but to your point it’s being funded by taxpayers and state prisons are over-crowded too. the rate at which we place non-violent offenders in prison is probably one of the least cost-effective things we do as a society.
Yes, correction noted. There just isn’t room in prison for it, whether its a federal or state facility. The point I was mostly trying to make is that deportation is better than prison.
Ok Michael. So you’re totally ok with them coming here but you’re not willing to offer your place for them? How about your job?
It’s ok as long as is doesn’t affect you? Got it.
Ok Michael. So you’re totally ok with them coming here but you’re not willing to offer your place for them? How about your job?
It’s ok as long as is doesn’t affect you? Got it.
well, now we’re getting somewhere! you’re focusing on immigration as a separate issue from violent crime.
there’s room.
there’s jobs.
and there should be a better process.
You’re avoiding the question
Michael.
I’ll still stand by my statement. More people= more crime. We have too much crime already therefore we don’t need to add to it with people who don’t follow our laws. It’s really not complicated.
You’re no different than the liberal leaders in NYC, Chicago, etc. You’re all for giving them sanctuary as long as it’s not in your city, house, workplace, etc. Don’t give me crap about being compassionate to others. At least I’m honest. You preach all this compassion yet you’re a hypocrite when it comes to actually doing something about it.
There’s jobs just not mine, there’s room just not at my house. GTFO
A lot of illegal immigrants aren’t originally from Mexico either. Yes, that’s where they cross, but the majority of them, at least right now, are coming from Central America or Venezuela. I would just prefer to deport them back to their country of origin instead. Our federal prisons are at or near capacity already.
How about the 10’s of thousands military aged Chinese males that just strolled in the last year?
it doesn’t. as i’ve mentioned – repeatedly, if you care to go re-read it – that’s just a hypothesis. but it’s a theory based on having an understanding of the kinds of forced sexual labor that is taking place and how it occurs. another possibility is that they’re being forced into seasonal farm work. someone takes your passport, makes you promises, and you don’t speak English…
no one has presented an alternative theory other than shouting “bad immigrants” over and over. what’s yours?
You apparently dont know the definition of hypothesis or theory because you need actual evidence to create either of those which you have none. They never even stated the sex of the 11 so to assume they are all female is a massive stretch.
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A lot of illegal immigrants aren’t originally from Mexico either. Yes, that’s where they cross, but the majority of them, at least right now, are coming from Central America or Venezuela. I would just prefer to deport them back to their country of origin instead. Our federal prisons are at or near capacity already.How about the 10’s of thousands military aged Chinese males that just strolled in the last year?
Don’t worry about that. Im sure they’re victims too.
How about the 10’s of thousands military aged Chinese males that just strolled in the last year?
I’m not familiar with this, but the point being made is that an illegal immigrant should be deported, not put in prison (as long as its not associated with violent crime). There isn’t any room in the prison system. If they’re from China, deport them back to China.
the point being made is that an illegal immigrant should be deported, not put in prison (as long as its not associated with violent crime). There isn’t any room in the prison system. If they’re from China, deport them back to China.
Ive said the same thing multiple times.
Ive said the same thing multiple times.
The Dept of Homeland Security… there is an oxymoron… or just a bunch of morons. What do they call “Kids in cages” now that it is a Liberal Administration… not sure, but it seems they just ignore it now, they must have forgot about their outrage a few years ago.
The Dept of Homeland Security… there is an oxymoron… or just a bunch of morons. What do they call “Kids in cages” now that it is a Liberal Administration… not sure, but it seems they just ignore it now, they must have forgot about their outrage a few years ago.
They didn’t forget, but they’re banking on us forgetting.
The problem is that they’re using taxpayer dollars and resources at a federal prison though.
A lot of illegal immigrants aren’t originally from Mexico either. Yes, that’s where they cross, but the majority of them, at least right now, are coming from Central America or Venezuela. I would just prefer to deport them back to their country of origin instead. Our federal prisons are at or near capacity already.
