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Huntindave wrote:

I suspect my actions would have been exactly the same.

Except for the fact that the police weren’t even supposed to be there. They could have just as well been at your house. Or mine.

gimruis wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Huntindave wrote:</div>
I suspect my actions would have been exactly the same.

Except for the fact that the police weren’t even supposed to be there. They could have just as well been at your house. Or mine.

HUH???
As I said,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, My actions would have been exactly the same and yes I mostly likely would have been shot dead as well.

No-knocks directly violate the 4th Amendment, in technical interpretation. I have zero sympathy for any law enforcement that ends up dead in that scenario. F around and find out.

Huntindave wrote:

As I said,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, My actions would have been exactly the same and yes I mostly likely would have been shot dead as well.

My apologies Dave. I read that incorrectly.

Until it has went threw the court system I would not make any rash opinions. Think of it like science it changes by the second.

ganderpike wrote:

No-knocks directly violate the 4th Amendment, in technical interpretation. I have zero sympathy for any law enforcement that ends up dead in that scenario. F around and find out.

What part of the 4th Amendment are you saying no knock search warrants violate?
DT

deertracker wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>ganderpike wrote:</div>
No-knocks directly violate the 4th Amendment, in technical interpretation. I have zero sympathy for any law enforcement that ends up dead in that scenario. F around and find out.

What part of the 4th Amendment are you saying no knock search warrants violate?
DT

There are many court cases that tie announcing to the reasonableness of searches.

In my opinion you can’t be “secure” against unreasonable searches and seizures if you are expected to allow people to kick down your door and come in without resistance because they might be police and they might have a warrant.

I’m confused. Why would somebody kick my door down? I could maybe see it if I was dealing dope, trafficking kids, shot somebody. But I mean, is somebody going to kick my door in if I didn’t pay a parking ticket? Now I’m worried. BTW, whats this got to do with a school shooting?

deertracker wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>ganderpike wrote:</div>
No-knocks directly violate the 4th Amendment, in technical interpretation. I have zero sympathy for any law enforcement that ends up dead in that scenario. F around and find out.

What part of the 4th Amendment are you saying no knock search warrants violate?
DT

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Is that sarcasm?

Dutchboy wrote:

I’m confused. Why would somebody kick my door down?

That was my point. You have nothing to do with a crime and you are not a suspect. This guy isn’t either. They made a mistake and kicked the wrong door down.

Dutchboy wrote:

I’m confused. Why would somebody kick my door down? I could maybe see it if I was dealing dope, trafficking kids, shot somebody.

Because they went to the wrong address? https://www.kare11.com/article/news/investigations/innocent-mn-family-held-at-gunpoint-in-swat-no-knock-warrant-raid/

gimruis wrote:

They made a mistake and kicked the wrong door down.

They actually had a key, its in the body cam footage and they unlocked the door. Where did they get that?

CaptainMusky wrote:

They actually had a key, its in the body cam footage and they unlocked the door. Where did they get that?

I don’t know. Its definitely the wrong address and the wrong guy, as reported by the police dept.

They could get a key to your house if they really wanted to I’m sure.

^^^From the land lord. Most apartment complexes have land lords with keys to every apartment in case of emergency.

Ripjiggen wrote:

^^^From the land lord. Most apartment complexes have land lords with keys to every apartment in case of emergency.

This looks really bad. How could they eff something up that poorly? The guy did have a gun in his hand however when he was shot, but still not a good look at all.

And so would I if someone was coming through my door unannounced. Legal gun by the way.
Trust me I support police but fatal mistake was made. Will wait till all the facts are out but the video that is out doesn’t look great at this point.

gimruis wrote:

They made a mistake and kicked the wrong door down.

Where did you see that? I haven’t ready anything about it being the wrong address. I agree with Ganderpike on the no knock raids tho both constitutionally and practically I think it puts everyone at a higher risk.

Ripjiggen wrote:

And so would I if someone was coming through my door unannounced. Legal gun by the way.

