Remote Learning

  • Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10636
    #2089220

    I don’t know how the Kids do it.
    I’m taking my Contractors CE online and it is boring the He!! out of me.
    I usually sit in the front row with my hand up (yup, im that guy) now the mute button is on. You can type in a question but by the time you type and submit he’s 2 questions down the road.

    The only good thing is I get to catch up on all the IDO stuff.

    There has to be some long term negative affects from this on our children.

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    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 12084
    #2089226

    thats a really nice setup you have in your ice shack!!!!!!! devil rotflol

    i have a cousin who is a teacher…….she absolutely hates it. she feels she needs to be in front of physical bodies to do her job right!!!!!!!

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10636
    #2089231

    I wish.
    Life’s been such a whirlwind that I haven’t seen the inside of my shack yet this season. bawling

    mark-bruzek
    Two Harbors, MN
    Posts: 3875
    #2089234

    I can tell you first-hand there is a MAJOR loss in student…
    -Learning
    -Responsibility
    – Structure
    – Behavior

    Bearcat89
    North branch, mn
    Posts: 20815
    #2089236

    I can tell you first-hand there is a MAJOR loss in student…
    -Learning
    -Responsibility
    – Structure
    – Behavior

    100 percent. My son struggled the last 2 years at home learning. It’s hard to watch. And hard to help when I don’t know how to do it all either.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 23371
    #2089240

    100 percent. My son struggled the last 2 years at home learning. It’s hard to watch. And hard to help when I don’t know how to do it all either.

    My 2 school aged kids struggled mightily last year, but thankfully they are back to in person and doing great again.

    KP
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 1423
    #2089242

    I for one can’t stand remote learning/classes. I thought it would be great 10 years ago to do online classes while in colloge. Lets just say I struggled big time and did way better in my classes that were in person.

    Last year I started a new job and had to do all my trainings through zoom. It also was a huge struggle for me and took me awhile to get the hang of things. For me I’m way better doing classes and trainings in person.

    lindyrig79
    Forest Lake / Lake Mille Lacs
    Posts: 5949
    #2089250

    Remote learning is terrible for children. Hope we never go back to that, short of very temporary and isolated situations.

    Eelpoutguy
    Farmington, Outing
    Posts: 10636
    #2089263

    Remote learning is terrible for children. Hope we never go back to that, short of very temporary and isolated situations.

    Just saw this in the paper –

    “With schools having as high as 25% of their staff members out, it is not possible to sustain ordinary, in-person operations for the short term,” the Osseo School District said.
    More Twin Cities area schools go to remote learning as virus rises
    More Twin Cities area schools are moving to distance learning after outbreaks of COVID-19 spurred high numbers of student absences and staffing shortages.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 23371
    #2089267

    Just saw this in the paper –

    “With schools having as high as 25% of their staff members out, it is not possible to sustain ordinary, in-person operations for the short term,” the Osseo School District said.
    More Twin Cities area schools go to remote learning as virus rises
    More Twin Cities area schools are moving to distance learning after outbreaks of COVID-19 spurred high numbers of student absences and staffing shortages.

    My wife said there will be 16 teachers in her school out Friday of the 50 teachers in the building. Some are covid related, but there are others that are vacation, etc. They are having a real difficult time finding subs. She herself had been out for like 8 weeks because she dislocated and broke her ankle. Since she had to be non-weight bearing during that time they wouldnt allow her to come back, which was dumb because she is SPED and the kids come to her. In the end they were begging her to come back because they were struggling with finding people to help. She went back last Thursday and she has been working long days and going in on weekends to get things caught up.

    Matthew Sandys
    Posts: 373
    #2089268

    Try being a shop teacher and teach Distance Learning….Ya almost impossible.
    Most of the kids don’t take classes for computer work or worksheets to keep them busy. They are there for hands-on learning.

    Dan Baker
    Posts: 943
    #2089272

    I’m a teacher in Osseo district, we just went remote. It is not ideal, and that’s for sure. The kids are sad, the teachers are frustrated and burnt out, the parents are at their wits end. I don’t know what we could really do about it though. With being required to follow the quarentine guidelines and with nearly 25% of the staff in quarentine, there simply aren’t enough people to supervise all the classrooms, let alone teach. My team mate had 50% of her class absent yesterday. It’s bananas.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 23371
    #2089274

    Try being a shop teacher and teach Distance Learning….Ya almost impossible.
    Most of the kids don’t take classes for computer work or worksheets to keep them busy. They are there for hands-on learning.

    My buddy is a technology teacher. Last year when they were remote learning he had kids that were running heavy equipment while listening in class and one kid was ice fishing. He could see all of them and didnt mind provided they were participating and not getting behind on their work. The kid that was ice fishing actually caught an 8 pound walleye while in class! LOL I thought it was hilarious as did he, but when he told the principal about how he wanted to talk to the local paper the principal wasnt impressed LOL
    He said surprisingly he got some of the best participation and the kids didnt really struggle which really surprising to me. Otherwise I cannot imagine how the teachers did it. My wife was home, with me and two kids distance and that was a nightmare last year.

    gim
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17834
    #2089275

    I’m a teacher in Osseo district, we just went remote. It is not ideal, and that’s for sure. The kids are sad, the teachers are frustrated and burnt out, the parents are at their wits end. I don’t know what we could really do about it though. With being required to follow the quarentine guidelines and with nearly 25% of the staff in quarentine, there simply aren’t enough people to supervise all the classrooms, let alone teach. My team mate had 50% of her class absent yesterday. It’s bananas.

