisdiction. Compliance must be determined either by
    conducting new soil borings or by prior soil separation
    documentations made by two independent parties. The soil
    borings used for system design or previous inspections are
    allowed to be used. If the soil separation has been determined
    by two independent parties, a subsequent determination is not
    required unless requested by the owner or owner’s agent or
    required by the Department or local unit of.
    (C) Determination of hydraulic performance and other compliance in
    Section 4.3(1) must be completed by either a licensed inspection
    business or a qualified employee inspector with jurisdiction.
    (D) A determination of operational performance and other
    compliance in Section 4.3 (4) and Section 4.4, must be
    completed by a licensed advanced inspection business, a
    qualified employee with an advanced inspector certification with
    jurisdiction, or a service provider. A passing report is valid until
    a new inspection is requested.
    (4) A certificate of compliance or notice of noncompliance for an existing
    system must be based on the results of the verifications in item 3.

    Chapter Four • Subsurface Sewage Treatment Regulations Effective 06/05/2018
    Washington County Development Code 36

    Procedures for resolving any
    periodically saturated soil
    discrepancies.
    certificate of compliance or notice of noncompliance for an existing
    system must be signed by a licensed inspection business or a qualified
    employee inspector with jurisdiction. The certificate or notice for an
    existing system must be submitted to the Department or local unit of
    government with jurisdiction and the property owner or owner’s agent no
    later than 15 days after a compliance inspection. The completed form
    must also be submitted to the owner or owner’s agent. The certificate of
    compliance for an existing system is valid for three years from the date
    of issuance, unless a new inspection is requested by the owner or
    owner’s agent or is required by the Department or local unit of
    government.
    (5) If a compliance inspection for an existing system indicates that the
    system is noncompliant, the notice must be signed by a licensed
    inspection business or qualified employee inspector with jurisdiction,
    contain a statement of noncompliance and specify the reason for
    noncompliance or each component as specified in Section 8.13(3).

    https://www.co.washington.mn.us/DocumentCenter/View/90/Chapter-4?bidId=

    It really doesn’t say if it has to be compliant before the transfer only that the inspection needs to be done and a compliant or non compliant report be done. It also states that if found non compliant you have 6 months to make it compliant.

    We are having an inspection done Friday and the buyers are eager to close ASAP! But if found non compliant then what? From what I’ve been reading about the septic systems in Washington County and Lake Elmo is that most are failing because of new codes and Redoximorphic soil layers being close to the ground surface. It seems like they are trying to find more ways to get money out of you!!! The inspection alone is $425 then another $50 to file with the county. And again…they are the only county in the state that requires this!!

    Ryan Speers
    Waconia, MN
    Posts: 509
    #1854189

    I don’t have an answer for your question but wanted to add that we’ve put offers in on a few places in the past couple years and every one has had a septic system inspection clause in it. The one we are buying is having the septic system brought up to code.

    So I’m not sure if your in the only county that requires it or not but it is common now to be part of the real estate transaction. We are in Carver County.

    Here is the wording in ours: “Seller agrees to bring septic system into compliance as required by county and state in order to transfer deed. All work to be done at sellers expense.”

    As with everything else in a real estate transaction, I believe it is negotiable on who pays what amount.

    Based on the wording about having 6 months, I would think the money could be put in escrow allowing the sale to happen before the septic is brought into compliance.

    Good luck with your sale!

    eyefishwalleye
    Central MN
    Posts: 182
    #1854190

    Washington County is not the only county doing this. Sold a home in Mille Lacs county over 13 years ago and had the same issue. Failed inspection. Cost me $10 grand for a new mound system. A few years ago my neighbor sold (Sherburne County) same deal. Failed inspection and had to install a new pressure mound system. I also recently bought property in Morrison County and received a letter regarding title transfer without a septic compliance inspection certificate. You will most likely have to upgrade it before closing or escrow the money as most buyers will not assume the additional cost.

    Bearcat89
    North branch, mn
    Posts: 20324
    #1854191

    To get your system back to compliance will be 5 to 10k.
    A new system is more between 17 to 25k

    I dont think its Washington county alone. We have been looking all over pine and chisago county and have seen the same. We actually passed on a house due to bad septic system, the seller wouldn’t fix.

    mnfish
    Lake Elmo MN
    Posts: 1104
    #1854195

    Please don’t get me wrong… It’s a good thing to get the system fixed especially for protecting the environment. It just sucks having to fork $$$ out and potentially loose a sale over this. But with that said it’s our fault for not having this done last year when the house went up for sale so we are not surprised now.

    Also I guess if this buyer wants this house/property bad enough then they will find ways to work with us to come to an agreeable outcome.

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10422
    #1854199

    State wide –

    Property transfers
    Except for a passing compliance inspection that is valid for five years on new systems and three years for older systems, a compliance inspection is required before a property is sold. Using the Minnesota Pollution Control Agency’s form, the compliance inspector must confirm:

    • The tank(s) is watertight.
    • There is no sewage discharge to the ground, surface or backup into the house.
    • There is adequate vertical drainfield separation from the water table and bedrock.

