Proposed Hunting Rule Changes

  • Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #1570380

    I’m not sure how I feel about this. If they’re going to require non-toxic shot on WMAs, why not just make it statewide?

    Input sought on proposed hunting rule changes, including non-toxic shot on WMAs

    Small-game hunters and others can give input starting Tuesday, Oct. 13, on proposed rules that include requiring the use of non-toxic shot on wildlife management areas (WMAs) in Minnesota’s farmland zone.
    “The non-toxic shot rule would apply to hunters using shotguns with shot, not to hunters using single-projectile ammunition, such as rifles or shotguns with slugs,” said Jason Abraham, furbearer and regulations specialist with the Minnesota Department of Natural Resources. “We’re trying to reduce the amount of lead deposited on public land, especially wetlands.”
    The non-toxic shot proposal is one of several proposed rule changes, which also include hunting game on certain refuges, use of non-toxic shot for rails and snipe statewide, and adjustments to small game possession limits.
    The non-toxic shot requirement would affect hunters using shotguns to hunt wild turkey, pheasants and other small game species on WMAs in the farmland zone. Hunters currently need to use non-toxic shot for hunting waterfowl. It would not affect private land, state forest and county forest land. The farmland zone includes the far western and southern portion of the state. The forest zone makes up the northeastern part of the state and would not be affected by this proposed rule change.
    “Requiring non-toxic shot on farmland zone WMAs will reduce the amount of lead deposited in or near wetlands on public lands. These are places with heavy hunting pressure,” Abraham said. “Also, federal lands already have this requirement, so our proposal makes the regulations simpler for hunters in WMAs, which are often bordered by federal land.”
    The proposal would allow steel or other alternatives to lead that are approved by the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.
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    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18719
    #1570395

    I dont know how I feel. I get sick of swapping back and forth on our trips to Iowa. Most in our group just stick with steel and I’m leaning that way as well.
    Knock down power from a 3″ steel with slightly larger shot (#3 or #4) seems on par with lead 2 3/4 in #5. You end up short one shell in your gun but I put on a tube extender to eliminate that problem. I once felt very strongly about losing lead but have been gradually converted. I would have a problem if they did that on all public land up north because I don’t want to buy a new Grouse gun.

    dbright
    Cambridge
    Posts: 1873
    #1570402

    I usually shoot steel since a few of my grouse spots require non toxic and it is a pain switching back and forth all the time. My only problem with it is that lighter game loads are not the easiest to find. Can a guy even find small enough steel shot for dove hunting?

    Ralph Wiggum
    Maple Grove, MN
    Posts: 11764
    #1570404

    …I don’t want to buy a new Grouse gun.

    You don’t want to buy a new gun? rotflol

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18719
    #1570410

    My belt fed 20 ga works fine! jester

    Steve Root
    South St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 5649
    #1570414

    My shotgun loads from the front. I know how it works with lead shot, but I have no idea what would happen if I put steel shot in a blackpowder gun. I guess they’re going to force me to buy one of those new fangled repeaters, dang-nabbit!

    SR

    P.S. I’m being serious…I carry a Navy Arms 12ga side by side muzzle loader. Swings like a dream and hits like a bus.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18719
    #1570421

    My shotgun loads from the front. I know how it works with lead shot, but I have no idea what would happen if I put steel shot in a blackpowder gun. I guess they’re going to force me to buy one of those new fangled repeaters, dang-nabbit!

    SR

    P.S. I’m being serious…I carry a Navy Arms 12ga side by side muzzle loader. Swings like a dream and hits like a bus.

    OMG! How can you see if you hit your target! Sounds cool. You could load anything in something like that. Brings a whole new meaning to “nailed” em!

    Justin Laack
    Austin,mn
    Posts: 492
    #1570455

    Dbright, I believe Kent makes 7 shot in steel in 2 3/4.

    Steve Root
    South St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 5649
    #1570467

    I was hoping someone else on the site used a black powder gun. Looks like it’s time to do some research.

    Federal
    Posts: 10
    #1570468

    Federal has a complete line of steel shot in 7.5 ,8, 9’s

    deertracker
    Posts: 9253
    #1570498

    I always thought that was the law. Or am I thinking wpa’s?
    DT

    Justin Laack
    Austin,mn
    Posts: 492
    #1570549

    Yup, Wpa’s have always been lead free.

    deertracker
    Posts: 9253
    #1570599

    I kind of gotten used to carrying steel no matter where I hunt. Never know when your busting sloughs pheasant hunting and you have a shot at a duck.
    DT

    Timmy
    Posts: 1245
    #1570612

    I hope it never goes statewide…… A guy can burn a lot of ammo chasing grouse on a good year and the thought of having to shoot steel for it does not appeal to this guy.

    mwal
    Rosemount,MN
    Posts: 1050
    #1570653

    I have not tried using a shot cup for steel shot in my black powder shotgun. I use lubricated felt wad over powder then shot then paper over shot wad or wadded tissue paper.steel shot may scratch bore. I read you can use a plastic shot cup over powder wad for steel sbot. You could use bismuth shot as it is as soft as lead.

    TheFamousGrouse
    St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 11838
    #1570663

    P.S. I’m being serious…I carry a Navy Arms 12ga side by side

    Well, thank you! At least Tegg and I are getting some help in keeping up the style and weaponry general decorum around here.

    I mean, not to name any names, but, well… It isn’t easy.

    My belt fed 20 ga works fine! ” />

    sticker
    StillwaterMN/Ottertail county
    Posts: 4418
    #1570699

    Since they made it mandatory to use if for waterfowl I have not bought any lead shot. I don’t need the confusion when pheasant or grouse hunting. I don’t want to be pheasant hunting a spot and have a duck or goose come over and can’t shoot cause I have lead. I only have steel shot so it wouldn’t bother me a bit.

    Steve Root
    South St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 5649
    #1570738

    It looks like there are non-toxic alternatives to steel, like Bismouth which is supposed to be compatible with older guns. Is Bismouth legal in MN?

    SR

    Steve Root
    South St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 5649
    #1570742

    Jeez I just looked at some prices on Bismouth and HeviShot. It might be cheaper to melt down some gold coins and make shot out of that. $150-$200 for a bag of shot? Ugghhhh.

    suzuki
    Woodbury, Mn
    Posts: 18719
    #1570774

    I told ya steve. Galvanized nails are definitely non-toxic! jester

    Steve Root
    South St. Paul, MN
    Posts: 5649
    #1570933

    I told ya steve. Galvanized nails are definitely non-toxic!  :jester:

    I’ve pulled a nail out of a tire, but never out of a grouse grin

    Reef W
    Posts: 2834
    #1576527

    I think requiring non-toxic statewide is a good idea. Does anybody doubt that spreading lead all over the place is a bad idea? Might as well do it before it becomes a real problem, especially on WMAs which are hunted so intensively.

    It looks like there are non-toxic alternatives to steel, like Bismouth which is supposed to be compatible with older guns. Is Bismouth legal in MN?

    Yes, it is. Nontoxic shot includes steel, bismuth, tungsten. Starting last year I only use bismuth for pheasant hunting and have been happy with the performance. For factory bismuth loads Rio is the only option and it’s about $25 for a box of 10. Tungsten has a few different versions like Hevi-Shot and Kent Tungsten Matrix.

    As far as density goes here’s a list I saved:
    steel: 7.86 grams per cc
    bismuth: 9.6 grams per cc
    tungsten matrix: 10.6 grams per cc
    lead: 11.1 grams per cc
    hevi-shot: 12 grams per cc

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