sidetrack rant…How is sports gambling still not allowed here? It’s just guaranteed millions sitting there ripe for the taking.
Maybe those mediocre $10 beers at a baseball game would taste better knowing that I could bet the over/under on how many times the same batter would readjust their batting gloves before swinging in an at-bat.
sidetrack rant…How is sports gambling still not allowed here?
Probably need to start a new thread, but it’s due to the Tribe. They control everything, and for them to add Sports Gambling they would have to reopen their monopoly on gambling in the state. So they lobby to just keep it illegal rather than risk negotiations on their existing monopoly.
Werm are you saying they’d have to open ALL gambling to the rest of the state?
I have heard people say that the first, “foot-in-the-door” step of getting sports gambling would likely be adding sports betting to existing casinos i.e. the tribes would control them. At this point why not. There are several individual rights and decisions I won’t get into specifics about that I think should be legal. I would have no desire to patronize any of them but all could bring tax revenue and possibly cut down on black markets and the crime associated with them.
I would have no desire to patronize any of them but all could bring tax revenue and possibly cut down on black markets and the crime associated with them.
The casinos pay taxes??
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Dan wrote:</div>
I would have no desire to patronize any of them but all could bring tax revenue and possibly cut down on black markets and the crime associated with them.The casinos pay taxes??
That’s not what was said, good knee jerk tho. But since u went there I will too.
Tribes allow alot of other “white” person activities in many different forms on their lands which they don’t have to. You can make sure that no matter if it’s across state lines, if it’s a push button issue other tribes in the entire region will be helping how they can as well.
Probably need to start a new thread, but it’s due to the Tribe. They control everything, and for them to add Sports Gambling they would have to reopen their monopoly on gambling in the state. So they lobby to just keep it illegal rather than risk negotiations on their existing monopoly.
The state of Florida, the Seminole Tribe, and the Federal Government have been figuring their way through the same issues. Not without some roadbumps, but they’ve paved the road for other states / tribes to follow.
My opinion all these Profesional sports that are on limited cable will loose out on future fans. My son has who is 8 has only watched about 2 games and they were in person.
Do u think he will pick it up later in life?.
I grew up watching the twins on attena TV. Even play offs are on special TV. Only pro sports My son watches is the vikings.
My complaints.
First, it used to be that all Twins games were on KMSP channel 9. Anyone could turn on the TV and it was there. The retiree in a fixed income. The nursing home without cable.
Second, where are the hometown kids? Today’s Twins team is an ever revolving roster of kids from the Dominican Republic. There is no association with the fans. I know we’ll never go back to the Puckett and Hrbek days, but we’ve lost something when the fans can’t even relate to the players in any way. You go to a minor league or adult softball game and it’s a completely different story.
Third, while I love Target Field and all of the new stadiums, they’ve purposely created an atmosphere where the fans are ENCOURAGED to do anything but actually watch the game.
Fourth, I think the whole walk up song thing is dumb and annoying and detracts from the game.
We drove all those hometown kids out the door when when all the fans called Mauer over rated and over paid. 😂
By the way Twins have 4 players from the Dominican.
Agree with you on the telecast but that ain’t changing so…
Did you really just compare the MLB fans to adult beer league softball fans?
Plenty of places to bet on sports. Yes it’s too bad that money leaves the state. Even if it was at the casino why would I go there to bet in a game when I can do it from my phone.
Second, where are the hometown kids? Today’s Twins team is an ever revolving roster of kids from the Dominican Republic. There is no association with the fans. I know we’ll never go back to the Puckett and Hrbek days, but we’ve lost something when the fans can’t even relate to the players in any way. You go to a minor league or adult softball game and it’s a completely different story.
Holy dog whistle, batman. 
Plenty of places to bet on sports. Yes it’s too bad that money leaves the state. Even if it was at the casino why would I go there to bet in a game when I can do it from my phone.
Yes, the ability to use an app is a huge part of the legal pushes across the nation. New York state just legalized it, and app-based wagering is at the heart of the Florida state/tribe gambling story. Gambling’s not for me, but I am libertarian about others getting to do what they want with their money so wish it would get legalized up here.
Werm are you saying they’d have to open ALL gambling to the rest of the state?
No, I’m saying the current Tribal gambling charter is very specific about which types of gambling are allowed, which is why we don’t have craps or sports gambling etc., and in order to add anything to that charter they would be opening up negotiation on the existing types as well. Basically the Tribe lobby’s against Sports Gambling, until they know that they can get it (aka have bought enough politicians) without the state dipping into (aka taxing) their existing business.
