Quitting your job

The people who work(ed) those lines would literally voluntarily stick their arm in an operating machine to receive workers comp to go home and not work. More of an extreme case, but generally low skilled positions are not filled by ambitious workers ready to pass a drug test to go work for $15/hr at Kwik Trip. We design the robots/automated systems that replace these workers, and from site visits I think it would be safe to say the workers are excited at the thought of not working.

ganderpike wrote:

The people who work(ed) those lines would literally voluntarily stick their arm in an operating machine to receive workers comp to go home and not work. More of an extreme case, but generally low skilled positions are not filled by ambitious workers ready to pass a drug test to go work for $15/hr at Kwik Trip. We design the robots/automated systems that replace these workers, and from site visits I think it would be safe to say the workers are excited at the thought of not working.

Agreed….remember that a year ago these jobs paid even less. These are mainly transient workers filling these roles. If they don’t work they likely go on an entitlement program. It’s easy for mfg’s to make a decision to automate when labor costs continue to rise while at the same time finding reliable people to fill shifts is declining.

ganderpike wrote:

The people who work(ed) those lines would literally voluntarily stick their arm in an operating machine to receive workers comp to go home and not work.

Businesses have cameras for this very reason. BS. Maybe 20 years ago.

biggill wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>ganderpike wrote:</div>
The people who work(ed) those lines would literally voluntarily stick their arm in an operating machine to receive workers comp to go home and not work.

Businesses have cameras for this very reason. BS. Maybe 20 years ago.

Is there anything that you are not a expert on?

Why do you always call me an expert when I disagree with someone?

biggill wrote:

Why do you always call me an expert when I disagree with someone?

Because your expertise in every subject

Brian Klawitter wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>MX1825 wrote:</div>
My hope is the last check I write before I die–bounces!

Remind me not to take a check from you MX.

Kwik Trip in Red Wing is STARTING at $15.00 per hour.

An ER Nurse I know worked last weekend. Two 12 hour (extra) shifts at $200. per hour.

You don’t have to worry BK. I have no debt and pay cash for most items.

I know of 3 recent grads sitting on the sidelines living at home with mom and dad. (Age 24-28) No plans to take a job while student loan payments are being delayed. All under the delusion they will be hired into 6 figure paying jobs when they decide to look for a job. Must be a “thing” these days….

-J.

Well, they aren’t necessarily wrong. Although I’d be working banking the big $ while not paying rent.

Jon Jordan wrote:

I know of 3 recent grads sitting on the sidelines living at home with mom and dad. (Age 24-28) No plans to take a job while student loan payments are being delayed. All under the delusion they will be hired into 6 figure paying jobs when they decide to look for a job. Must be a “thing” these days….

-J.

It must be the times. I would have been tossed on the street if I was living at home and not working. In this case JJ I lay the blame on the parents.

Dutchboy wrote:

I know of 3 recent grads sitting on the sidelines living at home with mom and dad. (Age 24-28) No plans to take a job while student loan payments are being delayed. All under the delusion they will be hired into 6 figure paying jobs when they decide to look for a job. Must be a “thing” these days….

-J.

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It must be the times. I would have been tossed on the street if I was living at home and not working. In this case JJ I lay the blame on the parents.

I can’t say I know of anyone specifically doing this or would blame widespread labor shortages on the few young people doing this, but they are missing out on some of the best employment opportunities of their generation – even if they are just temporary jobs. If you could live rent free AND cash in on the crazy pay rates of today it would be a real head start compared to what many people endured as young adults. Some of the sign-on bonuses in this area for factory jobs, service industry jobs, etc are amazing. I still remember my father telling me that if I did not have a specific plan the day I graduated high school that he approved of…he’d have my grad party balloons tied to my luggage at the end of the driveway.

Today’s generations of “figure it out as it happens” is so opposite of how my family handled/handles business. It may work for some, but it wouldn’t work for me.

I agree, most things wrong with our generation can be traced back to your generation.