We will just need to agree to disagree on this one. I don’t see point in simply deporting them back to their own country at the US tax payers $ only to have them come right across the border again and possibly commit another and possibly more serious crime. Just so we are clear here. I’m not talking about jailing them simply for the crime of being a illegal Immigrant. I’m talking about for other crimes. I say jail them for all the same crimes as you would jail a legal US citizen for. You can bet you last $ that if you were a illegal immigrant in any of these other countries and you committed a crime. You would not simply be being sent back to your own country
Just so we are clear here. I’m not talking about jailing them simply for the crime of being a illegal Immigrant. I’m talking about for other crimes.
I must have missed this part earlier. Thank you for clarifying.
Hamas is hiring,…….send them to Gaza.
I must have missed this part earlier. Thank you for clarifying.
You may not have missed it. I may not have made it clear in the 1st place.
That being said, I’m also not a big fan of repeatedly using US tax payer $ to keep deporting the same people back to their own country to only have to do so again a short time later.
A little side story. May years ago when I worked at a Bank in Minneapolis we would get lots of employees from Golden Valley Microwave Foods cash their check at our bank. There was once a raid by immigration services at the location on like a Tues. they found and deported a rather large # of illegal immigrants at the plant. Less than 2 weeks later they conducted another raid on the same plant and over 1/2 of the deported people from the 1st raid were back working in the same building. The company paid a rather large fine each time. Most of the Illegal Immigrants had supplied what was rather good looking documentation papers.
You’re avoiding the question Michael.
it’s a strawman.
We have too much crime already therefore we don’t need to add to it with people who don’t follow our laws. It’s really not complicated.
well, they’re here, and they will continue to come. what’s your solution?
You’re no different than the liberal leaders in NYC, Chicago, etc. You’re all for giving them sanctuary as long as it’s not in your city, house, workplace, etc. Don’t give me crap about being compassionate to others. At least I’m honest. You preach all this compassion yet you’re a hypocrite when it comes to actually doing something about it.
as a conservative, this makes me chuckle.
There’s jobs just not mine, there’s room just not at my house. GTFO
our economy depends on population growth, and our birth rate doesn’t provide the supply of new workers that we need. thus, we need immigration and we should provide a safe, legal pathway for entry, employment, and citizenship.
also, more name-calling and swearing. well done!
You apparently dont know the definition of hypothesis or theory because you need actual evidence to create either of those which you have none. They never even stated the sex of the 11 so to assume they are all female is a massive stretch.
actually i doubt they were all women, i suspect some were children of mixed gender. let the horrors of that idea percolate for a few minutes.
I’m talking about for other crimes. I say jail them for all the same crimes as you would jail a legal US citizen for.
this is mostly what happens for serious/violent crimes. deportation generally waits until after serving their prison time in the U.S.
You literally are making up your own theories on all this and keep making excuses as to why this happened and then keep saying strawman over and over. You are the definition of an idiot
All that and you didn’t give a real response to any of it. You’re just dodging the question or arguement and adding a dumb response. Is it because you don’t have anything meaningful or true to add to the conversation?
Mixed genders? I could have guessed that from you.
That’s the dumbest arguement you could ever start.
I like Trump’s plan when it comes to the border issue.
Finish the wall and start the largest deportation campaign in US history.
There are news reports about the story where they say that the victim claimed at least 4 men were involved in the assault. Another I watched a couple weeks ago (possibly has been corrected/ story changed) said that the 11 taken into custody by border patrol were men.
I’ve tried a couple times to link the videos but I can’t get it to work. My post just disappears.
It appears there hasn’t much for communication from the bemidji police department to the public or the victims family at this point. There’s still some conflicting information weeks after the fact.
I still believe that unless they tried to intervene or help the girl(s) that were tied up and being assaulted in the other room then they were not victims. The news definitely never said that the 11 were also prisoners.
What does a strawman mean lol. I keep reading strawman in this thread. Is it like a scare crow made out of straw or what’s the deal with it?
All of them were males…
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Our economy depends on population growth and we’re not keeping up with demand yet we’re teaching kids it’s ok to be mixed genders….
Then we think we need to bring in people from other countries to fill the gap instead.
We are living in clown world.
What does a strawman mean lol. I keep reading strawman in this thread. Is it like a scare crow made out of straw or what’s the deal with it?