    A compliance inspection must be completed by a Minnesota Pollution Control Agency licensed private inspector. After the inspection, the septic inspector must either issue a Certificate of Compliance or a Notice of Noncompliance. If a Notice of Noncompliance is received, the homeowner must repair or replace the failing septic system components.

    Although property transfer compliance inspections are not required to address tank or system size requirements, inspectors may include this in an addendum to their report. If the system fails the compliance inspection (but is not an imminent threat to public health), the system must be upgraded within 10 months. The seller and buyer negotiate the cost.

    Compliance inspectors must submit their completed Compliance Inspection Reports to the local municipality with septic system jurisdiction

    Charles
    Posts: 1940
    #1854202

    No depends on the house and type of system that is needed. In Isanti county I think are tank inspections was like $300, but when we moved up to crow wing the buyers didn’t have to pay for one, just had to pump it out and visual inspection.

    Riddle me this why in hell are mound systems so expensive! Are Cambridge house was a foreclosure so we had to pay for a mound system and it was 13K and that was the low quote lol.

    Deleted
    Posts: 959
    #1854204

    Our new septic & drainfield in wabasha county (2014) was $6500.

    nailswi
    Waunakee, WI
    Posts: 165
    #1854205

    I would also try to find the original design and inspection documents prior to having the new inspection. Don’t know if that will help, but it can’t hurt. County should have those documents on file.

    nailswi
    Waunakee, WI
    Posts: 165
    #1854207

    No depends on the house and type of system that is needed. In Isanti county I think are tank inspections was like $300, but when we moved up to crow wing the buyers didn’t have to pay for one, just had to pump it out and visual inspection.

    Riddle me this why in hell are mound systems so expensive! Are Cambridge house was a foreclosure so we had to pay for a mound system and it was 13K and that was the low quote lol.

    Site prep takes longer, more fill material needed, installation and final grading takes longer.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59992
    #1854215

    Sure wish they had this 25 years ago. I didn’t have a clue about septics and once we moved in the pipe between the two gravel bottom tanks broke leaving on 500 tank that needed to be pumped at least once a month if we watched our water usage.

    $15k later we have 3 1000 gallon tanks and a drain field with (forced on us) city water.

    I don’t believe it will stop a sale, but it will make the buyers aware of the problem and you’ll likely end up working out a deal.

    I’m not a reality lawyer by the way. )

    mnfish
    Lake Elmo MN
    Posts: 1104
    #1854223

    I would also try to find the original design and inspection documents prior to having the new inspection. Don’t know if that will help, but it can’t hurt. County should have those documents on file.

    I did pull the original one from the city of Lake Elmo. Hopefully that helps.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #1854254

    Just about every home I see for sale in my service area is getting new septic. Anoka county. My understanding is they changed how far above the water table the septic needs to be. Its the states way to force updating of older systems. Not completely a bad thing but not great for everyone.

    Ive heard customers complain about having to spend 12k for a new system and others happy with the 30k they spent. Seen a few with old systems that where in the front yard and had to be moved to the back yard. Seen a few get moved from the back to the front also.

    Price should vary depending on what will work with your property. It will also vary depending on the contractor you go with. Get plenty of estimates. Talk to those around you that have had theirs done to.

    We are planning to get ours done well before the house ever goes up for sale. Would much rather do this project on my time than have it being rushed because of a sale. We are budgeting towards 30k for ours with there being a good number of mature oaks coming down and a small hill being removed.

    You may also want to watch this issue with purchasing a home to. It may sound fantastic agreeing to the seller paying for a new septic but keep in mind you may be stuck with who every they contract with. Good chance their purchase decision will be more influenced by price than quality of the work. I have talked with a few customers that are not happy with the a hole the old owner hired to do the work. One was even in the process of digging up the front of the house to correct the work.

    gonefishin
    Posts: 346
    #1854256

    Hi, I have gone through this a couple of times and will be now again on current property we are selling.

    My dad’s home in Rice County failed and the home was closed with us putting money into escrow and work completed after closing. We got bids and set money aside. Magically in the end the cost came to exactly what had been set aside in escrow.

    A few years ago with buying our place on ML, there were only holding tanks. Before agreeing on PA, I had the county already approve of the plan to update and then negotiated with the seller on price to put in the new system post closing.

    Now we have our home in Olmsted County up for sale and will having a statement similar to the comment above about being tested and I will pay for upgrade if needed.

    Attached is the report that I believe your inspector will need to fill out and you will probably need to meet the two foot soil separation under Section 4. Just because your system might not meet current standards, as long as it meets the requirement for the older home, I am guessing you will be good to go but check with your county.

    Drizzy Musky
    Duluth
    Posts: 258
    #1854262

    My buddy bought a house in Lake Elmo two years ago. Had the same hang up with the seller, they negotiated a price once the system was fixed and brought to code.

    Sucks but in the long run its the right thing to do.

    mnfish
    Lake Elmo MN
    Posts: 1104
    #1854267

    Is there a requirement that the man hole cover be exposed and accessible at all times?

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13294
    #1854270

    I dont believe so. Most are covered.

Viewing 19 posts - 1 through 19 (of 19 total)

You must be logged in to reply to this topic.