Red Lake Walleye at Cub Foods

Was what I said wrong, or was how you interpreted it wrong, or maybe a combination of both?

I often find I can’t put into my written words the point i’m trying to make. This might be one of those times.

You’ll never see the Red lake band prosper by any so called indian casinos. Why??? Because indian casinos are just a front ran by the italian mafia. I hope I can see another day now with that being said.

Mike Stephens wrote:

You’ll never see the Red lake band prosper by any so called indian casinos. Why??? Because indian casinos are just a front ran by the italian mafia. I hope I can see another day now with that being said.

Don’t even get me started on the casinos. It’s common knowledge to the enlightened that the Russians have been funding the North Koreans in order to control the Italian mafia in an effort to gain control of the MN native run casinos.

When you follow the revenue stream from the tribes up the chain it’s irrelevant who it passes through when that money eventually is used to fund the direct descendants of Stalin, in a long term ploy to occupy indian reservations in MN.

This of course goes back to that fateful day the treaties were signed, the US representatives in those negotiations were working with Russian leaders from day one. It’s just sad that most can’t see the multiple century long plot to take over the US from the most strategic military positions in the country(Red Lake Reservation, Mille Lacs, etc).

The closest descendant to those US representatives who signed the treaties that’s alive today? Donald Trump. If people would just open their eyes they’d see it plain as day.

The Treaty of 1854, signed by all the Chippewa Tribes in Minnesota, except the Red Lake Band of Chippewa, clearly established the fact that Red Lake was considered a separate and distinct nation by the United States Government. Each Indian Tribe began its relationship with the United States Government as a sovereign power; recognized by such in Treaty and legislation.

Well now that that is settled…I’ll be heading up to Mille Lacs tomorrow for the long holiday weekend. Thinking how I might enjoy some tasty fried walleye fillets after fishing for Mille Lacs walleyes. Thanks for bringing this topic up Dave, $9.99 a pound is a pretty good price. I’ll be swinging into CUB tonight for some walleye fillets and some No Name steaks…

slipbob_nick wrote:

I wouldn’t buy it, but wouldn’t be offended either.

my personal opinion if a guy is worried about how the money is used and what not don’t go to the casino.

Thats only one source of tribal money and two others are the State Minnesota and the Federal Bureau of Indian Affairs.

From walleyestudent
“They do…Seven Clans Casino in the town of Red lake, however not many go there. Wonder why?

To clarify the Red Lake Band actually has 3 casino’s One in Red Lake, one in Thief River Falls and one in Warroad and the parking lots have plenty of business.

I get very frustrated when I see the attitudes on both sides. I don’t dislike the natives, and they shouldn’t dislike me.

My ancestors came from Finland nearly 100 yrs ago. They never pushed any race to a reservation, never owned a slave, but were non-English speaking immigrants who worked for a better life. They and I owe no single race anything! My ancestors came with the hope of better chances, they found their dreams, and I am living the result. To say the “natives” don’t have the same chances is BS. They are not tied to the Rez or limited. In fact, if they want to improve their standing, they have a better chance than I did, as state aid to get a degree is a little easier to come by if you are of certain races…..

In this day and age, if they are downtrodden, it is nobody’s fault but their own.

Walleyestudent Andy Cox wrote:

I’ll be swinging into CUB tonight for some <strong class=”ido-tag-strong”>walleye fillets and some No Name steaks…

WS, Let me know how you like them No Names. Support my wife’s place of business! Good Minnesota company!

All this talk about walleyes has made me hungry. Just stopped in at Eddie’s for a walleye sandwich

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Timmy wrote:

I get very frustrated when I see the attitudes on both sides. I don’t dislike the natives, and they shouldn’t dislike me.

My ancestors came from Finland nearly 100 yrs ago. They never pushed any race to a reservation, never owned a slave, but were non-English speaking immigrants who worked for a better life. They and I owe no single race anything! My ancestors came with the hope of better chances, they found their dreams, and I am living the result. To say the “natives” don’t have the same chances is BS. They are not tied to the Rez or limited. In fact, if they want to improve their standing, they have a better chance than I did, as state aid to get a degree is a little easier to come by if you are of certain races…..

In this day and age, if they are downtrodden, it is nobody’s fault but their own.

