Sad / Senseless Crime in Bemidji Minnesota

big_g wrote:

Do you believe the immigrants don’t use google ? Sure they do. That test is not the hold up…

It’s not a take home test bud. But you’re right, the immigration issue is much bigger than that test. And I doubt you, me or Thumper would last long working the fields like a lot of migrant workers do.

buckybadger wrote:

Meet Hennepin County Attorney Mary Moriarty:

Either her, or someone who works beneath her in her staff should be blasted everywhere imaginable for letting the people walk repeatedly who did this. This is on them too.

Yeah, she is terrible. Do a Google search of her name in the news if you want to see some ridiculous statements and decisions she’s made on the Darrell Freeman, Stephen Markey, SRO’s, and Zaria McKeever cases. The McKeever one was so bad, an Assistant DA quit, and even Walz stepped in and reassigned to Ellison’s office. No such luck in the other cases, and surely more to come.

I spent plenty of summers, picking rocks, baling hay, detasseling corn etc etc etc…. I survived to achieve the American Dream !

The difference is….Mexico is going to pay for it per the last President. Sometimes you have to eat crow and do what needs to be done….without making up some cockamamy story about who is going to finance such wall. Not here to argue but lets look at both sides.

BigWerm wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>fishthumper wrote:</div>
I like many other do not have a problem with LEGAL Immigration.

Most people who say this, have no idea how difficult LEGAL immigration is, to the point it is not really an option for most of the good people coming across the southern border. Even my cousins now wife, who got her PhD in America, could not complete the process before her student Visa was up, and she is a Medical Doctor with money!!!

Yep- I knew a Peruvian guy here who was still waiting MANY years later to get his papers, and he was one of the most humble, nice, intelligent and productive(not to mention down-to-earth) individuals I’ve ever met. And he was doing it the “correct” way.

The whole system and situation is a mess. That’s not to say things aren’t out of control, though.

big_g wrote:

I spent plenty of summers, picking rocks, baling hay, detasseling corn etc etc etc…. I survived to achieve the American Dream !

Likewise. I picked rocks, shoveled driveways, put up more wagons of hay than I care to admit, milked cows for family friends, weed whacked and sprayed miles of culverts on foot, tore off shingles, all to try and stay ahead and put myself through college and build a future.

Now I’m in my 30s with a wife, 2 kids, some land, a new forever home, and no mortgage. I do still have 2 jobs and additional side work though.

I do agree as someone mentioned there are few Americans who want to do that kind of work. However, that doesn’t make someone less because as a LEGAL immigrant they are willing to do those jobs. There’s still a path for hardworking people to pass lazy ones. The immigration laws need to be addressed though. I’m all about bringing in legal, hardworking immigrants to better their lives and contribute to society. The issue is that it’s so much easier to attempt illegally with no consequences whatsoever. Until that’s addressed more stories like this will be common.

immigration is a serious issue that needs to be addressed.
violent crime is a serious issue that needs to be addressed.
but they’re not the same issue. immigration policies will have zero impact on population-level sexual assault rates in this country. broadcasting that idea when we know better is a cynical ploy to scare people into votes.

statistically, the greatest risk to your children of being sexually assaulted comes from a family member. so unless yours is a family of illegal immigrants…

Michael C. Winther wrote:

immigration is a serious issue that needs to be addressed.
violent crime is a serious issue that needs to be addressed.
but they’re not the same issue. immigration policies will have zero impact on population-level sexual assault rates in this country. broadcasting that idea when we know better is a cynical ploy to scare people into votes.

statistically, the greatest risk to your children of being sexually assaulted comes from a family member. so unless yours is a family of illegal immigrants…

Adding millions of people to the population will certainly impact everything. Crime included. You can’t add that many people and not have an increase in everything that humans do. You think every person crossing is just an average Joe looking for work?
People are coming from across the globe to exploit our current open southern border.
Certainly there’s plenty of good people crossing (though they’re doing it criminally), but there’s bad apples everywhere and to think none of them are part of millions that have crossed in recent years it’s just ignorant.

Gitchi Gummi wrote:

I think the ironic thing is many of our ancestors would not have qualified for legal immigration into the United States under today’s immigration laws. So it was ok when many of our great great grandparents came to this country that way but now that we are in, we are totally against others getting in unless they jump thru a bunch of hoops and check all the boxes that our (many current American citizens’) ancestors didn’t have to do.

Pot meet kettle.

^^^ worth another mention

curious GG……… What do you think the process should be to become citizen? How many per year? Where should that person reside until your process is complete? what should the punishment be if the person doesn’t comply with your process?

