<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
I would say that the main change was the government stepping in and telling parents how to raise their kids… and actually encouraging single parent families in the home through government incentives… but where the no accountability and always somebody else’s fault… don’t know where you got that !!! 🤣🤣🤣And who do you think voted for these politicians that made it possible?
Dead people 🤣🤣🤣 81 million 😜😜😜
Mrs Grouse’s area of expertise is HCM, or human capital management. She gets asked every week by some client or customer, “When’s it going to get back to normal?” Good news, she tells them. We’re normal NOW. This is normal. How do you like it?
Couldn’t agree more. Not sure how much longer it has to go on for people to realize this.
So it’s normal for a nation to put the rest of the world in a deadly pandemic that has killed millions ? God help us if this is your “normal”… can no one remember what it was like in 2018 ? That’s the “normal” I want and will work towards.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>gimruis wrote:</div>
I have a cousin who works road construction for 7 months out of the year. She makes good money doing it too. But for 5 months, she does nothing. And for 3 months of that, she sits around and just collects state unemployment.My son is a heavy equipment operator. He is on the same plan. But after working 70 plus hours a week from May to Oct. The down time is almost required to rest the brain and body to prepare to do it again next season.
We do the same. But year round. No lay offs. No reset. When we need a break we work a 50 hr week.
Hate to break it to you Big G but Covid ain’t going no where. So 2018. It’s 2022 almost four years. Things change yes I think this is our new normal for some time.
If you think I meant what you stated well I don’t know what to tell you.
Hate to break it to you Big G but Covid ain’t going no where. So 2018. It’s 2022 almost four years. Things change yes I think this is our new normal for some time.
If you think I meant what you stated well I don’t know what to tell you.
It’s like the flu… it’s coming out… when people realize that (schools going remote again) 🤣🤣🤣 that is when we can start getting back to the long lost days of 4 years ago. That and getting government overreach reeled back in… they are not my keeper… I am theirs.
Ya know, I never got a stimulus check the first time around. Maybe i’ll get one this time.
If this is the new normal it’s a mess.
It’s like the flu… it’s coming out… when people realize that (schools going remote again) 🤣🤣🤣 that is when we can start getting back to the long lost days of 4 years ago. That and getting government overreach reeled back in… they are not my keeper… I am theirs.
Who’s telling schools to go remote? The White House is telling schools to stay open.
God help us if this is your “normal”… can no one remember what it was like in 2018 ? That’s the “normal” I want and will work towards.
Good luck to you. Let us know your plan to “work towards” getting millions of people who have worked hard their whole lives to un-retire so you can get back to 2018.
Also, would love to hear how you intend to get millions to go BACK to low-paid service jobs in hotels, restaurants, retail, etc now that they’ve moved on to other, better-paid employment.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
God help us if this is your “normal”… can no one remember what it was like in 2018 ? That’s the “normal” I want and will work towards.Good luck to you. Let us know your plan to “work towards” getting millions of people who have worked hard their whole lives to un-retire so you can get back to 2018.
Also, would love to hear how you intend to get millions to go BACK to low-paid service jobs in hotels, restaurants, retail, etc now that they’ve moved on to other, better-paid employment.
So you think it is “normal” for millions to retire… and hotels and restaurants to shut down ? I equate what is happening is like the movie Pulp Fiction… written backwards… what is the outcome you want ? Work backwards from there… $15 minimum wage… most places today are hard pressed to hire anyone for less than $15… lots of FF restaraunt sat $17…. This will just raise the price of your hamburger or hotel room… it’s all relative. Thank god MaryAnne told Biden about the $5 a lb burger. This is all a result of a HUGE reset… set into motion by a pandemic, that was blown out of proportion again, by media and certain governors, remember how they had to sell the 2 weeks to “flatten the curve” ? Some have become conditioned to believe everything their government is telling them… I am not one. Baby boomers retiring is nothing that was unseen, what was unseen was this big China virus threat (blown out of proportion by govt and media) that helped millions decide to get out of the workforce, as it made sense at the time. People accepting the way the govt and media are acting today becoming “normal” is exactly what they wanted… submission. I will not and will do what I can for myself.
