Recent experience at Supreme Marine

  • pool2fool
    Inactive
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 1709
    #1784717

    Short version: I waited a full month for a tune-up they told me would take 1 week. I repeatedly requested to be contacted with an estimate before proceeding, and never received any communication at any point until they called to say it was done. Bill was twice what I expected. I expect the work will be done well as they’ve never made mistakes on any of my stuff. But their scheduling and customer service is going to have me trying a new shop next time.

    Long version: Dropped off my 1960’s 6hp Merc to Supreme Marine on Thurs 6/7. Symptoms were the motor started up great and revved right up but would always bog down and kill. I asked them to check the carb and fuel pump out. When asked how long at that time it was “next week.” I also said given the age of the motor that I wasn’t looking to spend a big chunk of change. I requested that they follow up with an estimate so I could weigh my options, etc.

    After hearing nothing I called in on Friday 6/22 and they apologized, said they’d been slammed, and that my motor would be looked “in the next day or two.” I’m patient enough, no problem. I stress again my approach and ask for them to call me with an estimate when they get to it.

    After more silence I call back on Monday 7/2. They still haven’t even looked at it. I learn that the owner is the only one who works on older motors and he gets to them “when he can.” I talk to the owner and he promises he’s working on it first thing the next day. At this point I don’t really believe him, so I get off work a few minutes early and pay him a visit in the store. My plan at this point is to just take it home with me since I assume he hasn’t started on it yet.

    To my surprise he’s got my motor on his bench. At this point he’s adjusted the spark and replaced some mounts to prevent a minor exhaust build-up under the cowling. The spark thing, I get it, but he should’ve called me before he started macgyvering cowling mounts on a 50-year-old duck boat motor at $110/hour. Anyway, he promises me that he’s really close, all he thinks is a quick carb clean so I leave it there. He says he’s coming in the next morning (4th of July) to finish and will call me then.

    More silence til Sat 7/7, owner calls me just before shop close to let me know the motor’s done and running great. He leaves a voicemail and he says “I figured I would’ve heard from you by now” as if it’s my duty as a customer to call him and check on my motor every day.

    I go down to Supreme on my lunch hour to pick up my motor. I look at the bill and my eyes get a little big. Turns out he opted to rebuild the entire carb, again without touching base with me to give an estimate or get approval to do the work. The cost of the total parts and labor ($289) wasn’t crazy for what he did, that’s not my issue. My issue is that it’s simply more than I wanted to spend on a 50-year-old motor. And I repeatedly stressed a cautious approach and requested approval the final plan, only to never receive a single phone call at any point, except for the “it’s done” call, al full month later.

    I was polite but expressed my displeasure with the situation and suggested that they knock $100 off the labor bill. The owner reluctantly agreed and said “It’s running great, don’t bring it back here again.”

    Bottom line — I’m confident the motor will run great. The quality of work has never been a question in my 5 years of being a customer at supreme (tune-ups, impeller change, prop reconditioning, etc.). But everything else was absolute crap on this experience, and the majority of it boils down to honest, open communication:

    1. You only have one mechanic who works on old motors? Tell the customer that!

    2. The realistic time table is 4 weeks? Tell the customer that?

    3. The repair is going to cost as much as the motor is worth? Tell the customer that!

    4. You don’t really want to work on old motors cuz they’re more trouble than they’re worth? Fine, tell the customer that before he leaves his motor with you and loses a month of prime season.

    chased

    Dutchboy
    Central Mn.
    Posts: 16658
    #1784723

    Examples like this is why I always wish they had a “times viewed” counter on the threads here. That way you could always direct the owner to follow along.

    If he actually said this “It’s running great, don’t bring it back here again.” in those words……….I’d never darken his doorway again. It was him & his people that couldn’t remember to call with a quote, not you.

    pool2fool
    Inactive
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 1709
    #1784727

    If he actually said this “It’s running great, don’t bring it back here again.” in those words……….I’d never darken his doorway again. It was him & his people that couldn’t remember to call with a quote, not you.

    I’m combining 2 sentences but those were pretty near his exact words. It was in response to my request to take $100 off the bill that he said “fine, but don’t bring it back here again.”

    Matt Moen
    South Minneapolis
    Posts: 4294
    #1784731

    Frustrating experience for sure. It’s summer and busy and all that but as a business owner all you need to do is communicate with your customers. Most reasonable people will understand if you keep them informed.

