Quitting your job

  • buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8167
    #2088050

    Yeah someone missed the boat on the education angle. It wouldn’t matter Union, non union, etc…supply and demand of labor in education is showing that people don’t want to get 4 year degrees to deal with today’s youth for 40-50k a year. Schools should be happy there are unions in MN. In the “open market” of WI teachers are dictating their terms and making more money than ever as the 1 qualified applicant for many openings. Try finding a male elementary teacher with experience today. Try finding a special education teacher or a bilingual teacher. In all honesty teachers unions in MN are probably keeping wages down with their salary grids in the current situation. The supply of workers is that low.

    Bearcat89
    North branch, mn
    Posts: 20354
    #2088063

    Yeah someone missed the boat on the education angle. It wouldn’t matter Union, non union, etc…supply and demand of labor in education is showing that people don’t want to get 4 year degrees to deal with today’s youth for 40-50k a year. Schools should be happy there are unions in MN. In the “open market” of WI teachers are dictating their terms and making more money than ever as the 1 qualified applicant for many openings. Try finding a male elementary teacher with experience today. Try finding a special education teacher or a bilingual teacher. In all honesty teachers unions in MN are probably keeping wages down with their salary grids in the current situation. The supply of workers is that low.

    Did these people go to school for teaching degrees not knowing the pay? I’m pretty sure I new teachers got paid squat when I was still in school. I dont get the idea of going to school and then not wanting to work in the field when the degree isn’t all that’s cracked out to be.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11586
    #2088067

    I dunno 50k for 8 months of work isn’t complete squat. Would be closer to 75k for 12 months of work. I know several people in education that make more than 40-50k
    Not going to be rich but pretty sure anyone going into that field kind of know that going in.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17379
    #2088102

    I dunno 50k for 8 months of work isn’t complete squat. Would be closer to 75k for 12 months of work. I know several people in education that make more than 40-50k
    Not going to be rich but pretty sure anyone going into that field kind of know that going in.

    Totally. Probably dependent on what school district you work in too. Metro area districts generally get a higher salary than rural districts.

    The selling point for me is having the summer off, every holiday, spring break, MEA, and winter break.

    When my Father retired from teaching after 35 years, summer time wasn’t any different than it was during his career.

    buckybadger
    Upper Midwest
    Posts: 8167
    #2088112

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>buckybadger wrote:</div>
    Yeah someone missed the boat on the education angle. It wouldn’t matter Union, non union, etc…supply and demand of labor in education is showing that people don’t want to get 4 year degrees to deal with today’s youth for 40-50k a year. Schools should be happy there are unions in MN. In the “open market” of WI teachers are dictating their terms and making more money than ever as the 1 qualified applicant for many openings. Try finding a male elementary teacher with experience today. Try finding a special education teacher or a bilingual teacher. In all honesty teachers unions in MN are probably keeping wages down with their salary grids in the current situation. The supply of workers is that low.

    Did these people go to school for teaching degrees not knowing the pay? I’m pretty sure I new teachers got paid squat when I was still in school. I dont get the idea of going to school and then not wanting to work in the field when the degree isn’t all that’s cracked out to be.

    I think most thought their wages would increase at a clip similar to the cost of living. Most also didn’t ever imagine a world where they’re simultaneously teaching 15 kids in a classroom, 10 online at home, essentially doing 2 jobs at once for going on 2 full years with fewer supports and more legislative paperwork BS than ever. The fact still remains that regardless of reason, people are leaving the teaching profession or “quitting their job” as the thread is about at a record clip without anyone to replace them. Even if Covid was solved tomorrow or everyone agreed to ignore it in all facets of society, schools would be screwed moving forward for staffing.

    glenn57
    cold spring mn
    Posts: 11812
    #2088113

    my uncle was a high school teacher his whole career, he seems to do alright!!!!!

    during the summer he did part time gigs, behind the wheel instructions things like that.

    his daughter is a teacher and does or did summer school. my granddaughter just started teaching and she loves it!!!!

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17379
    #2088169

    my uncle was a high school teacher his whole career, he seems to do alright!!!!!

    during the summer he did part time gigs, behind the wheel instructions things like that.

    his daughter is a teacher and does or did summer school. my granddaughter just started teaching and she loves it!!!!