So it’s normal for a nation to put the rest of the world in a deadly pandemic that has killed millions ?
set into motion by a pandemic, that was blown out of proportion again, by media and certain governors,
So it’s normal for a nation to put the rest of the world in a deadly pandemic that has killed millions ?
set into motion by a pandemic, that was blown out of proportion again, by media and certain governors,
Exactly my point…it cannot be both.
Did you not just claim both? 🤷♂️
I’m movin on…
Who’s telling schools to go remote? The White House is
telling schools to stay open
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…as are governors, teachers unions, parents, and students themselves
People somehow think schools, kids, teachers enjoyed the remote learning or that is was an “easy” button for everyone. For anyone who thinks this I encourage you go to chat with a local coach, teacher, advisor, athletic director and see what burdens they now welcome dealing with daily to keep schools open versus the burden of providing education remotely.
Covid isn’t going to close schools except in the most extreme cases…staffing issues will do it long before that.
Some would argue staffing issues are related to overblown responses to Covid. I would argue is has more to do with people not wanting to work in a school kitchen for $12 an hour, drive busses for $15 an hour, or teach this generation of kids for $40k a year after absorbing the costs associated with college. Our local district couldn’t find teachers before Covid that were qualified for Special Education, Math, English, etc. and retention was at an all-time low with the competitive offers they have in a market with low labor supply. Bus drivers were few and far between. Teachers’ Aides or Paraprofessionals are nearly extinct. Covid didn’t do this…people making shifts in the labor market that benefit themselves did this.
drive busses for $15 an hour
The middle school near my house has a large sign up (its been there since August) that indicates they will pay a $5000 sign on bonus, $25/hour, and no nights/weekends/holidays for bus drivers and there’s still a shortage.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>buckybadger wrote:</div>
drive busses for $15 an hourThe middle school near my house has a large sign up (its been there since August) that indicates they will pay a $5000 sign on bonus, $25/hour, and no nights/weekends/holidays for bus drivers and there’s still a shortage.
It’s a part time split shift in a lot of cases though
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>buckybadger wrote:</div>
drive busses for $15 an hourThe middle school near my house has a large sign up (its been there since August) that indicates they will pay a $5000 sign on bonus, $25/hour, and no nights/weekends/holidays for bus drivers and there’s still a shortage.
That’s crazy, but also a pretty widespread situation.
The average age of a school bus driver in 2018 (3+ years ago and prior to Covid) was 57 years. This issue has been a long time coming and definitely existed before Covid. I would not be shocked to see more and more districts offer families stipends to transport their own children to schools. Bussing was expensive before, and it’s now about to multiply with what market wages will dictate to retain staff.
Honestly… you couldn’t pay me enough to drive elementary/middle school kids around everyday. Don’t even get me started on school systems and teachers
Yep, take disciple & respect away and you get shortages of teachers, bus drivers & cops.
Yep, take disciple & respect away and you get shortages of teachers, bus drivers & cops.
^I couldn’t agree more.
We had a teacher/coach of over 20 years in our community with tons of success placed on an “improvement plan” for his yelling at players. I wouldn’t even classify him as a screamer. The guy told kids who missed practice (as outlined in his handbook) that they would lose playing time regardless of ability. He was told he was “too negative” in saying he would rather lose games with the kids who were 100% dedicated than win games with more talented kids who made excuses and weren’t reliable. Unfortunately administration didn’t agree with his stance (due to parent pressure) and thought it was their job to intervene at parents’ requests. The coach and teacher waited until 3 days before the season and told the district and parents to pound sand and find a qualified teaching replacement. The guy has never been happier and is one of the better sources for fishing reports now that he chose to retire early.
Teachers, coaches, police, bus drivers, etc. haven’t specifically changed – Parents and the means they will go to get their way have though. For every kid that’s lazy, hard to deal with, disrespectful, and so on….there’s a parent who allows them to be that way. Blaming schools and teachers for kids’ behaviors and apathy today is generally the culmination of shi**y parenting coming full circle.
Honestly… you couldn’t pay me enough to drive elementary/middle school kids around everyday.
Haha. Probably wouldn’t be for me either.
ive been retired for 15 months, and love it. mainly was forced to retire due to covid, but not regretting it.
yea school bus driver aint gonna happen here no matter the pay.
i am however going to start next week at the local grocery store here in town for something to keep me a bit more busy. pay starting out is $11.08 an hour to stock bakery products. it isnt about the money so much, and i am or will be the new guy, as it about doing something constructive.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dutchboy wrote:</div>
Yep, take disciple & respect away and you get shortages of teachers, bus drivers & cops.^I couldn’t agree more.
