SELLER beware

I’ll buy your gun if you buy my Harley.
DT

If it’s electric… I’ll take it.

I have had it happen to me also. While I was working at a local gun shop, I had a trace come in from a gun I purchased there a few years prior. I sold the gun locally to someone I did not know and that gun was recovered at a crime scene. I got a phone call on my personal cell from a local PD a couple days after I sent the information in. I copied and emailed them the information I took down when I sold the weapon, much like BK did. She thanked me and I went on my jolly way.

Side note, since this thread seemed to deviate.

When someone says that there isn’t a tracking record of firearms, they are slightly mistaken. I will tell you for certain that any gun you purchase from a gun shop can be legally tracked back to you. It may take time, but it can be done. Dealers report serial number sales to the ATF, omitting the buyers name after the sale has taken place. They use those records to find where the gun was last purchased and request a trace from the dealer it was sold from.

Only time it gets blurry is when the gun was legally sold by the user to a fellow resident of the state they reside in, like the case here. That number is very low, but I guess you could call it a “loophole”…There is no requirement to record the information of the private sale, it’s just good practice to CYA.

EDIT: just so the internet is aware, I sold all of my firearms and do not believe in ownership…

Not really much else you could have done. Straw purchases are illegal, but how do you as a seller prevent them? Would have just as easily have happened at an FFL as it did for a private sale. You did more than the law requires to document the sale.

deertracker wrote:

Not taking a shot at you Randy and I’m sure you know that. You just happened to type the story. It seems that we put too much effort into trying to save people from themselves. But we will do it because that’s what good honest people do. I’ll stop now as I’m rambling. Lol I think you know the point I’m trying to make.
DT

DT, that’s not a shot, its stating reality. Very true, when you genuinely care about people and others, things like this bug you. Not always the individual, but the broader view off all the innocent people that are affected.

deertracker wrote:

I want it known right now on the Internet that I do not own any guns.
DT

Well that’s a dirty lie. This picture is on your Facebook page. That’s you on the right in the pink ear-protectors, right?

For those of you who have NOT qualified at the Gangsta Xpert level with a handgun like DT has, let me just explain that the Modified Package Grab (MPG) stance is obviously what all the top guns are using nowadays.

Grouse

Grouse! Why did you tell me the MPG stance was where I hold the other guys package??

You guys are going to owe me a new keyboard if i can’t get this one cleaned up,,,,,

HRG

Send the bill to DT, the city can afford it.

Brian Klawitter wrote:

Grouse! Why did you tell me the MPG stance was where I hold the other guys package??

And that right there is why BK is banned from every gun range in the tri-state area…

I sold a handgun to a fellow IDO’er on a handshake. Waiting for that knock on the door……lolololol

suzuki wrote:

I sold a handgun to a fellow IDO’er on a handshake. Waiting for that knock on the door……lolololol

Yeah, I was a straw buyer.

You’ll be waiting a long time for that knock Mike.

Ralph, I would be more worried on your end.

That explains why the serial number was filed off!

Ralph Wiggum wrote:

That explains why the serial number was filed off!

That’s just ketchup on the grip……

I don’t know what to be more concerned about with this group, Buying a “hot” firearm or getting sold an illegal fishing lure. yikes

Sept 12th 2018 update:

I was contacted today by the St Paul ATF and Explosives.

Apparently other weapons this person bought are showing up in crimes.

Brian Klawitter wrote:

Sept 12th 2018 update:

I was contacted today by the St Paul ATF and Explosives.

Apparently other weapons this person bought are showing up in crimes.

So now when folks ask for your cell number, they don’t mean your phone?

I’m late to the game here but I thought is there a law that said if you sell a gun private party to private party (totally legal) but it is used in the commission of a crime within three years of sale and you didn’t do a NICS check you could be held liable as the seller. Was it just for pistols and “assault weapons?” Did I totally make this up? I’ve never sold a gun so not a huge concern of mine

Regularpaul wrote:

I’m late to the game here but I thought is there a law that said if you sell a gun private party to private party (totally legal) but it is used in the commission of a crime within three years of sale and you didn’t do a NICS check you could be held liable as the seller. Was it just for pistols and “assault weapons?” Did I totally make this up? I’ve never sold a gun so not a huge concern of mine

It is my understanding a private citizen does NOT have access to the NICS system. The system is set up for FFL holders and even then the FFL holder needs set up an account and password before accessing the NICS system.

I could be mistaken so don’t take the above, as legal advice.

Huntindave wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Regularpaul wrote:</div>
I’m late to the game here but I thought is there a law that said if you sell a gun private party to private party (totally legal) but it is used in the commission of a crime within three years of sale and you didn’t do a NICS check you could be held liable as the seller. Was it just for pistols and “assault weapons?” Did I totally make this up? I’ve never sold a gun so not a huge concern of mine

It is my understanding a private citizen does NOT have access to the NICS system. The system is set up for FFL holders and even then the FFL holder needs set up an account and password before accessing the NICS system.

I could be mistaken so don’t take the above, as legal advice.

I should’ve clarified. I believe you’re correct that we don’t have access. I meant doing private to private sale at an FFL dealer and running the check. I’ve been asked to do that by someone I bought a gun from and have no issue with that. Peace of mind for the seller and I would ask the same.

Regularpaul wrote:

I’m late to the game here but I thought is there a law that said if you sell a gun private party to private party (totally legal) but it is used in the commission of a crime within three years of sale and you didn’t do a NICS check you could be held liable as the seller. Was it just for pistols and “assault weapons?” Did I totally make this up?

Certain states may have their own laws in regards to this, but MN is not one of them.

Huntindave wrote:

So now when folks ask for your cell number, they don’t mean your phone?

Oooh, that’s good!