    All that time off as a teacher would be a huge selling point even if the salary is not that great for some.

    Umy
    South Metro
    Posts: 1948
    #2088192

    We’ll agree to disagree. Having spent 34 yrs in the schools with 32 as a supervisor and 21 of those as an executive admin cabinet member I speak from experience. I have worked in districts of 1,100 students to 11,000 students.
    The teacher unions are notoriously difficult to manage for many leaders. Perhaps all unions are the same -not sure, only been a member of 2 others in my career…. Teaching pays around $40-45,000 to start ( clearly an average from across the field of MY experience from outstate and metro.) Walk out the school doors around June 15 and return around the 3rd week of August. Most find other employ for the summer, whether in summer school or something different to get a mental break. Those that don’t are pursuing more education to move up on the pay scale ( cost them out of their own pocket for the most part, some districts provide support here).
    Teaching is NOT easy. Nor is CPA work, retail, any of the trades – they are all difficult with different “stressors” related to the day to day grind. Many of the teachers I interview and in many cases hire/d were still in that “Leave it to Beaver” mode about cute little kids, summers and every holiday off. THere would be huge downswing of grads if they were required to do their student teaching on the front end and actually saw what the classroom was really like. AS mentioned from someone else, PArents are the worst in many cases, little support from admin depending on who your leader is, minimal follow-up from home for homework or discipline and what can seem like being abandoned in a life boat for many. THat is a large part of the teacher turnover problem. I am not slamming anyone for their opinions. I responded to this because it touches a nerve for me. MAny of the senior staff are paid in the 90″s and with summer or other gigs make a very comfortable living with a SWEET retirement package, if you can last that long. From my end I have always advocated that teaching should pay more – I would argue it is one of the most precious things in our society that we take for granted. Two of the last administrators I worked with (asst Sup / curriculum director) convinced their kids NOT to go into education for a variety of things – pay was not one of those. Bureaucracy, location, support, student behavior and career burnout were higher up on their lists. THe MOST COMMON reason teachers DON’T leave and stay tooooooo long is that they feel once they have tenure they cannot make the same money, with the same benefits, the same “perks” of work year anywhere else and so they stay. THis is not my observation but that of the HR Director who’s job it is to manage this aspect.
    Should also mention that yes, there are too few applicants already. Most of the teachers I know are in it because they love teaching, they love helping people grow – it is what keeps them coming back everyday. To align with why I responded the way I did, the problem comes in part from poor leadership in many schools, no principal support, rabid teacher union about work to rule, not helping out after school cause the district’s not “working with the union during negotiations” etc etc etc. This is a vicious circle ( like everything else) in that those who are in the field, are training those who are just entering – when those in the field are jaded, they pass that on. When they are not jaded, they pass that on and new teachers try to find the sweet spot between the old curmudgeon and the dedicated pro. It’s a little by little weakening of the school fabric that has slowly eroded to the problems we see today. Couple that with Special Education, which is not fully funded so districts are spending more of their “regulars” education funding on students with Special Needs. Feds require this. BEFORE you go off on me for this understand that I am a huge SPED ( Special Education)advocate and have worked many angles to help get this sorted out in the district sin which I have been employed.
    Most of this is accurate BUCKY:
    I think most thought their wages would increase at a clip similar to the cost of living. Most also didn’t ever imagine a world where they’re simultaneously teaching 15 kids in a classroom, 10 online at home, essentially doing 2 jobs at once for going on 2 full years with fewer supports and more legislative paperwork BS than ever. The fact still remains that regardless of reason, people are leaving the teaching profession or “quitting their job” as the thread is about at a record clip without anyone to replace them. Even if Covid was solved tomorrow or everyone agreed to ignore it in all facets of society, schools would be screwed moving forward for staffing.

    Generally speaking teachers see between 1.-2% raised per year. That is the average. And yes, they knew that going in but still want to teach. Example – “you bought a house by Lake Nokomis and are now pissed about the airplane noise” Really, you knew that going in. Teachers, you knew the pay when you started college, if it was about pay go somewhere else. You can get online, right now, and see what a district’s starting salary is, add in your Master’s or plus 20 credits and see EXACTLY where you will be in 25 years by plotting the the wage scale and a 2 % increase. The argument over money is a non-starter for me. Hence my earlier statement, “they should be paid more – nothing more important than good teachers as far as I’m converged. I was merely adding MY OPINION/EXPERIENCE as to why I think many are leaving. You are going to see larger numbers going to home school and private than ever before – already happening. Summer’s off?! THat’s the smallest portion of the most senior staff or those who have spouses that make more than enough.

