Red lake reservation

I do my best not to change minds Adam, although my aggressive writing gets the best of me at times. Clarity is the goal.

Greatly appreciate the biz bud, the remodel looked great.

Well might as add leach to the list, the tribe has been buying up land around the lake crazy.

David Anderson wrote:

Deuces,

Very well articulated, thank you.

x10! Thank you Deuces for sharing and not taking anything from this thread personally. We dont hold anything against the natives and I would break bread with anyone and not think twice. I dont ever look at skin color or background and think they are lessor than me. I wish more would do the same especially the elected officials.

I am no expert but I know more today than several days ago. It looks like land was ceded from Red Lake Indian Reservation in 1889 and again in 1904. The eastern boundary which would include the complete section of Upper was in 1904.

Looks like the tribe already went to court to establish hunting and fishing rights to the land boundaries of these ceded lands and lost. Based on this I would guess that our state of Minnesota won’t touch it even if they could. I would guess that the only way that they would be successful would be at the Supreme court level.

I think the natives are still salty that they can’t net the tamarack in the spring. the upper part of the lake is perfect for nets unlike the lower lake. OOPS….bad negotiating i guess?

Casinos might seem like a great idea, but I got to see first hand how detrimental they are to people and the native culture.

I grew up near a reservation and went to school with a lot of native kids. We regularly had Pow-wows (a few times each year) at school in the gymnasium or outside if it was nice out.

In middle school we even had a dedicated half-semester class for learning about the Ojibwe history and cultural ways.

In my year class growing up we had just over 100 kids, about 10 of which were natives. I was friends with a few of them and partied on the rez a few times (didn’t tell mom that lol)

They were all part of the tribe that runs Turtle Lake Casino. Once they turned 18, all but one of them dropped out of school

It was too bad, for the most part they were pretty good kids who could have made it in the world on their own.

There was one native kid a couple years younger than me that I never got along with (lots to that story I won’t share here), but he was truly a bad apple.

A few years after high school he murdered his uncle on the rez, and as far as I know he’s still in prison.

If you give people free money and little motivation you’re asking for trouble, regardless of what color or ethnicity you are.

I haven’t run into any of the native kids from my class in years, but hope they’ve all made great lives for themselves.

OG Net_Man wrote:

I am no expert but I know more today than several days ago. It looks like land was ceded from Red Lake Indian Reservation in 1889 and again in 1904. The eastern boundary which would include the complete section of Upper was in 1904.

Looks like the tribe already went to court to establish hunting and fishing rights to the land boundaries of these ceded lands and lost. Based on this I would guess that our state of Minnesota won’t touch it even if they could. I would guess that the only way that they would be successful would be at the Supreme court level.

With Minnesota turning more and more into Minnefornia I think the Red Lake band is counting on a reperations mindset from the state and the courts.

B-man wrote:

If you give people free money and little motivation you’re asking for trouble, regardless of what color or ethnicity you are.

There’s lots of folks who bring in free money. Think of all the trust fund babies who receive a healthy stipend, anyone here get inheritance, family land, retirement assets, does any of these turn folks less motivated? The large large majority no, because they were given a solid foundation of life skills and habits to utilize that money, and in some cases use it to their advantage and make it grow.

The average monthly take from the natives I know are anywhere from $400-800, congratulations the tribe just paid for the family grocery bill, that does not equate to full on living expenses in the world rn. Sure they get some dough after graduation, which probably is around the same amount that a typical high school grad party would. Xmas bonuses, nothing more than a grand, most of these #’s were precovid so they could be off. Again, overall very lil, nothing that would make someone be able to kick up their feet at the end of a day have a toast to their casino and say thanks for all the dough I’m living pretty good.

They may also get some free housing on the rez itself for certain tribes, but according to a 2010 census only 30% of natives actually live on the rez to recieve those benefits. That’s a pretty big percentage left not to be taking any further “free money”.

All in all the free money arguement intrinsically causing all the issues that natives struggle with day to day just needs to go away IMHO. Numbers and the logic dont add up for me.

Sidenote- the Shakopee tribe is a unicorn, and is not the norm whatsoever and shouldn’t be included in discussion for the majority of reservations. If anything just further proves that modern tribalism lives strong everywhere.