We had a teacher/coach of over 20 years in our community with tons of success placed on an “improvement plan” for his yelling at players. I wouldn’t even classify him as a screamer. The guy told kids who missed practice (as outlined in his handbook) that they would lose playing time regardless of ability. He was told he was “too negative” in saying he would rather lose games with the kids who were 100% dedicated than win games with more talented kids who made excuses and weren’t reliable. Unfortunately administration didn’t agree with his stance (due to parent pressure) and thought it was their job to intervene at parents’ requests. The coach and teacher waited until 3 days before the season and told the district and parents to pound sand and find a qualified teaching replacement. The guy has never been happier and is one of the better sources for fishing reports now that he chose to retire early.
Teachers, coaches, police, bus drivers, etc. haven’t specifically changed – Parents and the means they will go to get their way have though. For every kid that’s lazy, hard to deal with, disrespectful, and so on….there’s a parent who allows them to be that way. Blaming schools and teachers for kids’ behaviors and apathy today is generally the culmination of shi**y parenting coming full circle.
Yes I wanted to go there but the super parents would have broke out the “you are a old curmudgeon” argument. 
Specifically, Somebody tell the Chicago Teachers Union about “the science” when it comes to Covid. Is it real or not ?
As far as people not working for $12 per hour, better yourself, you control that.
Also, would love to hear how you intend to get millions to go BACK to low-paid service jobs in hotels, restaurants, retail, etc now that they’ve moved on to other, better-paid employment.
Not go back to, but come out the woodwork for. Large scale legalization of immigrants.
All the while companies are hiring anything and anyone they can put their hands on bringing employment and wage #’s for minorities at an all time.
2024 election the democratic party will win bc they secured the Latin vote, black vote, and the masses will be to blind to see what real long term devastating consequences the circumstances it took to create all this had caused.
Sorry I’ll take my tinfoil hat off now 
Covid isn’t going to close schools except in the most extreme cases…staffing issues will do it long before that.
Minnetonka High School went to remote learning today due to too many teachers out with Covid.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>buckybadger wrote:</div>
Covid isn’t going to close schools except in the most extreme cases…staffing issues will do it long before that.Minnetonka High School went to remote learning today due to too many teachers out with Covid.
Yes – Hence the staffing issues. Note that they didn’t close because they had too many students out. A school can run with low student attendance, but it cannot run without staff. A relatively minor illness for most (not everyone I know) isn’t the true reason they are remote learning. I’d bet with further digging the real issue isn’t Covid. It’s the shortage of substitute teachers and support staff who can cover while teachers are out. A lot of people don’t know or want to recognize that there were districts that’d close early around the Holidays in years past or even shut down for a few days here and there due to influenza outbreaks and not being able to staff a building. If you take a handful of the wrong staff out of any business, school, etc. things can snowball. Substitute teachers are paid $~130 a day before taxes around here. That works out to about $16 an hour and probably more like 11-12$ an hour after taxes. The labor market in our system of capitalism is clearly showing that wage isn’t worth the hassle of the job.
As far as people not working for $12 per hour, better yourself, you control that.
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They are bettering themselves or at least changing something by going to different jobs for twice the pay. The demand for labor in this country hasn’t been this high in everyone here’s lifetime. With that is going to come vacated low paying jobs. If you want someone to show up in the year 2022 and work for you or provide services in almost any industry with even the least skilled positions, a $10-15 hourly wage won’t get it done. I’m not saying I love this but it is the reality. The labor market is pounding that concept into people’s brains the hard way right now.
It’s the shortage of substitute teachers and support staff who can cover while teachers are out.
My Father has been retired from full time teaching for 7 years now. Not a day goes by where he doesn’t receive at least 20 phone calls or emails asking him to be a sub (pre-covid). And he has only limited his “contract” list to about 3 districts near his residence. There was definitely a shortage of subs before this. Now its even worse.
Saw a sign at a local liquor store that said “Good help wanted- starting at $10/hr!”
Good luck with that 
Saw a sign at a local liquor store that said “Good help wanted- starting at $10/hr!”
Good luck with that
After knowing a handful of people who’ve worked at liquor stores I don’t think the pay is why they work there.
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