I’d be too scared to leave the workforce at almost any age.
Some online retirement calculators say I’ll be a billionaire, and others say I’ll have to move in with my kid.

biggill wrote:

Just a quick thought about labor shortages that I never see talked about. It purely anecdotal but how much of this is caused simply by the creation of new jobs? I mean, how many Kwik Trips, Dollar Generals, Starbucks, Walmarts, Amazon Fulfillment Warehouses, Jimmy Johns, etc… we’re built in the last two years?

Excellent point. There are actually more jobs in the US economy than there ever have been.

Total employment in 1962 was 66.7 Million. In 2022, there are just short of 152 million people employed in this country. Yes, the population is higher, of course. But overall, there are more jobs now than there ever have been per 1000 people of workforce participation age.

The “workforce participation age” part is key because that’s the piece of the pie that is shrinking fast and that doesn’t even count those under the age of 65 who have retired and those who have left the workforce voluntarily.

Mrs Grouse’s area of expertise is HCM, or human capital management. She gets asked every week by some client or customer, “When’s it going to get back to normal?” Good news, she tells them. We’re normal NOW. This is normal. How do you like it?

Grouse

ganderpike wrote:

I agree, most things wrong with our generation can be traced back to your generation.

winner winner, chicken dinner

I love when boomers/gen Xers get mad at millennials/gen Z for the way the boomers/gen Xers raised them

Gitchi Gummi wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>ganderpike wrote:</div>
I agree, most things wrong with our generation can be traced back to your generation.

winner winner, chicken dinner

All these topics of late just make me want to go live in the friggin woods and kill squirrels and birds for food. May lose a few pounds, but that ain’t all bad either

LabDaddy1 wrote:

All these topics of late just make me want to go live in the friggin woods and kill squirrels and birds for food. May lose a few pounds, but that ain’t all bad either

Makes ya think how simple life really could be doesn’t it… without all the fancy crap that nobody really NEEDS

big_g wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>gimruis wrote:</div>

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>big_g wrote:</div>
In fact, let’s all head to China for the Olympics.

The only people permitted to head to Beijing are the athletes. No visitors from outside the country. The same policy was in effect in Tokyo last August for the delayed summer olympics.

I realize that… I just find it ironic that countries around the globe will send their finest athletes to compete at the Olympics in the country that is under scrutiny for performing gain of function research… that is not disputed. You would think the gathering would be in Nuremberg.

Friggin hilarious – agree 100% HIPPOCRISY is the new buzzword from our leaders

Coletrain27 wrote:

Makes ya think how simple life really could be doesn’t it… without all the fancy crap that nobody really NEEDS

Yeah man. Whenever I go hunting or fishing these last couple years especially, I really appreciate more and more the peace and quiet and simplicity. A fire in the woods at night with nothing but the owls, coyotes/wolves, drumming grouse, and occasional mystery noise with the crackling fire is very hard to beat. Maybe some country music at low volume in the background… Makes me feel alive and calm and humbled.

Saying this reminds me of a good tune by the late Chris ledoux. RIP

Not trying to derail any conversation here, have at ‘er!

Not to take this another direction, but my wife and I have been planning early retirement for quite some time now, and this calendar year looks “finally” like the year.

With pensions, 401k’s, health care benefits, etc…, and retiring mid-50’s, its the most confusing and complex thing I have ever had to plan in my life. They (Govt and Companies) don’t make it easy, at all.

If you don’t do it correct, Govt will take a lot of your hard earned money away from you, not to mention MN is one of the worst states for retiree tax burden, and Companies do their best to make any good benefit extremely difficult to obtain. I thought I had all the ducks in a row, and just recently found out that a couple of ducks blew up the row, and now we have to re-gather everything.

Its hard to plan out 30-40 years of retirement, not having a window into the future…..

toddrun wrote:

Not to take this another direction, but my wife and I have been planning early retirement for quite some time now, and this calendar year looks “finally” like the year.

With pensions, 401k’s, health care benefits, etc…, and retiring mid-50’s, its the most confusing and complex thing I have ever had to plan in my life. They (Govt and Companies) don’t make it easy, at all.

