L&D 3 (Red Wing) Construction Web Site

  • Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59998
    #1315691

    Link<<<

    From the site:

    The Lock and Dam 3 Projects are US Army Corps
    of Engineers (USACE) contracts administered by USACE’s St. Paul District.

    Edward Kraemer and Sons (EKS) is the contractor for the Navigation Improvements and the Lower Embankment Projects.

    This website’s goal is to inform all interested parties, public and stakeholders, about the Projects, scope and schedules.

    This website will be a constant work in progress
    and all comments will be welcomed. Please utilize
    the e-mail link in the Contact page.

    Link<<<

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #860065

    Sure, you just had to post a picture of my secret fishing hole

    sivee
    Hudson,Wi. Locked out/ Croix
    Posts: 128
    #860215

    Thats it I knew it was at the secret spot u always talk about, i could hear a train whistle blowing

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59998
    #877225

    New to the site:

    Quote:


    BOATERS ALERT
    EKS wants to assure all boaters, that while they may encounter delays during the construction period, we anticipate NO lock closures


    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13314
    #877361

    So when are they starting?

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59998
    #877382

    All I’ve seen is June.

    I’ll know more in about 5 hours.

    BrianK’s Cousin
    Hastings
    Posts: 84
    #877523

    They already have. Started moving in portable barges this week. Site prep started a couple weeks ago.

    Mike W
    MN/Anoka/Ham lake
    Posts: 13314
    #877527

    What I have been hearing is we will be fishing a whole new dam area after the work is done. How much is going to change below the dam?

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59998
    #877781

    Mike the portion of the project started now is above the dam. The extension of the lock wall and the dredging.

    As far as the lower project goes, the work is on the WI side only and from what I’ve seen, I don’t think it’s going to change fishing that much. It may while construction, but they have to stay away from the claim beds by a number of feet.

    I don’t know if anyone has seen the final plans…so I’m remaining hopeful.

    Steve Vick
    New London, MN
    Posts: 428
    #883347

    will be really interested to see what it looks like below the dam after it is complete! Hope we’re not all saying “How in the world did we ever let this happen!!!”

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59998
    #883533

    ST. PAUL DISTRICT
    June 29, 2010
    MVP-PA-2010-072
    Mark Davidson: 651-290-5201, 651-261-6769, [email protected]

    Construction work at two Corps of Engineers lock and dams in the Twin Cities
    area affects commercial and recreational boaters

    ST. PAUL, MINN. – The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, St. Paul District, has
    updated construction work information on two lock and dams in the Twin Cities
    area – Lower St. Anthony Falls lock and dam in Minneapolis and Lock and Dam 3
    in Red Wing, Minn.

    The Lower St. Anthony Falls lock and dam will be closed to all navigation on
    June 30 from 9 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. The contractor constructing the hydro power
    facility on the lock and dam site in Minneapolis will be pumping concrete
    across the main lock chamber to the auxiliary lock chamber during this time.

    The Corps contractor at Lock and Dam 3, located north of Red Wing, Minn.,
    Edward Kraemer and Sons, of Plain, Wis., will be shutting down work for the
    holiday weekend on July 2 at 3:30 p.m. They will resume work on the morning
    of July 6.

    Corps officials urge commercial and recreational boaters to exercise caution
    when operating near Lock and Dam 3. Recreational boaters are advised to
    operate at a safe distance from the work. Mooring, or attaching, to floating
    equipment is not allowed.

    The recent rainfall has also increased the water flows in the Lock and Dam 3
    area, bringing with it loose trees and driftwood into the Mississippi River.

    Greg Genz is the main point of contact for Kraemer and Sons for issues
    related to lock assistance matters. He can be reached at 651-775-6660. For
    more information on the project, see http://lockanddam3project.com.

    A navigation notice on both projects has been posted on:
    http://www.mvp.usace.army.mil/navigation/default.asp?pageid=186

    The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, St. Paul District, serves the American
    public in the areas of environmental enhancement, navigation, flood damage
    reduction, water and wetlands regulation, recreation sites and disaster
    response. It contributes around $175 million to the five-state district
    economy. The more than 638 employees work at more than 40 sites in five
    upper-Midwest states. For more information, see http://www.mvp.usace.army.mil.

    -30-

    Web site: http://www.mvp.usace.army.mil/
    Facebook:
    http://www.facebook.com/pages/Saint-Paul-MN/US-Army-Corps-of-Engineers-St-Pau
    l-District/215829254962?ref=ts
    Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/usace-stpaul/
    YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/usacemvppao

    lenny_jamison
    Bay City , WI
    Posts: 4001
    #888230

    I wouldn’t be too quick in thinking this isn’t going to change much in the dam area fishery. This quote is from the Star Tribune.