    I’ve been using Dan’s Southside for the last couple of years since it’s only about 5 miles from home. I’ve heard mixed reviews (from others) on them but they have been great to work with. When the windshield busted on my boat last weekend I called them at 2:45 Saturday afternoon just to see if they could get the parts. The parts guy wasn’t sure but said he would make a couple of calls and get back to me….they close at 3:00. He called me back right at 3:00 to let me know they could get them and bring the boat down when it worked and they would get right on it. They’ll even work with State Farm on the claim ppwk. I assumed he would call me back today so I was pretty surprised at the service….that will keep me as a loyal customer.

    mwal
    Rosemount,MN
    Posts: 1050
    #1784732

    I take all my small outboards TO Steve Hansen outboards in Northfield MN. He only works on old motors and has kept my 77 9.9 running great. My last repair he gave estimate when dropped off and is very close to that figure. He will honestly tell you if its not worth fixing.

    Mwal

    pool2fool
    Inactive
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 1709
    #1784737

    Thanks guys. Honestly I need to learn to do more of this stuff myself. In this case I’ve just been busy this summer and I figured I’d splurge and let someone else get theirs hands full of gas on this one. I mean heck, I could’ve paid $20 for a carb rebuild kit and procrastinated all month on my own jester

    pool2fool
    Inactive
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 1709
    #1784780

    As expected the motor is tip-top. It will scoot my little boat along nicely. Giving credit where due on the work itself. It idles nice and low, consistent from trolling speed to wot, returns back down to idle nicely. Started on second pull.

    basseyes
    Posts: 2513
    #1784830

    Thanks guys. Honestly I need to learn to do more of this stuff myself. In this case I’ve just been busy this summer and I figured I’d splurge and let someone else get theirs hands full of gas on this one. I mean heck, I could’ve paid $20 for a carb rebuild kit and procrastinated all month on my own jester

    Don’t learn to do too much or you’ll be working on other people’s stuff and have no time to fish.

    Deleted
    Posts: 959
    #1784833

    I can’t even get my dealer, where I bought the boat 2 yrs ago, to return my calls or messages requesting a price quote for installing a new stereo in our boat. Been about a month and at least 3 attempts by me. We bought the boat brand new in new Richmond, WI. I guess I feel lucky now. I’ll put the stereo in myself. They’ve already lost me.

    nhamm
    Inactive
    Robbinsdale
    Posts: 7348
    #1784835

    Big bummer man. Looks like you need to make up for lost time.

    pool2fool
    Inactive
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 1709
    #1784836

    Big bummer man. Looks like you need to make up for lost time.

    I actually stayed active this last month with just the electric, hit 5 different bodies of water. I feel like I have all kinds of ideas now.

    FishBlood&RiverMud
    Prescott
    Posts: 6687
    #1784907

    I almost don’t want to share this.

    I do my boat repairs at Roberds Marine. Nothing bad to say about their work.

    After I make a call and they explain they’re backed up for weeks usually all it takes is “I’m Andy, I always pay cash and tip very well because you move me to the top of your list, remember me”

    Roberds “ok, bring it in tomorrow”

    This isn’t the cheapest option to get a boat repaired but it is the fastest. I always tip 25-50% of the bill. Summer or winter. Hurts less than not having a functional boat.

    They understand the importance of a working boat if you understand the cost of budging in line.

    Nobody gets an expedite for free and every expedite pushes back someone who paid cost.

    Even when they’re not backed up in January, they get a tip to help justify moving me up the line when they are busy.
    Mechanic getting a tip is not common. They remember.

    FishBlood&RiverMud
    Prescott
    Posts: 6687
    #1784911

    A few years back I had sj Hansen (Steve) repair two outboards over a holiday weekend.

    Sometimes to get lucky.

    I referred a co-worker to him two weeks ago, the response he got was to bring it in, in the fall tongue

    I’d like to think a little cash could’ve changed the timetable.

    Pool2fool.

    When I ran a boat with a smaller outboard, I had a backup outboard in the garage ;)

    Chris Messerschmidt
    Minnesota
    Posts: 615
    #1784922

    Stories like this is why I stick with Skeeter Boat Center.. I could care less about the brand I own or buy in the future, but SBC takes care of me and others no matter the product. To me that’s a huge plus, and for that reason is why I would not hesitate to buy another boat from them and why I will only go there for service.

    pool2fool
    Inactive
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 1709
    #1784923

    I almost don’t want to share this.