To your question….or recomment….. if an immigrant finds a sparsely inhabited island, builds a home and lives off the land or creates a business to survive on his own…… awesome!!!!!

Gitchi Gummi wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Gitchi Gummi wrote:</div>
I think the ironic thing is many of our ancestors would not have qualified for legal immigration into the United States under today’s immigration laws. So it was ok when many of our great great grandparents came to this country that way but now that we are in, we are totally against others getting in unless they jump thru a bunch of hoops and check all the boxes that our (many current American citizens’) ancestors didn’t have to do.

Pot meet kettle.

^^^ worth another mention

You can’t compare laws from 100+ years ago to current day laws. Times change. Most immigrants then came on ships through ports of entry and were checked out by the government before they could go anywhere. My great grandmothers brother was sent back to Germany because he was sick when they got here, that was shortly before WW1.
Nobody is being turned away or even checked out as to who they really are while sneaking across the southern border.

grubson wrote:

Adding millions of people to the population will certainly impact everything. Crime included. You can’t add that many people and not have an increase in everything that humans do. You think every person crossing is just an average Joe looking for work?
People are coming from across the globe to exploit our current open southern border.
Certainly there’s plenty of good people crossing (though they’re doing it criminally), but there’s bad apples everywhere and to think none of them are part of millions that have crossed in recent years it’s just ignorant.

^^^^ Bingo. I simply can not understand when someone says there is no increase in Crime from illegal immigrants entering this country. I don’t care how small the percentage is. My guess is Michael C. Winther would care as well if the crime happened to him or a family member of his.

In 2018, the illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 782 per 100,000 illegal immigrants, 535 per 100,000 legal immigrants, and 1,422 per 100,000 native‐​born Americans.Oct 13, 2020

Don Meier wrote:

In 2018, the illegal immigrant criminal conviction rate was 782 per 100,000 illegal immigrants, 535 per 100,000 legal immigrants, and 1,422 per 100,000 native‐​born Americans.Oct 13, 2020

That’s because many illegal immigrants get deported before being tried and convicted. Does not mean their crime rate is lower than the general population.

Also, the very existence of being in country is a crime. So 100,000 of 100,000 illegal immigrants are criminals. Convicted or not.

-J.

buckybadger wrote:

I spent plenty of summers, picking rocks, baling hay, detasseling corn etc etc etc…. I survived to achieve the American Dream !

Likewise. I picked rocks, shoveled driveways, put up more wagons of hay than I care to admit, milked cows for family friends, weed whacked and sprayed miles of culverts on foot, tore off shingles,

Yeah I did most of those, and a few other less than desirable jobs, growing up too. My point is that I doubt any of us, and very few on IDO, would be capable of doing those jobs today for a full day, let alone 60+ hours a week for years on end. And by the sounds of the side gig thread, there aren’t too many American born kids today that would be willing AND able to do so either.

BigWerm wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>buckybadger wrote:</div>
I spent plenty of summers, picking rocks, baling hay, detasseling corn etc etc etc…. I survived to achieve the American Dream !

Likewise. I picked rocks, shoveled driveways, put up more wagons of hay than I care to admit, milked cows for family friends, weed whacked and sprayed miles of culverts on foot, tore off shingles,

Yeah I did most of those, and a few other less than desirable jobs, growing up too. My point is that I doubt any of us, and very few on IDO, would be capable of doing those jobs today for a full day, let alone 60+ hours a week for years on end. And by the sounds of the side gig thread, there aren’t too many American born kids today that would be willing AND able to do so either.

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Leave it to IDO to turn a news story of the rape of a child, to immigrants/southern border, work ethic, and bragging about their manliness of manual labor.

fishthumper wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>grubson wrote:</div>
Adding millions of people to the population will certainly impact everything. Crime included. You can’t add that many people and not have an increase in everything that humans do…

^^^^ Bingo. I simply can not understand when someone says there is no increase in Crime from illegal immigrants entering this country. I don’t care how small the percentage is. My guess is Michael C. Winther would care as well if the crime happened to him or a family member of his.

well, that’s certainly a good argument against allowing anyone to have babies. because babies grow up and some of them commit crimes and there’s an increase in crime and we should build a wall around the birthing centers.

more seriously, we’re just pointing out different things. crime rate is different than the total number of criminal acts. the raw number of crimes can increase without our individual risk being impacted. in fact, the total number can increase and our risk can decrease if the total population grows at a faster rate than criminal acts.

if we assume – as mentioned – that people are people who do everything that people do, there will be roughly similar rates of violent crime in native citizens and new immigrants (ie., not status offenses like crossing the border). if most immigrants are looking for a better life of work and family and stability, the bad guys who come along don’t impact the crime rate, even if they do increase the number of criminal acts.