An interesting read this morning, with a player-friendly view:
https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/33397392/mlb-lockout-only-reinforces-certain-ugliness-game
No, I’m saying the current Tribal gambling charter is very specific about which types of gambling are allowed, which is why we don’t have craps or sports gambling etc., and in order to add anything to that charter they would be opening up negotiation on the existing types as well. Basically the Tribe lobby’s against Sports Gambling, until they know that they can get it (aka have bought enough politicians) without the state dipping into (aka taxing) their existing business.
Anyone hear the outcome of that lawsuit regarding the Etab machines?
Thanks for the explanation Werm. The way I’m understanding it seems like when management and a union look to amend a collective bargaining agreement. Even if you want to change one part of a CBA you have to open up the entire contract, which opens up every article or element to new negotiation of a side chooses.
Thanks for the explanation Werm. The way I’m understanding it seems like when management and a union look to amend a collective bargaining agreement. Even if you want to change one part of a CBA you have to open up the entire contract, which opens up every article or element to new negotiation of a side chooses.
generally yes, but not necessarily always. You need to be very very careful if your going to do this.
As a general rule Unions really really frown on this. When it does happen the negotiations and agreements are already set in place prior to reopening a CBA that hadn’t actually expired.
Don’t ask me how I know!! 
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>queenswake wrote:</div>
Second, where are the hometown kids? Today’s Twins team is an ever revolving roster of kids from the Dominican Republic. There is no association with the fans. I know we’ll never go back to the Puckett and Hrbek days, but we’ve lost something when the fans can’t even relate to the players in any way. You go to a minor league or adult softball game and it’s a completely different story.Holy dog whistle, batman.
This was not intended to be racist. It’s a comment on how so few players in today’s MLB have more than a few years of being US citizens. I am not interested in watching other countries’ talent compete. We don’t have that in the NFL. I admit we do have a lot of that in NHL and some in the NBA, but nothing like what has happened in MLB.
I completely disagree how clubs like the Twins have entire facilities in countries like the Dominican Republic just to groom young kids into great players. Something is wrong with that. Let’s groom the kids here — I don’t care about their skin color or ethnicity. What’s important is that they are here.
It’s a comment on how so few players in today’s MLB have more than a few years of being US citizens. I am not interested in watching other countries’ talent compete. We don’t have that in the NFL. I admit we do have a lot of that in NHL and some in the NBA, but nothing like what has happened in MLB.
70% of MLB players are from the United States.
26% of NHL players are from the United States.
I completely disagree how clubs like the Twins have entire facilities in countries like the Dominican Republic just to groom young kids into great players. Something is wrong with that. Let’s groom the kids here — I don’t care about their skin color or ethnicity. What’s important is that they are here.
There’s more elite baseball development programs in the Twin Cities than in the DR…the difference is just that teams like the Twins and Brewers are providing the money down there rather than the families paying a private baseball program up here. Those teams go to places like the DR because the ROI is high and it has no impact on talent developing in the U.S.
I do understand and agree with your underlying point – that having a “rooting interest” in players makes a big difference. For me, taking a little bit of time to learn the back stories of the players on my team (Brewers) provides this regardless of where they come from.
Sounds like they may be able to get sports betting legalized without renegotiating the existing charter, only took giving the Tribe another monopoly with nothing going to the State General Fund. When I keep shouting the state is run by the tribe, this bipartisan bill is just another example why.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>gimruis wrote:</div>
I paid way more for a hot dog and a couple beers than I did to get into the last Twins game I went to.When I looked around, there was a lot more people socializing, drinking beer, and looking at their phones than there were actually watching the game.
Makes a guy wonder why anyone would go in the first place. Not to mention its 3+ hours of your life you will never get back.
I take the kids for something to do on a nice afternoon. Especially when it’s 5 dollar ticket day. If it’s ever more them 5 bucks it’s a huge waste of money. The games couldn’t be any more boring. The stadium is beautiful. I work on it all the time. But the area surrounding is very sketchy at best. I have endless pictures of cutting on that stadium. So I go show the kids what dad does, even though they don’t have a care
This is why I do not go. I avoid Minneapolis at all costs. The area around the stadium is not safe, and they ban guns inside the stadium.
only took giving the Tribe another monopoly with nothing going to the State General Fund. When I keep shouting the state is run by the tribe, this bipartisan bill is just another example why.
With no real impact (+/-) on state revenue, this seems like it’s mostly about making something legal that people are already doing anyway. Less government regulation is good, right?