A straw man fallacy occurs when someone distorts or exaggerates another person’s argument, and then attacks the distorted version of the argument instead of genuinely engaging.
The claim that it’s hypocritical to express a compassionate view for the plight of immigrants but not fill my own house with them is a distortion and personalization rather than a focus on any meaningful discussion of the issues…thus, it’s a strawman argument.
I like Trump’s plan when it comes to the border issue.
Finish the wall and start the largest deportation campaign in US history.
good for the economy and so easy to implement, too.
but hey, i heard Mexico is paying for it? so there’s that.
There are news reports about the story where they say that the victim claimed at least 4 men were involved in the assault.
the victim’s initial report was multiple men and 3 child victims. the police clearly stated that this was not an accurate report, and their belief is that this was an isolated incident. ie., they got their guy. none of the 11 others mentioned at the home have been charged.
I still believe that unless they tried to intervene or help the girl(s) that were tied up and being assaulted in the other room then they were not victims.
yes, take any 11 random people on the planet and they’ll act to stop a child from being raped – if they can. if that doesn’t happen, there’s a reason – they didn’t know, or they had reason to fear.
Mixed genders? I could have guessed that from you.
mixed genders…as in some boys and some girls. not transgender. sheesh, lol.
but as it turns out they were all adults.
All of them were males…
yes, it looks like more information has clarified this detail, making it very unlikely they were being trafficked for sexual reasons, and more likely it was for seasonal employment. (who employs these guys? oh yeah, we do.) and that doesn’t turn unauthorized immigrants into a group of child rapists, those are still separate issues.
The claim that it’s hypocritical to express a compassionate view for the plight of immigrants but not fill my own house with them is a distortion and personalization rather than a focus on any meaningful discussion of the issues…thus, it’s a strawman argument.
I disagree. I think it’s a valid question. They have to go somewhere. They have to work somewhere. Rent, mortgages, hotels aren’t cheap. It won’t be long term, just until they’re on their feet. If you think it’s a grand idea I say write the check. Or offer up your spare room.
good for the economy and so easy to implement, too.
but hey, i heard Mexico is paying for it? so there’s that.If we stop sending money to foreign wars we’d have no problem.
I remember the economy before, during, and after trump’s administration. I’d take my chances with him again.There are news reports about the story where they say that the victim claimed at least 4 men were involved in the assault.
the victim’s initial report was multiple men and 3 child victims. the police clearly stated that this was not an accurate report, and their belief is that this was an isolated incident. ie., they got their guy. none of the 11 others mentioned at the home have been charged.
This strikes me as odd. I’ve always been a supporter of law enforcement but this one makes me wonder. Did the victim not see what she saw? She was there and they weren’t. She claimed there was a bloodied girl being kept in a closet and bemidji PD says it didn’t happen. Being she’s a native girl and the history with missing native girls all across the continent it just makes me wonder. It’s just an odd and tragic story all together really.
I still believe that unless they tried to intervene or help the girl(s) that were tied up and being assaulted in the other room then they were not victims.
yes, take any 11 random people on the planet and they’ll act to stop a child from being raped – if they can. if that doesn’t happen, there’s a reason – they didn’t know, or they had reason to fear.
Fair enough, it’s hard to say what one would in a situation like that. I would personally gladly die defending a random innocent girl from being assaulted.
Mixed genders? I could have guessed that from you.
mixed genders…as in some boys and some girls. not transgender. sheesh, lol.
but as it turns out they were all adults.Fair enough!
All of them were males…
yes, it looks like more information has clarified this detail, making it very unlikely they were being trafficked for sexual reasons, and more likely it was for seasonal employment. (who employs these guys? oh yeah, we do.) and that doesn’t turn unauthorized immigrants into a group of child rapists, those are still separate issues.
Nope you’re right having a job and working out of country doesn’t make you a pervert. But being in a house with a young girl(s) being assaulted definitely makes you suspect in my opinion. If they had legal visas for work, I don’t think border patrol would have taken them into custody. Or at minimum they would have been released after investigations. (Maybe they were?)
I’d guess we will never know the real facts or intentions of the other 11.
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