I am NOT blaming the victim just merely pointing out he was holding a weapon.

Yeah I have not read it was the wrong address either. Definitely the wrong guy but have not heard wrong address. That’s why I will wait for all the facts to come out.

I here you Musky. I wasn’t coming at you personally.

CaptainMusky wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ripjiggen wrote:</div>
^^^From the land lord. Most apartment complexes have land lords with keys to every apartment in case of emergency.

This looks really bad. How could they eff something up that poorly? The guy did have a gun in his hand however when he was shot, but still not a good look at all.

I would also have a gun in my hand at that point

BigWerm wrote:

Where did you see that? I haven’t ready anything about it being the wrong address.

I read it earlier this morning and now I can’t find it. All I can find now is that the individual involved was not named in the search warrant.

gimruis wrote:

I read it earlier this morning and now I can’t find it. All I can find now is that the individual involved was not named in the search warrant.

There was an article on Kare11 but it has since been pulled. Not sure the reasoning.

Ugh. This is a never-ending fog over the city and state. Trial next year. By that point another shooting will happen, trial 2 years from now. Rinse and repeat. Can we go back to happier times again? Any day now.

Was this in Mpls or St Paul? I thought Mpls outlawed no knock orders?

CaptainMusky wrote:

Was this in Mpls or St Paul? I thought Mpls outlawed no knock orders?

Minneapolis. End of 2020 they announced they had created an official policy on no knocks for the first time but that was it.

Search Warrants are put before a judge who reviews the application for the search warrant and the supporting information that justifies the need to search. The judge then either grants or denies permission for the search warrant to take place. The judge also reviews the reason for a no-knock search warrant and either grants the no-knock or not.

Search warrants are not only for people, they can be for homes, cars businesses etc. The fact that the victim was not identified in the search warrant doesn’t by itself mean that it was the wrong address (the investigation into this shooting will determine if this was the right address or not). At any rate, it is a tragedy when a life is lost for everyone involved.

It’s sad that there is so much speculation and misinformation put forward and shared by people that are not truly in the know that occurs before all the facts are released. This type of speculation and misinformation is detrimental to all. I pray for all those involved or impacted and for calm in our communities.

Welcome to the 20 century folke. Social media is everywhere and there are always going to be people spewing misinformation. Unfortunately it’s the world we now live in.
I mean people demand to see body cam footage. Police dept releases. Of course people are going to critique it and give their thoughts on the matter.

Something isn’t adding up regarding this police shooting. So it was reported that the guy had a legal permit to carry. He purchased it for protection because he was a door dash driver and wanted protection due to the car jackings. Just read his dad who was being held for threatening a judge at her residence is going to be released to attend his “15 year old sons funeral”. Ok 1 you can’t legally purchase any gun at 15 let alone a handgun or get a permit to carry. 2 he isn’t even old enough to drive. How is this?

CaptainMusky wrote:

Something isn’t adding up regarding this police shooting. So it was reported that the guy had a legal permit to carry. He purchased it for protection because he was a door dash driver and wanted protection due to the car jackings. Just read his dad who was being held for threatening a judge at her residence is going to be released to attend his “15 year old sons funeral”. Ok 1 you can’t legally purchase any gun at 15 let alone a handgun or get a permit to carry. 2 he isn’t even old enough to drive. How is this?

You’re combining the two shootings into one. The father who is being held for threatening a judge with the 15 year old son, Jahmari Rice, is the Richfield school shooting (outside the school).
The man shot in the apartment by police, Amir Locke, was 22 and his father had reported that he had a legal permit to carry for protection because he was a Door Dash driver.

blank wrote:

You’re combining the two shootings into one. The father who is being held for threatening a judge with the 15 year old son, Jahmari Rice, is the Richfield school shooting (outside the school).
The man shot in the apartment by police, Amir Locke, was 22 and his father had reported that he had a legal permit to carry for protection because he was a Door Dash driver.

Ah thank you!