Less government regulation is good, right?
Yes, it is, but this isn’t that. It’s another monopoly for the tribe in running the apps and in-house betting getting the entire vig, with an additional tax (tbd on amount) that goes to more bureaucracy, from the article:
“50% would go to the Minnesota Amateur Sports Commission, which would have to use most of that money to facilitate youth sports programs in high-crime areas.
40% would be diverted to the commissioner of human services for gambling treatment programs.
The remaining 10% would go to the Department of Public’s Safety to pay for enforcement of gambling crimes.”
And if you think those are all good things to be funded, so is feeding kids but check out the Feeding Our Future scandal for how things actually work in practice.
The area around the stadium is not safe
I wouldn’t necessarily say that. The area by the Target Center and Target Field is perfectly fine. Its the bar and pub area. Unless you’re there at bar closing time of course, then it can get sketchy.
<div class=”d4p-bbt-quote-title”>Rick Ziesmer wrote:</div>
The area around the stadium is not safeI wouldn’t necessarily say that. The area by the Target Center and Target Field is perfectly fine. Its the bar and pub area. Unless you’re there at bar closing time of course, then it can get sketchy.
^Agreed.
I have always been relatively comfortable in this area attending concerts, games, or having a drink. There’s more law enforcement here than in many other areas of the state by far. I’d wager an out of towner is more likely to have a violent conflict in some of the local rural watering holes (nearby where I live and stop included) with the town drunks than they are here where there’s a police officer on almost every corner. I agree that it’s not the place I’d be walking around at midnight or later, but not even because of being afraid rather just annoyed.
I disagree. There have been 22 incidents right outside Target field the past 2 years, and that is with no fans at games last year. These range from theft to deadly assault and armed robbey. Many of these occured during the day. I don’t go downtown. Not because I am scared, but because I do not want to put myself in that environment. I am sorry, but I do not see that level of crime at my local watering hole in Stark, MN.
There have been 22 incidents right outside Target field the past 2 years, and that is with no fans at games last year.
looking at pre-pandemic years: 1.95 million fans attended Twins games in 2018. apparently it was safe enough for them that 2.3 million fans went and attended Twins games in 2019.
Yes, it is, but this isn’t that. It’s another monopoly for the tribe
potato potahtoe? rather than “another monopoly” one could also describe it as a modern update to their existing gaming compact.
there’s no getting around the fact that the tribes have negotiated gambling rights with the state. whether folks like it or not doesn’t change the fact that it exists. and since it exists, decriminalizing something people do already (online sports betting) by allowing it to include app-based betting seems relatively sensible to me. people can try to change those gambling and fishing/hunting rights separately is they want. good luck.
now, it’s more than a little bit silly in Wisconsin, where the tribes can accept app-based sports bets…but those bets have to be placed from their app while physically standing on tribal land. so you can’t do it from the street, but if you pull into the tribal gas station parking lot you’re fine. so dumb. it’ll be interesting to see how MN approaches that particular sticky wicket.
and that is with no fans at games last year.
There were fans last year. May not have been full capacity, but there were definitely fans. I think you may be confusing it with 2020.
I understand Rick. Its not for everyone.
Statistically speaking you probably have a much greater chance of getting hurt in a car accident on your way to the watering hole in Stark than you do outside Target Field.
potato potahtoe?
Not really, your point was about less regulation, this is more regulation on two fronts. The tribal monopoly AND the state tax. TBD if this actually limits or eliminates illegal sports gambling as the tribal VIG and state tax could still drive people to their existing “illegal” platforms. FWIW I don’t do sports betting (besides w/ friends and Fantasy Football), and support legalizing it, but think it should be done in a way to benefit the state’s general fund. As proposed right now, it helps the tribes and helps grow unelected govt agencies budgets. Still a win for the state as a whole, but not done well imo.
this is more regulation on two fronts. The tribal monopoly AND the state tax.
I agree that most individual choice oriented folks would like to see these things legal and available from different sources. And “de-criminalizing” it is probably more accurate than just saying “less regulation.” Both are desirable, and I suppose it’s a bit semantic whether it’s extending current regulation to new format or creating new regulation. Does the state of MN currently get a rake from on-site gambling, or just the casino? Is this extending that practice, or a new thing entirely?
TBD if this actually limits or eliminates illegal sports gambling as the tribal VIG and state tax could still drive people to their existing “illegal” platforms.
Very true, and it definitely won’t accomplish anything if the apps can only be used while on tribal land/facilities. If people can use them from their homes, then it will probably help.
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