    MANY TEACHERS love their jobs, are great at their jobs and god bless them. I responded to an earlier part of the post referencing difficulty with discipline and support from home and, unfortunately, got sidetracked with my own experiences/biases. GOD BLESS your kids, grandkids, spouses for being in Education.

    Matt Moen
    South Minneapolis
    Posts: 4268
    #2088279

    60 Minutes just interviewed the Chief Economist at LinkedIn. Pretty interesting stats on what’s going. A lot of it similar to what’s been talked about here…boomers and Gen Z exiting the workforce. Retail, hospitality, education, construction, healthcare being hardest hit. Employees requiring work from home and better work life balance leaving the workforce short term to find better jobs.

    One thing that hasn’t been discussed are working moms. Many left when the pandemic hit due to childcare and remote school. Thought that was interesting.

    Worth a watch.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17379
    #2088286

    I just saw the story on 60 minutes too. Really interesting.

    Lotta people think that there’s too many people living off unemployment aka the government. Simply not the case.

    As Matt stated, hospitality, retail, education, and health care have the most job openings. Surprisingly though, there are also over 350,000 openings in the construction industry too.

    Bottom line is this: if you have a job that you aren’t satisfied with, go get a better one. Now is the time.

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17379
    #2088292

    Matt, tbro2, did you see the final segment of 60 minutes about NFL kickers? That was really good too!

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22454
    #2088392

    Did 60 minutes mention the mandates some employers have for the jab, as a driving force in losing employees ? If it didn’t, it was more spoon fed info. Also, to think that the government paying employment at double and extending it when their “lockdown” took place did not influence people staying out of the workforce… well then I don’t know what to tell ya. When I tried calling people back, they begged me to call the next guy on the list instead.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2088401

    Did 60 minutes mention the mandates some employers have for the jab, as a driving force in losing employees ? If it didn’t, it was more spoon fed info.

    Wouldn’t that drive the unemployment rate up rather than down?

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22454
    #2088419

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
    Did 60 minutes mention the mandates some employers have for the jab, as a driving force in losing employees ? If it didn’t, it was more spoon fed info.

    Wouldn’t that drive the unemployment rate up rather than down?

    Not necessarily… most of those employees went to another facility… case in point, I have 3 nieces who are nurses… 1 got the jab, one refused and went to a smaller clinic for more money and better hours and the other is not mandated yet. When they say “healthcare hit hardest” drilling down, as a reporter should do, I am confident would show healthcare employers with the mandate… hit hardest. The smaller facilities are benefitting from the process.

    Matt Moen
    South Minneapolis
    Posts: 4268
    #2088455

    Did 60 minutes mention the mandates some employers have for the jab, as a driving force in losing employees ? If it didn’t, it was more spoon fed info. Also, to think that the government paying employment at double and extending it when their “lockdown” took place did not influence people staying out of the workforce… well then I don’t know what to tell ya. When I tried calling people back, they begged me to call the next guy on the list instead.

    Watch it and formulate your opinions.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11640
    #2088476

    60 Minutes just interviewed the Chief Economist at LinkedIn. Pretty interesting stats on what’s going. A lot of it similar to what’s been talked about here…boomers and Gen Z exiting the workforce. Retail, hospitality, education, construction, healthcare being hardest hit. Employees requiring work from home and better work life balance leaving the workforce short term to find better jobs.
    One thing that hasn’t been discussed are working moms. Many left when the pandemic hit due to childcare and remote school. Thought that was interesting.

    Worth a watch.

    Terrific segment. Really a lot of great insight regarding why what we’re seeing now in the world of work/employment.

    Also interesting is the % of employers who now offer work-at-home positions compared to before the pandemic. It’s practically a necessity if they want to compete to attract employees in certain fields.

    Very telling to me was that nobody in this 60 Minutes segment voiced an opinion that the employment/jobs situation, working at home, shortages of many types of employees, etc was something that was strictly temporary and would go back to “normal” (ie 2019) at some point in the near future.