    Wisconsin’s DNR says now is the time to add a fish passage, and it has threatened to deny two key permits to the Corps if the project doesn’t include one. The agency also objects to other changes proposed below the dam on the Wisconsin shore.
    “It is going to look dramatically different than it does now,” said David Pericak, the DNR’s aquatic habitat coordinator for that region, said of the area downstream of the lock. “It is going to look more like a manicured urban setting with low, grassy vegetation.”

    Large cottonwoods and maples will be cut down, and 19 acres of wetlands will be lost, he said. Concrete blocks, linked by cables, will be embedded in the ground to strengthen banks and new spillways. One such structure would be more than one-third of a mile long.

    DNR biologists also are concerned about mussel beds and the walleye fishery just below the dam.

    “If the fishermen knew what was going to change, there would be public outcry,” Pericak said.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59998
    #888257

    See other thread in this forum for date and time of the public meeting.

    This could be the most important meeting Pool 4 has had since 1938!

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59998
    #888268

    I’ve asked many people much smarter than I and none of them could explain to me why the lower embankment project is needed.

    To my point, at the public hearing the reasons for both the upper and lower embankment projects were explained. It’s because they (the Corp) is worried that Pool 3 will by pass the dam. They have been studying this for 30 years but never had the funds to do it.

    I asked a Corp official “since this has been studied for 30 years, someone must have completed a “by pass probability” percentage. What are the chances of this actually happening?

    The answer was “a pretty good chance”.

    If this general statement is true, I would have thought we might have a close call in the last 30 years??

    I believe the upper embankment is needed. The lower is just fluff to the tune of $30 million.

    Politics and money are getting in the way of common sense….again.

    Jesse Krook
    Y.M.H.
    Posts: 6403
    #896407

    After checking out a bottle opener and the little brochure that is at Everts for the Lock & Dam #3 project, I understand what they are doing up on the Pool 3 side of the dam great plan

    Now as far as what is going to happen on the Pool 4 side of the dam seems to make little to no sense at all, seems to me like there is going to be an awful lot of money spent on nothing but destruction of our natural resource. BK and I discussed the plan made no sense at all and will in no manner affect what they are trying to accomplish on the Pool 3 side of the dam.

    JMO

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59998
    #896610

    Least you got a bottle opener out of the deal.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59998
    #902272

    From Notice to Mariners…

    09/28/2010
    Edward Kraemer and Sons(EKS)are working on the extension of the
    upper guidewall, upstream cell, and embankment. This work will
    continue through the end of the 2010 navigation season. Week of
    9/27/10, due to high water, all contruction has been suspended and
    mariners are urged to use extreme caution as the cell framework is
    under water and existing piling will be overtopped at apprximate
    elevation of 680.

    Lock 3 will close navigation on November 22, 2010 and reopen
    March 28, 2011. Recreational boaters are advised to operate at a
    safe distance from the work. Mooring to floating equipment is NOT
    allowed. As part of the construction contract, a helper boat will
    be available 24/7 to assist with lockages of commercial barge
    traffic. When flows reach 21,000cfs and over, a second helper
    boat will be provided. The M/V Donn L. Williams will be the
    primary assist boat for southbound tows, with the M/V Lil Charley
    utilized as the second assist and backup boat. All commecial
    mariners are urged to contact the helper boats (M/Vs Donn L
    Williams or Lil Charley) on channels 13 or 16 for lock assist
    information during construction. During the project, Greg Genz
    will be the main point of contact with EKS, or for issues related
    to lock assist matters and construction information. He can be
    reached at 651.775.6660. L/D 3 navigation stakeholders are
    encouraged to consult the LD3 project website at:
    http://lockanddam3project.com for updates during the construction.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59998
    #914391

    The latest…and no, it’s not on the informational web site.

    Quote:


    Hoffman Construction Senior Management has reviewed all aspects of starting work on the Lower Embankment in winter conditions and has decided to suspend our work activities until next season. Environmental concerns, economic consideration, and worker safety are the governing factors of our discussion. As we discussed earlier this week HCC and EKS should plan on meeting after the first of the year to discuss schedule and operations for next season.

    Please contact me with any questions, thank you.

    Hoffman Construction Company


    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59998
    #918538

    In this morning’s email:

    BK: There is concern over starting again in the spring because of the walleye (and other) fish spawning time. I recall last spring, the projects weren’t to start until after the spawn.

    Also, I’ve been asked why the website hasn’t been updated.

    I was on an email list that was receiving updates. Those have stopped completely. Have they stopped or did I just get bumped off the list somehow?

    How far along are we on the LEP? I know there’s pilings in place on the WI side of the Y, but I haven’t been up there for a while.

    As a reminder, unless clearly noted, your response will be reposted on the fishing website http://www.IdoFishing.com

    Thank you!

    Brian

    GREG: Let’s see if I can get you up to date with the information.

    First, I am getting paid to update the website when I do work on it, just as I am going to charge Kraemer for answering your e-mail request.