    Good post Dan. You live it, and its good to see why it has to happen sometimes even though we can all agree its not beneficial.

    BigWerm
    SW Metro
    Posts: 11889
    #2089277

    Online CE should be considered a form of torture rotflol . And I agree on the schools, I’m very glad my kids are too young to have to deal with all of that.

    Dan Baker
    Posts: 943
    #2089278

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Matthew Sandys wrote:</div>
    Try being a shop teacher and teach Distance Learning….Ya almost impossible.
    Most of the kids don’t take classes for computer work or worksheets to keep them busy. They are there for hands-on learning.

    My buddy is a technology teacher. Last year when they were remote learning he had kids that were running heavy equipment while listening in class and one kid was ice fishing. He could see all of them and didnt mind provided they were participating and not getting behind on their work. The kid that was ice fishing actually caught an 8 pound walleye while in class! LOL I thought it was hilarious as did he, but when he told the principal about how he wanted to talk to the local paper the principal wasnt impressed LOL
    He said surprisingly he got some of the best participation and the kids didnt really struggle which really surprising to me. Otherwise I cannot imagine how the teachers did it. My wife was home, with me and two kids distance and that was a nightmare last year.

    I actually did some remote teaching from my Otter last year. The kids loved it. They were super invested in the lesson and were really engaged.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 23371
    #2089286

    I actually did some remote teaching from my Otter last year. The kids loved it. They were super invested in the lesson and were really engaged.

    Right, it wasnt ALL bad, but from a emotional standpoint it really put a strain on the kids and those that were already struggling REALLY took a hit. I admire all who went through it because it certainly was a struggle.

    slough
    Posts: 593
    #2089289

    I’m a HS teacher, and yes remote learning really doesn’t work. It works ok for certain kids, typically highly motivated ones (HS) but still they lose a lot from no hands-on activities or social interaction. When we were full distance during the spring of 2020, I’m going to estimate that 35% of the kids did next to nothing. Obviously it was sprung upon them and the school wasn’t really ready for it but there was little engagement from the kids and little we could do to hold them accountable (they basically forgave all the grades that semester). We’d call home and little would improve. When we were doing full distance our administration’s suggestion was that you plan to accomplish 50% of what you would in-person. I would say that’s accurate, probably even on the high side and of course that number drops for more at-risk kids.
    Last year in our district, kids had the choice of doing hybrid or full distance and I’d estimate that 2/3 of the kids who did full distance were at-risk kids who really don’t like school or really struggle. Of course that often goes hand in hand with having a tough home life. Of course, most of those kids did next to nothing all year. It was sad to see. Again, nothing much we could do.

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 23371
    #2089293

    Last year in our district, kids had the choice of doing hybrid or full distance and I’d estimate that 2/3 of the kids who did full distance were at-risk kids who really don’t like school or really struggle. Of course that often goes hand in hand with having a tough home life. Of course, most of those kids did next to nothing all year. It was sad to see. Again, nothing much we could do.

    That’s tough! Many teachers, such as yourself and like my wife, take such pride in their work and were very frustrated to see kids struggling with next to nothing they could do to help. She treats every kid like they were her own and they adore her. It was so hard on her not being able to interact with her kids face to face and the kids really suffered too. She did have some really hilarious stories though from things that happened.

    Matthew Sandys
    Posts: 373
    #2089297

    It seems like there is not a right answer to all this craziness. Stink that is not a clear-cut answer to help out students, parents, and us all. It has taken a lot out of all of us.

    More fishing to help build morale.

    Dan Baker
    Posts: 943
    #2089303

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dan Baker wrote:</div>
    I actually did some remote teaching from my Otter last year. The kids loved it. They were super invested in the lesson and were really engaged.

    Right, it wasnt ALL bad, but from a emotional standpoint it really put a strain on the kids and those that were already struggling REALLY took a hit. I admire all who went through it because it certainly was a struggle.

    Aabsolutley! There were and are so many kids who are hurt by it. At first we didn’t really know how it would affect them. Now we do. And I don’t want to do it anymore. It’s for sure bad for the vast majority.

    supercat
    Eau Claire, WI
    Posts: 1342
    #2089305

    I’m not pointing fingers at anyone but if the kids are not getting the education they need in the affected year something has to change. If it means kids have to go to school all year to catch up on what they miss its what it is. Also even if schools would have 50% of school staff out it would probably a better education then they would be getting sitting at home doing nothing. Virtual learning is just not the answer for most children. Be the labor great or small do it right or don’t do it at all.

    crappie55369
    Mound, MN
    Posts: 5757
    #2089309

    i agree that kids lose a lot from an emotional and social standpoint but from a purely educational standpoint my kids grades improved last year. Personally i dont think grades showcase a students knowledge on a subject but thats what schools and teachers use so it is what it is.