If this is not the most arrogant, pompous, “supremest” attitude. No surprise…Finnish people are white? How long have you had your head buried deep in the sand? Have you heard or learned about discrimination? Do you deny that that it ever existed or still does not today? Equal opportunities, over the last 100 years? 25, 50 years ago a white business owner or manager has to choose between a black, native american, mexican or white job applicant. Who gets the job? White guy!
You are suggesting that a native american has a better chance than you? Why is it that there are less women in positions dominated by white males? Their fault? Ever any discrimination favoring white men over women in the last 100 years? Sure, it’s the women’s fault.
It also was viet nam veterans fault that they were downtrodden.

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Man Andy maybe your the one that better wake up and see the light.

MNdrifter wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Walleyestudent Andy Cox wrote:</div>
I’ll be swinging into CUB tonight for some <strong class=”ido-tag-strong”>walleye fillets and some No Name steaks…

WS, Let me know how you like them No Names. Support my wife’s place of business! Good Minnesota company!

No Name steaks are my all time favorite! Always consistent, tender, juicy with a perfect touch of seasoning. Too many times I have bought steaks from the meat counter, sometimes good…other times I’m spitting out gristle. Never been dissatisfied with No Name steaks. Or any other of their products…love the wild rice meatballs.
Off topic I suppose, back on track…Red Lake walleye and No Name steaks on the menu this weekend at Mille Lacs!

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Without pesonalizing it, I will respond to your accusations.

1) yes. I am white.
2) I won’t dignify that insult.
3) yes, I have heard of discrimination.
4) no, not by a long shot, discrimination is alive and well.
5) for many higher profile job opportunities, currently, minorities will have the edge if all else is equal. Not always, but often enough. HARD WORK can overcome being a victim. Being a victim can be a choice.
6) a native american,(hate that term as I was born here too….)will get 1st dibs on any gov’t funding, scholarships, grants, gov’t jobs, etc….over any white guy. My degrees wer earned both by my performance and by cash I paid. No Indian is deprived of that same opportunity. Period. Perhaps the level of effort to leave there way of life may be harder, but it is a hurdle, not an impassable barrier.
7) this wasn’t a discussion about women or vets, and I won’t go there.

I do not believe in perpetuating being a victim. I did nothing wrong, so I should owe nobody anything. Likewise, I wasn’t wronged, so I have no ill will towards any group. Seriously…I have no ill will. But when I hear “the poor (insert race/group/etc…here) have no chances”….. I don’t buy it. I don’t care if you are white, black, brown, pink, or striped…… earn your keep, take responsibility for your actions, and be well.

Thank you Andy! Somebody gets it.

People growing up in low income areas have ZERO safety net. In a lot of situations they probably don’t even realize that they ‘state aid may be easier to get’. Who’s going to tell them? Their parents who don’t have high school degrees? Guidance counselors in their well funded schools?

I have zero qualms saying that I had it extremely easy growing up. My parents were not extremely wealthy, but we always had food, I didn’t need to work in high school(but did), and had a great education growing up. They helped me apply and secure financial aid for college. I didn’t need it, but had I flunked out of school I could have moved back in with them until I found my bearings(both my siblings did this multiple times).

I contrast that to someone growing up on a reservation or a low-income area like east st. louis or something and it’s not even close. There are kids out there deciding whether to go to high school, get a job, or join a gang/sell drugs to help provide for the rest of their siblings. They have every opportunity I did? Get real.

How are they supposed to know about all the programs available that might help them? Who is telling them about that? The other kids on their block? Their parents who are working three jobs just to try and support their family?

That’s all before any sort of uphill battle they face as a result of discrimination like Andy mentioned.

The amount of effort someone growing up in that situation needs to put forth to get a college degree and an entry level job is exponentially more than someone like myself.

https://wilsonquarterly.com/stories/why-rich-kids-become-rich-adults-and-poor-kids-become-poor-adults/

Here is a definition:
“Discrimination: the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.”

Note – it does not say anything regarding good or bad. It just aays “unjust” – which means not fair….and “predjudicial” which means with prejudice.

It is every bit as discriminatory to pander to a group and give them special treatment as it is to deny them equal rights. I am against BOTH.

Mike Stephens wrote:

Man Andy maybe your the one that better wake up and see the light.

Why would I want to wake up and see the light? When so many of us choose to live in the dark?

You spoke for yourself Andy don’t ever try to put words in my mouth.

Timmy wrote:

7) this wasn’t a discussion about women or vets, and I won’t go there.

I do not believe in perpetuating being a victim. I did nothing wrong, so I should owe nobody anything.