    I do have a fiscal responsibility to keep my hours down and the focus of my work has been to get information to the River users.

    As this season wound down, I spent most of my time coordinating an extended period of keeping the lock open past the official COE contract closing date of 11/22/10.

    The commercial barge industry lost over 2 1/2 weeks of schedule, when the MSP/St. Paul Harbor closed because of high water in October. My time was spent coordinating with Industry and the COE to facilitate and pay for the extension.

    It was easier for me to do my work during this almost month long process using my normal e-mail. Proprietary and schedule information was moving swiftly and using the website e-mail was not very efficient.

    I apologize for the gap, but as the Project had been suspended, I did spend almost all of my allotted time on this.

    This high water also caused the cessation of work at the project. I have spent almost 40 years on the River and have never seen anything like this. as a point of reference, the Minnesota reached its’ third highest stage in history in October. The Project and the lower end of the Upper Miss are still feeling the impact of abnormal high flows. The flow/cfs is about 4 times higher than normal for this time of the year.

    This whole season has wrecked havoc on all aspects of the Project. Except for the work on the wall extension almost no work has been done on the cut and fill dredging project for the Navigation improvements. Until last week, there had only been two days of dredging since August 1 because of the high water. The dredging contractor has a piece of work that entails dredging out of the River and building an embankment from the end of the new long wall to the existing COE dock upriver. The efficiency of dredging and placing wet sand in extreme weather conditions and the potential for continuing on will be determined in the next week or so.

    If they cannot work this winter, that operation may not resume until July or August of next year. The Lower Embankment has fared no better. On that project, the work limits are controlled by the water elevation. They were only able to set up a minimal docking area in front of Gantenbein Lake and the undertake the work in Red Wing to compensate for use of City property for the Project. The work in Red Wing consisted of setting up a permanent dredge disposal site for the COE and a temporary dock at the Upper Harbor.

    You are correct in your summarizing that the Lower Embankment will not get an early start next year.

    Thank you for your interest.

    Greg Genz

    sgt._rock
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 2517
    #919984

    Thanks for the info Brian.

    mudneck_joe
    SE MN
    Posts: 409
    #942795

    Well I see that the “know it alls” (army corp and dnr) are going to spend 17 million on the coon rapids dam to make it a barrier for invasive species, yet at lock and dam # 3 they want to put in a fish passagway. Am i really the only person that understands that this is a bad idea. Not to start problems, but seriously. If the know it alls would do this to the dams from redwing to illinois, we would not be able to boat on the mississippi river due to silver and asian carp. please people this is not difficult to understand. If i cant boat on the river without getting knocked out by a 20 lb jumping fish i will have to start golfing and i hate golf.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59998
    #942933

    Quote:


    If i cant boat on the river without getting knocked out by a 20 lb jumping fish i will have to start golfing and i hate golf.


    Well there’s two things we agree on Joe!

    I’m just totally bewildered why more people aren’t emailing, calling the Corp to stop this wasteful spending that is not going to help OUR fishery.

    I’ll never wear lime green golfing shorts.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59998
    #942940

    At least the Project fella has a bit of a sense of humor.

    Quote:


    Week of January 31
    Continued pouring of wall segments takes place.
    Cell concrete placement is complete. Over 3,000 cubic yards of concrete in place to test any floating vessel foolish enough to hit it.


    mudcatkid
    On water
    Posts: 663
    #943190

    Quote:


    If the know it alls would do this to the dams from redwing to illinois…


    What structural mechanisms are proposed for the Coon Rapids Dam modifications to make it an impedence to asian carp? I’m doubtful that barriers on the L&Ds are feasible – its a flood plain.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59998
    #943198

    17 Million <<<

    $17 million Coon Rapids dam upgrade urged

    The improvements are intended to prevent migration of unwanted fish up the Mississippi River.

    By LAURIE BLAKE, Star Tribune

    Last update: February 22, 2011 – 8:13 PM

    sgt._rock
    Rochester, MN
    Posts: 2517
    #943389

    $17 million here and $15 million there. Pretty soon you are talking real money. I thought we were in a budget crunch.

    herb
    6ft under
    Posts: 3242
    #943414

    I don’t know whether to be amazed, confused, or just say to heck with it, they’ll do what they want anyways.

    You know, there were more replies from people needing to pop a nut to get on board with the Wisc. governor to jack the overpaid state workers than what I see on this thread about wasted tax dollars by the US government and fish passageways.

    Brian Klawitter
    Keymaster
    Minnesota/Wisconsin Mississippi River
    Posts: 59998
    #943460

    Don’t forget the $97M for the upper and lower embankment projects. Still, not real money.

    Amazingly sad Herb.

    Still haven’t heard when the public meeting in Red Wing will be for the passage way.

    gregory
    Red wing,mn
    Posts: 1628
    #946635

    Quote:


    Amazingly sad Herb.

    good call


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