    Its quite possible that the same kids that would be slacker students in class are the same ones that will be remote and the students who try and care about school will do the same remote. I remember being in school and i never really saw a teacher “break through” all that much to troubled students. it happened sometimes but not very often.

    Kids are a resilient bunch and they adapt – they probably adapt far better than us adults do to change. IMO however the biggest benefit to a K-12 public education is at the social and emotional level. For that reason i hope that my kids district remains open

    Bearcat89
    North branch, mn
    Posts: 20815
    #2089310

    My son is back in school in person. But he has fallen so far behind. Students like him who already struggled were hurt bad by the distance learning. Even with me at home trying to help isn’t enough to catch up. I can’t sit and learn on a computer my self, I would also struggle.

    Crappie it isn’t about being a slacker, it’s about learning in a hands on way. Now that he has fallen behind its next to impossible to catch back up.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11822
    #2089313

    Worst part about this whole Covid thing IMO is the kids. Next Generation. This is not downplaying for those that loss loved ones, as that is horrible.
    However the neglect most school aged kids had the past couple years will no doubt affect some long term. I have seen several stats about depression and suicide shooting through the roof with school age kids. I know several families that have went the private school route to keep there kids in the class room.
    I will be one of them if our district goes back to online.
    Good friend of mine works with troubled kids from Saint Paul and Minneapolis and the stories he has told me are heartbreaking. Some have just given up all together. Some have just left his program and he has no idea where they are.

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8389
    #2089316

    Worst part about this whole Covid thing IMO is the kids. Next Generation. This is not downplaying for those that loss loved ones, as that is horrible.
    However the neglect most school aged kids had the past couple years will no doubt affect some long term. I have seen several stats about depression and suicide shooting through the roof with school age kids. I know several families that have went the private school route to keep there kids in the class room.
    I will be one of them if our district goes back to online.
    Good friend of mine works with troubled kids from Saint Paul and Minneapolis and the stories he has told me are heartbreaking. Some have just given up all together. Some have just left his program and he has no idea where they are.

    Sadly, this had been happening long before Covid in some of these schools. For the most part I think our rural and more supported suburban schools have done well in Minnesota throughout my time here. The largest urban districts continue to face the same problems pre covid/during covid/ and post covid.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11822
    #2089318

    My son is back in school in person. But he has fallen so far behind. Students like him who already struggled were hurt bad by the distance learning. Even with me at home trying to help isn’t enough to catch up. I can’t sit and learn on a computer my self, I would also struggle.

    Crappie it isn’t about being a slacker, it’s about learning in a hands on way. Now that he has fallen behind its next to impossible to catch back up.

    I would also add that so many kids need the structure of school. There are thousands of kids that don’t have any form of structure at home and school is the only thing they have.
    I feel for ya BC as I am more of a hands learning person as well.

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8389
    #2089319

    I’m not pointing fingers at anyone but if the kids are not getting the education they need in the affected year something has to change. If it means kids have to go to school all year to catch up on what they miss its what it is. Also even if schools would have 50% of school staff out it would probably a better education then they would be getting sitting at home doing nothing. Virtual learning is just not the answer for most children. Be the labor great or small do it right or don’t do it at all.

    Before asking why schools don’t stay open with 50% of their staff healthy/available…please go take a walk into your local public school. The teachers who are there healthy are not universal parts that can teach every grade level, different subject, while cooking lunches, driving busses, etc. This issue isn’t going away with Covid. Covid will be gone long before school staffing shortages. Administrators, School Boards, and Legislators better get in front of the issues now (but seem to not be).

    The biggest issue even when schools stay “open” is that so many staff are gone many kids are doing “remote learning” anyways. They’re zooming in to their teacher who is out with Covid while sitting in a library, study hall room, etc. It’s essentially still “remote learning” while sitting in a school building. The only real pro to this is that at least parents aren’t forced to be home too. There isn’t a perfect answer. All I care is that schools try to do what they can with the resources they have and I as a parent will continue to work my a** off to fill in gaps and be optimistic.

    crappie55369
    Mound, MN
    Posts: 5757
    #2089324

    Crappie it isn’t about being a slacker, it’s about learning in a hands on way. Now that he has fallen behind its next to impossible to catch back up.

    I didnt mean to imply that every kid that struggles with remote learning is a slacker and every kid that does well is the opposite. Far from it – and i apologize if my statement was taken in such a way. Obviously every kid is gonna respond to situations differently. I hope your son is able to rebound. From reading your posts over the years it sounds as though he has inherited your work ethic so im sure he will keep working hard and wont give up

    tim hurley
    Posts: 5851
    #2089329

    If you don’t know what to do and they are young sit with them and read, sound out words, ask questions about the text, the brain has an optimal window for this and it begins to close around the 3rd grade.

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