Oh, so that is the solution, just let them flood into this country so the rate drops! Completely makes sense. LOL

blank wrote:

Leave it to IDO to turn a news story of the rape of a child, to immigrants/southern border, work ethic, and bragging about their manliness of manual labor.

Did you read any of the story?
How can it not turn to discussion about the border and illegal immigrants when the house she was assaulted in had 11 undocumented immigrants and a “Texan” with multiple warrants in it. What’s unbelievable is how people try everything in their power to defend our current administration and government as a whole. They try to turn blame or shame onto Americans for questioning and discussing current events.

Michael C. Winther wrote:

well, that’s certainly a good argument against allowing anyone to have babies. because babies grow up and some of them commit crimes and there’s an increase in crime and we should build a wall around the birthing centers.

more seriously, we’re just pointing out different things. crime rate is different than the total number of criminal acts. the raw number of crimes can increase without our individual risk being impacted. in fact, the total number can increase and our risk can decrease if the total population grows at a faster rate than criminal acts.

if we assume – as mentioned – that people are people who do everything that people do, there will be roughly similar rates of violent crime in native citizens and new immigrants (ie., not status offenses like crossing the border). if most immigrants are looking for a better life of work and family and stability, the bad guys who come along don’t impact the crime rate, even if they do increase the number of criminal acts.

Did you just say that more bad guys committing crimes won’t impact the crime rate?

More people = more crime. Period.
Yes even babies as odd of an arguement that is. At least we have educational standards, programs, and our own personal values to help raise our children for life in our country. We have are own problems as a nation there. (Refer to the side job thread)

We don’t know anything about who these millions of people are or where they came from. Nearly half of this world wants “death to America” and we have the front door wide open. Crime is off the charts already without help from millions with unknown intentions.

blank wrote:

Leave it to IDO to turn a news story of the rape of a child, to immigrants/southern border, work ethic, and bragging about their manliness of manual labor.

That explains the blank….

grubson wrote:

Nearly half of this world wants “death to America. Move to America”

Changed it for ya. Doom and gloom never gets anyone anywhere. There’s a very small extremist fraction of the world that wants America to dissappear.

Deuces wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>grubson wrote:</div>
Nearly half of this world wants “death to America. Move to America”

Changed it for ya. Doom and gloom never gets anyone anywhere. There’s a very small extremist fraction of the world that wants America to dissappear.

And some are actually elected officials in the bowels.

violent crimes are terrible and we should try to stop them.
being a victim is horrible and we should give victims support.
violent crime is not common, in fact it’s exceptionally rare.
immigration is poorly managed. however, crime rates have not increased as a result of increased immigration issues in this century.

At least we have educational standards, programs, and our own personal values to help raise our children for life in our country.

so people in/from other countries don’t care about education, programs, and personal values to help raise their children? got it…

my grandmother told me about how they had to stop speaking German at home and in church when she was young because people were saying “they don’t have American values!” about my immigrant ancestors 100 years ago too.

We don’t know anything about who these millions of people are or where they came from.

ah, so.

Crime is off the charts already without help from millions with unknown intentions.

actually, the FBI has charts! and crime is ON those charts! and…it’s going down steadily in spite of immigration issues. weird.

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Interesting your charts dont include the last two years, how convenient, when this is when the record illegal immigration started.

Haha the FBI’s charts, they’re a super trustworthy government organization . Missing the crucial years there though.
Show me the last 3 years. Ask anyone who works retail in a big city. Stores ate closing their doors all over the country due to theft. You won’t convince me that everything is great, especially using dated government provided charts.

Deuces wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>grubson wrote:</div>
Nearly half of this world wants “death to America. Move to America”

Changed it for ya. Doom and gloom never gets anyone anywhere. There’s a very small extremist fraction of the world that wants America to dissappear.

No doom and gloom here. China, Russia, and North Korea Korea starters. Many other governments are on board to create a new currency in hopes of dissolving the American dollar and crashing our economy
Even if it’s a small extremist group, should we not worry about them coming here?

Thinking that 2 year old data is “old” is a great indicator of thoughtless people who will gobble up whatever rhetoric they think will help make an argument in their favor. It takes years to peer review studies. Anything that isn’t pure raw data should be at least 2 years old. Anyone who is using pure raw data should at least have a masters degree. I would say sorry for this not being relevant to the OP but that ship sailed awhile ago.

Who said it was “old” ? It is dated material and the dates in question are not represented. Did you type this out ?