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2088480

    Not necessarily… most of those employees went to another facility… case in point, I have 3 nieces who are nurses… 1 got the jab, one refused and went to a smaller clinic for more money and better hours and the other is not mandated yet. When they say “healthcare hit hardest” drilling down, as a reporter should do, I am confident would show healthcare employers with the mandate… hit hardest. The smaller facilities are benefitting from the process.

    Anecdotes and confidence aside, spoon feed me something I can chew on. People changing jobs doesn’t lead to a worker shortage.

    Maybe you should give the segment a watch.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22454
    #2088483

    I just did… suspect stats, 1 in 7 jobs now remote as compared to 1 in 67 pre-pandemic ? BS, maybe in certain sectors. They got to no root cause. Full of opinions, one guy doesn’t believe people stay home for the govt handouts ..? Must be true. No meat. Turned into a young females quit and are doing something else fluff piece quickly. 8.3% of healthcare decline… why ? Seemed to really want to dig in and get to the bottom of it. 😒

    CaptainMusky
    Posts: 22776
    #2088489

    I dunno 50k for 8 months of work isn’t complete squat. Would be closer to 75k for 12 months of work. I know several people in education that make more than 40-50k
    Not going to be rich but pretty sure anyone going into that field kind of know that going in.

    New teachers do not get paid the best, but I can assure you experienced teachers with continuing ed certainly do because my wife in a few years will be very near 6 figures.
    Now, this has come to great cost and hard work for her as she has multiple masters degrees and all sorts of accreditations with other specialty licenses and she has been teaching for over 20 years with like 15 in the same district.
    The market for teachers in this area is very competitive with some great schools so they have to pay more than a different district.
    She also gets a bonus each Oct that goes up every few years which is a few thousand dollars on top of their negotiated contract increase each year. My buddy and his wife work on the Iron Range and he cannot believe what she gets for annual increase and salary, etc. Cripes she will likely pass me at some point as I generally only get a 3% increase.

    Deuces
    Posts: 5236
    #2088494

    New teachers do not get paid the best, but I can assure you experienced teachers with continuing ed certainly do because my wife in a few years will be very near 6 figures.

    Agreed I have several family members teachers, all with further education while teaching all in the $75k range. Good gig u ask me

    gimruis
    Plymouth, MN
    Posts: 17379
    #2088496

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>CaptainMusky wrote:</div>
    New teachers do not get paid the best, but I can assure you experienced teachers with continuing ed certainly do because my wife in a few years will be very near 6 figures.

    Agreed I have several family members teachers, all with further education while teaching all in the $75k range. Good gig u ask me

    X3

    biggill
    East Bethel, MN
    Posts: 11321
    #2088497

    I just did… suspect stats, 1 in 7 jobs now remote as compared to 1 in 67 pre-pandemic ? BS, maybe in certain sectors. They got to no root cause. Full of opinions, one guy doesn’t believe people stay home for the govt handouts ..? Must be true. No meat. Turned into a young females quit and are doing something else fluff piece quickly. 8.3% of healthcare decline… why ? Seemed to really want to dig in and get to the bottom of it. 😒

    I do agree it doesn’t go anywhere near any sort of root cause but it does shed light on why some people are leaving and where they are going. There’s no evidence whatsoever that vax-mandates are having any affect whatsoever like you are suggesting. Remember, the news can’t be trusted.

    700 Mayo Clinic employees is less than 1% of their staff and it includes all employees from cooks, floor sweepers, drivers, nurses, etc… This type of sensationalism has been plastered all over the media every time the mandate gets enforced without any real relation to what it actually means. Remember, Mayo Clinic is Minnesota’s biggest employer and not all of their facilities are in MN.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22454
    #2088500

    700 were “fired” how many left on their own accord ? Guess we will never know.

    beardly
    Hastings, Mn
    Posts: 467
    #2088505

    700 Mayo Clinic employees is less than 1% of their staff and it includes all employees from cooks, floor sweepers, drivers, nurses, etc… This type of sensationalism has been plastered all over the media every time the mandate gets enforced without any real relation to what it actually means. Remember, Mayo Clinic is Minnesota’s biggest employer and not all of their facilities are in MN.