    I do my boat repairs at Roberds Marine. Nothing bad to say about their work.

    After I make a call and they explain they’re backed up for weeks usually all it takes is “I’m Andy, I always pay cash and tip very well because you move me to the top of your list, remember me”

    Roberds “ok, bring it in tomorrow”

    This isn’t the cheapest option to get a boat repaired but it is the fastest. I always tip 25-50% of the bill. Summer or winter. Hurts less than not having a functional boat.

    They understand the importance of a working boat if you understand the cost of budging in line.

    Nobody gets an expedite for free and every expedite pushes back someone who paid cost.

    Even when they’re not backed up in January, they get a tip to help justify moving me up the line when they are busy.
    Mechanic getting a tip is not common. They remember.

    If they would’ve told me it’d be 4 weeks up front I could’ve accepted that and acted accordingly. Probably not by offering a bribe, but by taking it elsewhere or just doing it myself.

    You gotta do what works for you, but I don’t think the cash bribe is really the right thing to do for me. It doesn’t feel quite right that the mechanic is so easily convinced to delay/inconvenience other paying customers. If they do that they should advertise rush service at an elevated price and be transparent with customers about this option. Just my 2 cents.

    At any rate — if I’d have offered a 50% tip on top of this bill I would’ve paid $450 to have a 50-year old 6hp motor tuned up. Not worth it no matter the speed. At that price I’m nearly halfway to a gently used later model 4-stroke of similar power doah

    FishBlood&RiverMud
    Prescott
    Posts: 6687
    #1784927

    It doesn’t feel quite right that the mechanic is so easily convinced to delay/inconvenience other paying customers

    Most boat owners aren’t inconvenienced by a delay. Most folks rarely use it. Hence the lack of repair shops.

    If people drove boats like they do cars there’d be a Marine mechanic on every block.

    These mechanics might like to keep the business of the person using their boat 200 days a year. They know I’m not waiting for them to finish fixing boats that don’t get used.

    I’ve never once accepted a “about a week” repair on anything.

    onestout
    Hudson, WI
    Posts: 2698
    #1784928

    Almost every business will expedite for a fee and doesn’t mean that someone else is getting pushed back. Most of the time when I have expedited projects they go to the employees to see who wants to work overtime with no interruption to the current production schedule. All you have to do ask, worst they can say is no, or you say no to the fee.

    FishBlood&RiverMud
    Prescott
    Posts: 6687
    #1784931

    I wouldn’t call it a bribe either, more so paying for service.

    Remember, there’s a large dead season for Marine mechanic. They can’t run a large skilled staff 4 months of the year during peak season and expect that skilled staff come back next spring.

    Market drives the business. Business staffs for a year end profit and that means they cannot keep up with the peak season.

    You cannot inventory boat repairs for the busy season like you can air conditioners. The a/c manufacturer is making the same amount of units in January as they are in August. Not true with outboard mechanics

    pool2fool
    Inactive
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 1709
    #1784932

    Like I said, to each his own. But these 2 statements contradict eachother nicely:

    Nobody gets an expedite for free and every expedite pushes back someone who paid cost.

    Almost every business will expedite for a fee and doesn’t mean that someone else is getting pushed back.

    To me, you’re just saying — well my boat is more important to me than these other guys’ boats are to them. Even though you actually have no idea who else has their boat in for repair at that time. Maybe you’re bumping a guy who won’t get his boat fixed in time for his father/son fishing trip. Why? Because you’re special and money talks!

    Sorry, just not the way I do things.

    FishBlood&RiverMud
    Prescott
    Posts: 6687
    #1784938

    Lol

    Mama used to tell me life ain’t fair. Get over it.

    Money talks.

    Walleyestudent Andy Cox
    Garrison MN-Mille Lacs
    Posts: 4484
    #1784939

    My last experience was somewhat opposite. My Merc would tilt up, but not back down. Also wanted some other work done as well.

    Called Lyback’s in Isle and was told a 2 week turnaround, which was cutting it close for my planned week of fishing. By the time I drove up there a couple days later to get my boat and take it in, Eddy Lyback said the turnaround was now 4 weeks. Needless to say I was disappointed big time. Would be too late for my week of vacation.