This discussion began not about women or vets OR perpetuating being a victim. You introduced that about the “natives” having the same or better opportunities that you have had. If we go back, how is the Red Lake Nation “perpetuating” being a victim by harvesting and agreeing to a business arrangement to sell their meager product through CUB Foods perpetuating to be a victim? Looks to me like they are trying to accomplish exactly what you are boasting about. “Earn your keep, take responsibility for your actions and be well.”
Red Lake Nation selling walleye through CUB Foods does not appear to be “perpetuating” being a victim here.

DaveB wrote:

I refuse to buy walleye or order it in a restaurant. It rarely tastes as good as fresh from a lake.
I guess part of my question was, should we care enough to express our displeasure on the issue to Cub Foods too?

Could I just ask why you are displeased with walleye that are harvested, sold, and eaten versus walleye that you harvested and ate?

Is the net result not the same? X number of dead fish? Who ate them is irrelevant to the fish.

Why is one objectionable and the other not?

Grouse

Because they netted Red dry, the state paid to restock, it matters not a bit that they kicked in some money, then as a slap in the face they started netting again. This could have been any race with any resource and my feelings are the same. If they net Red dry again are you in favor of restocking again?

TheFamousGrouse wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>DaveB wrote:</div>
I refuse to buy walleye or order it in a restaurant. It rarely tastes as good as fresh from a lake.
I guess part of my question was, should we care enough to express our displeasure on the issue to Cub Foods too?

Could I just ask why you are displeased with walleye that are harvested, sold, and eaten versus walleye that you harvested and ate?

Is the net result not the same? X number of dead fish? Who ate them is irrelevant to the fish.

Why is one objectionable and the other not?

Grouse

I think I said it in my post, it just doesn’t taste as good as fresh. If I want a decent, frozen fillet of fish, I will buy Pollock, it tastes as good and is half the price. That said, I do think commercial netting and harvesting is different then catching with a hook and line. For commercial netting, a few people benefit from the resource and with fishing (in theory) many can benefit…especially through catch and release. Also, fishing naturally encourages sustainability. When numbers decline, people move to other lakes and the resource naturally recovers. This isn’t 100% effective, but netting can decimate a resource much faster.

Timmy wrote:

Without pesonalizing it, I will respond to your accusations.

1) yes. I am white.
2) I won’t dignify that insult.
3) yes, I have heard of discrimination.
4) no, not by a long shot, discrimination is alive and well.
5) for many higher profile job opportunities, currently, minorities will have the edge if all else is equal. Not always, but often enough. HARD WORK can overcome being a victim. Being a victim can be a choice.
6) a native american,(hate that term as I was born here too….)will get 1st dibs on any gov’t funding, scholarships, grants, gov’t jobs, etc….over any white guy. My degrees wer earned both by my performance and by cash I paid. No Indian is deprived of that same opportunity. Period. Perhaps the level of effort to leave there way of life may be harder, but it is a hurdle, not an impassable barrier.
7) this wasn’t a discussion about women or vets, and I won’t go there.

I do not believe in perpetuating being a victim. I did nothing wrong, so I should owe nobody anything. Likewise, I wasn’t wronged, so I have no ill will towards any group. Seriously…I have no ill will. But when I hear “the poor (insert race/group/etc…here) have no chances”….. I don’t buy it. I don’t care if you are white, black, brown, pink, or striped…… earn your keep, take responsibility for your actions, and be well.

Timmy!

I get the feeling several on this thread have a real ax to grind….

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PHIL, all I can say is-

Fight, fight, left vs right.

suzuki wrote:

Fight, fight, left vs right.

Next up:

Vikings/Packers
Ford/Chevy
Trump/Clinton 2020
Savoys/Cossettas
Walleye/Bass

They do…Seven Clans Casino in the town of Red lake, however not many go there. Wonder why?

Thanks for the clarification. I learned something!

philtickelson wrote:

https://wilsonquarterly.com/stories/why-rich-kids-become-rich-adults-and-poor-kids-become-poor-adults/

That article was a waste of 30seconds.

Agreed it’s the commies though, red flag with red nation…. coincidence I think not

Dutchboy wrote:

Because they netted Red dry, the state paid to restock, it matters not a bit that they kicked in some money, then as a slap in the face they started netting again. This could have been any race with any resource and my feelings are the same. If they net Red dry again are you in favor of restocking again?

^^^agreed, sometimes you just need to be blunt to get the point across

Crappies get stuck in those nets? Whatever happened to the time one could fill buckets with slabs….