    My wife works for Mayo. They are and have been very understaffed. They can’t hire anyone. And the mandates made it worse. This is all for a fact. Now the staff is refusing to pick up shifts or help out because they watched their coworkers get fired or forced to leave. It’s not good. The moral is terrible and it isn’t completely to do with the “full” hospitals.

    Ripjiggen
    Posts: 11586
    #2088606

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Ripjiggen wrote:</div>
    I dunno 50k for 8 months of work isn’t complete squat. Would be closer to 75k for 12 months of work. I know several people in education that make more than 40-50k
    Not going to be rich but pretty sure anyone going into that field kind of know that going in.

    New teachers do not get paid the best, but I can assure you experienced teachers with continuing ed certainly do because my wife in a few years will be very near 6 figures.
    Now, this has come to great cost and hard work for her as she has multiple masters degrees and all sorts of accreditations with other specialty licenses and she has been teaching for over 20 years with like 15 in the same district.
    The market for teachers in this area is very competitive with some great schools so they have to pay more than a different district.
    She also gets a bonus each Oct that goes up every few years which is a few thousand dollars on top of their negotiated contract increase each year. My buddy and his wife work on the Iron Range and he cannot believe what she gets for annual increase and salary, etc. Cripes she will likely pass me at some point as I generally only get a 3% increase.

    I definitely was not arguing against your points Captain. Kudos to her.

    Matt Moen
    South Minneapolis
    Posts: 4268
    #2088612

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>beardly wrote:</div>
    My wife works for Mayo. They are and have been very understaffed. They can’t hire anyone. And the mandates made it worse. This is all for a fact. Now the staff is refusing to pick up shifts or help out because they watched their coworkers get fired or forced to leave. It’s not good. The moral is terrible and it isn’t completely to do with the “full” hospitals.

    Welcome to the club, Mayo.

    -Every other hospital that exists

    Now that’s funny.

    stevenoak
    Posts: 1719
    #2088839

    I quit at 60. Was self-employed since 18years old. Did take 50 hour a week side job for a year in tough times. Still keeping my business going. For 15 years we worked 2 shifts, I worked both. Averaging 80 to 90 hours a week. Bought my first house for 10k. Bought fixed sold my way to a 350k house. Never going over about 50k in debt, and never over 7 years. And not since 50 years old. Bought my first new personal vehicle in 2020. Bought fixed and sold them too. Numbers looked good to hang it up at 60, insurance being the big issue. Looked like I could have gone earlier till this last year. This 6% inflation has taken a small Florida rental house from $2500 a month to $5k. Many other things have increased 100% to 500%. Our day to day we’re fine still. But luxuries may take a toll if things don’t change. As recreation property increases in price. So does the cost of renting them. Luckily, I’m eligible for Medi care next summer. Retirement planning usually factors for a sensible inflation. But few factor in for a year like 2021. Lots of retirees looking to re-enter the work force if they didn’t have a pretty good cushion. Good news to that. You can walk in about any door with a work ethic and walk out with a job. The problem I see with retired guys with a good work ethic. Is finding a part time job. Employers keep converting them to full time. Because they need the help. The only good thing about 2021. Is my swear jar has almost enough in it to buy a new boat!!

    beardly
    Hastings, Mn
    Posts: 467
    #2088850

    Welcome to the club, Mayo.

    -Every other hospital that exists

    Now that’s funny.

    Not really.

    My point was specific to the Mayo numbers post. It does make it obvious though that health care in general is in trouble.

    big_g
    Isle, MN
    Posts: 22454
    #2088912

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Matt Moen wrote:</div>

    Welcome to the club, Mayo.

    -Every other hospital that exists

    Now that’s funny.

    Not really.

    My point was specific to the Mayo numbers post. It does make it obvious though that health care in general is in trouble.

    Actually according to one nurse I know… places not requiring the vaccine have lots of applicants… but no more capacity. Beds that are actually full and fully staffed. Those 700 mayo employees will land somewhere… eventually.

    Matt Moen
    South Minneapolis
    Posts: 4268
    #2088958

    <div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Matt Moen wrote:</div>

    Welcome to the club, Mayo.

    -Every other hospital that exists

    Now that’s funny.

    Not really.

    My point was specific to the Mayo numbers post. It does make it obvious though that health care in general is in trouble.

    Welcome to the club, Mayo. That’s the funny part. Maybe it was intended to be a pun but that’s how I read it.

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