    Not much I could say other than “well do the best you can”, Eddy just nodded his head. Well to my utter surprise (and delight), they called back 2 weeks later and said it was all ready to pick up. Not sure if that is how they operate…to give a turnaround time frame longer than they expect to get the work done, but it was a simple strategy to make me a satisfied customer.

    FishBlood&RiverMud
    Prescott
    Posts: 6687
    #1784941

    To me, you’re just saying — well my “…” is more important to me than these other guys’

    Says every customer to every supplier! )

    trophy19
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 1206
    #1784943

    Can’t beat Crystal Marine in Robbinsdale for older motors. The shop is full of ’em and they do great work at a very fair price. Make an appt. and you can drop your boat off that morning and pick up that afternoon as they don’t have a lot of room. Not the place to take a 300hp Verado, but excellent at what they do.

    pool2fool
    Inactive
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 1709
    #1784944

    Lol

    Mama used to tell me life ain’t fair. Get over it.

    Money talks.

    I’m not whining about being treated unfairly in any way. I’m simply saying, while acknowledging your right to a differing opinion, that this mindset is not for me. Period. Agree to disagree, I’m not trying to change your mind here.

    My momma taught me some lessons too. Some goofy stuff about respect for my fellow humans. She also taught me what narcissism was and told me to avoid that trap at all costs.

    Says every customer to every supplier! )

    No. You’re absolutely wrong here. I do not approach life this way and there are many others like me. The world does not revolve around me and my time is no more valuable than the next customer’s. You don’t have to live life like this, but it you think the whole world shares your approach, you’re just wrong.

    pool2fool
    Inactive
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 1709
    #1784962

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>trophy19 wrote:</div>
    Can’t beat Crystal Marine in Robbinsdale for older motors.

    I think you mean Robbinsdale Marine.

    Thanks for the tip. Ironically I had (past tense) Roberts Marine next on my list as I’ve heard they are old Merc experts. Despite the drive from where I live, I would’ve given them a chance. Robbinsdale would be closer so I’ll put it on the list if the ol’ girl acts up again. Although I thought they were a Johnson/Evinrude shop?

    My last experience was somewhat opposite. My Merc would tilt up, but not back down. Also wanted some other work done as well.

    Called Lyback’s in Isle and was told a 2 week turnaround, which was cutting it close for my planned week of fishing. By the time I drove up there a couple days later to get my boat and take it in, Eddy Lyback said the turnaround was now 4 weeks. Needless to say I was disappointed big time. Would be too late for my week of vacation.

    Not much I could say other than “well do the best you can”, Eddy just nodded his head. Well to my utter surprise (and delight), they called back 2 weeks later and said it was all ready to pick up. Not sure if that is how they operate…to give a turnaround time frame longer than they expect to get the work done, but it was a simple strategy to make me a satisfied customer.

    Awesome. I’ve heard nothing but positives about Lybeck’s, just a little drive for me. Don’t know if he planned it that way, but either way — great business to under-promise and over-deliver in my opinion.

    FishBlood&RiverMud
    Prescott
    Posts: 6687
    #1784985

    No worries. No feelings hurt and I was not trying to hurt yours either. Moreso offering an option for a different experience next time.

    When a customer is a business and not a person it isn’t narcissism, it is business Darwinism. My customer comment more related to a business, though it is not common for people to look much past their own pain when they’re feeling some.

    What would a guide do? (Business) Wait on the repair and cancel all clientele? Spend money for a second boat so they are prepared in advance of a breakdown? Contract repairman to a short lead time?

    Lots of options if it is your free time. Less if it is your business.

    Most my expedited repairs were to keep a promised fishing date with a friend, or even an ido member going with me to catch their first sturgeon. Turns out I take a lot of people fishing.

    trophy19
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 1206
    #1785133

    RW-
    Yup – Robbinsdale Marine – my mistake.

    Get your Tahoe running?

    Pete

    pool2fool
    Inactive
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 1709
    #1785136

    @trophy19

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>trophy19 wrote:</div>
    Get your Tahoe running?

    Yep. They shoehorned the “new” motor into it and had me running within a couple days.

    You must’ve offered a nice bribe to get that kind of service devil

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