If you don’t do it correct, Govt will take a lot of your hard earned money away from you, not to mention MN is one of the worst states for retiree tax burden, and Companies do their best to make any good benefit extremely difficult to obtain. I thought I had all the ducks in a row, and just recently found out that a couple of ducks blew up the row, and now we have to re-gather everything.

Its hard to plan out 30-40 years of retirement, not having a window into the future…..

Great point about where you choose to live and retirement. Mrs. Bucky and I have discussed this before and there’s a lot to sort through. Many people talk about becoming a “resident” of Florida for 6 months of the year where there are no income taxes (or other similar places). However, some places have lower income taxes but different estate taxes, property taxes, or cost of living. It’s going to be far from easy to make decisions when that time comes.

ganderpike wrote:

I agree, most things wrong with our generation can be traced back to your generation.

I would say that the main change was the government stepping in and telling parents how to raise their kids… and actually encouraging single parent families in the home through government incentives… but where the no accountability and always somebody else’s fault… don’t know where you got that !!! 🤣🤣🤣

big_g wrote:

<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>ganderpike wrote:</div>
I agree, most things wrong with our generation can be traced back to your generation.

I would say that the main change was the government stepping in and telling parents how to raise their kids… and actually encouraging single parent families in the home through government incentives… but where the no accountability and always somebody else’s fault… don’t know where you got that !!! 🤣🤣🤣

So first it’s all the government’s fault— and then you’re whining about lack of personal responsibility. Something tells me you don’t even see the irony there.

big_g wrote:

I would say that the main change was the government stepping in and telling parents how to raise their kids… and actually encouraging single parent families in the home through government incentives… but where the no accountability and always somebody else’s fault… don’t know where you got that !!! 🤣🤣🤣

And who do you think voted for these politicians that made it possible?

I have a cousin who works road construction for 7 months out of the year. She makes good money doing it too. But for 5 months, she does nothing. And for 3 months of that, she sits around and just collects state unemployment. She could easily get a job that pays more than the unemployment, but then she would actually have to work for income during that time period. What she does is perfectly legal. She pays income taxes on all of it. Whether it is ethical or moral is an opinion. When I see her in the winter, I tell her to go get a job and she looks at me like I’m speaking a foreign language to her.

gimruis wrote:

I have a cousin who works road construction for 7 months out of the year. She makes good money doing it too. But for 5 months, she does nothing. And for 3 months of that, she sits around and just collects state unemployment. She could easily get a job that pays more than the unemployment, but then she would actually have to work for income during that time period. What she does is perfectly legal. She pays income taxes on all of it. Whether it is ethical or moral is an opinion. When I see her in the winter, I tell her to go get a job and she looks at me like I’m speaking a foreign language to her.

Thats a perk for working all day everyday in the summer. Teachers have the same thing. Many of the guides around the states are school teachers.

buckybadger wrote:

Great point about where you choose to live and retirement. Mrs. Bucky and I have discussed this before and there’s a lot to sort through. Many people talk about becoming a “resident” of Florida for 6 months of the year where there are no income taxes (or other similar places). However, some places have lower income taxes but different estate taxes, property taxes, or cost of living. It’s going to be far from easy to make decisions when that time comes.

South Dakota still has the PO Box residency also, zero income tax. But sounds like Govt is trying to step in front of that as well.

gimruis wrote:

I have a cousin who works road construction for 7 months out of the year. She makes good money doing it too. But for 5 months, she does nothing. And for 3 months of that, she sits around and just collects state unemployment.

My son is a heavy equipment operator. He is on the same plan. But after working 70 plus hours a week from May to Oct. The down time is almost required to rest the brain and body to prepare to do it again next season.

Mrs Grouse’s area of expertise is HCM, or human capital management. She gets asked every week by some client or customer, “When’s it going to get back to normal?” Good news, she tells them. We’re normal NOW. This is normal. How do you like it?

Couldn’t agree more. Not sure how much longer it has to go on for people to realize this.