outboard problem

  • jeffsedlmayr
    Wisconsin
    Posts: 272
    #1314475

    i run a 2001 mercury 15 horsepower 4- stroke on my duck boat and it runs awesome until about 2/3 throttle when the motor starts to get a knocking sound, as if the motor is missing or something, the speed is still there, but that knocking sound is not good i know. the motor doesn’t really vibrate too bad from it, but just wondering what kind of problem i could be looking at here. I was thinking a cylinder went out, but i was told that if a cylinder was out the knocking sound would be there the whole time, so looking for some expertise i guess. thanks in advance.

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #281395

    Hey Jeff, I work on my own motors, auto and boat. Start by first checking the vulcanized rubber between the prop and the prop shaft receiver hole in the propeller where the prop shaft goes through. This is a piece of metal with fluting on it to fit over the prop shaft. This rubber breaks if a prop hits a rock. Other motors, johnson, evinrude, yamaha have a shear pin that shears if you hit a rock. Alot of merc props have this vulcanizing to hold the prop to this piece of metal with the fluting. To me its one of the down falls on some merc props. It looks like a one piece prop until you look close and see this thin rubber vulcanizing strip. If its taken a hit just once or a very few times it won’t knock until you put the prop under a heavier load like higher rpm’s. It might be this because its common for merc props to do this, check this first. It will jump like heck if this vulcanizing is broken. If the vulcanizing in the prop is ok, for shure, check and see if the clutch dog in the lower unit is worn. It will do this when its put under a load but not as much in a merc but more in evinrudes and johnsons. Try these two things first. If its neigther one of these things It its a bearing or oil pump problem. It could be a lower bearing in the power head and the drive shaft is wobbeling out of round but i doub’t that it is this on this new of a motor and its rare that this happens. If it has an oil filter see if its clogged. Usually at higher rpm’s the oil pump works better so knocking is less likely to happen. If the oil pumps worn too much its more likely to knock at lower rpm’s. Outboards unlike auto motors have needle bearings between the rod and crankshaft and between the rod and piston. If your going to run it, run it slow and have it checked as soon as possible. Its not pre ignition at those rpm’s or carburation, its mechanical and it sounds like its in the power head{motor]. Does it do it on every stroke or just every other stroke. If it is a bearing going out don’t rev it much, a rod could go through the crankcase. Most of the time its the lower piston from having to much fuel in the bottom of the crankcase from flooding over a period of time and its been wearing excessivly on the lower cylinder between the piston and cylinder wall. The lower cylinders are the ones to usually go out from excessive gas mixture, thin oil, not enough lube over a period of time. I worked on a motor for some people that had the same problem, replaced the piston and it blew anyway because the clearences were’nt tight enough between the piston and cylinder wall. I put a new piston and rings in it but there was still too much clearance thus it blew. It was eigther that or another power head. On alot of outboard motors you can’t buy over sized pistons like you can when rebuilding a car motor. Its one of those things that if you put a new piston in it, it might run for awhile but because theres too much clearence it’ll happen again. Take it too a marina and have them check the compression on the cylinders, if its low on the lower cylinder you can bet its worn too much. If its unrepairable try finding a new powerhead, the rest of the motors ok. Get ready for a price shock while you get the news on your motor. If you do the shopping for your own power head you’ll save money. A knocking sound usually is prop vulcanizing first from the prop hitting something, clutch dog wear second from shifting at too high of rpm’s, rod and bearing related third. The first two are the cheapest to fix, try these first. Put on another prop and if it still does it, go to the second, cluth dog. You can do this or a marina, its a little more involved. Get a schematic and take the lower unit apart and reassemble in order of schematic, new rubber o ring seals and prop shaft seal and clutch dog, remember to put the very thin metal o ring spacers in the way they came out. They are machining spacers for gear clearances. If in doubt take it too a marina. If your mehanicaly inclined you might give it a try on the lower unit but you’ll need a spanner wrench to take out the rear hub around the prop shaft. All this sounds hard but it can be done by taking your time and keeping things in order when disassembling and reassembling the lower unit. Try the prop first. Hope this helps and its a cheap fix.

    James Holst
    Keymaster
    SE Minnesota
    Posts: 18926
    #281396

    Now THAT was an awesome reply! Very helpful Mossydan.

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #281397

    Jeff heres another way to check things out if its in the power head. Get a cheap pair of stethascopes, i think thats the name of those things, those are the ones that a doctor listens to your heart and lungs with. Anyway i’ve got a pair of the ones that the kids use. Listen to the engine while your partner is driving the boat. When it starts knocking hold the scope on the block moving it around, you can get really close to where the knocking is located in your engine block. You can tell if its from the bottom, sides or top of the block. Its amazing how good even a cheap pair will work.

    lenny_jamison
    Bay City , WI
    Posts: 4001
    #281439

    Quote:


    Jeff heres another way to check things out if its in the power head. Get a cheap pair of stethascopes, i think thats the name of those things, those are the ones that a doctor listens to your heart and lungs with. Anyway i’ve got a pair of the ones that the kids use. Listen to the engine while your partner is driving the boat. When it starts knocking hold the scope on the block moving it around, you can get really close to where the knocking is located in your engine block. You can tell if its from the bottom, sides or top of the block. Its amazing how good even a cheap pair will work.


    A short length of garden hose works just as well for locating sounds.

    Gator Hunter

    wade_kuehl
    Northwest Iowa
    Posts: 6167
    #281441

    I’m giving post of the week honors to MossyDan!

    Nice job! It reminds me of all the good folks we have here on this site willing to help a guy out.

    Thanks for taking your time!

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #281480

    holy cow wade, do i get the winnin lotto ticket, this is an honor to be atleast nominated for it.!!!!!!!!!! lol but thanks anyway. The more we give advice freely the smarter we become. It also could be in the timing gears that run the lifters and valves but i doubt it.

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #281487

    your right gator,its the cheapest of the cheap and at times it magnifies the sounds better. Ever hear the one about the gal that could suck a golfball through a 50″ garden hose, sorry had to put that one in there. Better not tell it here

    jeffsedlmayr
    Wisconsin
    Posts: 272
    #281510

    man, thanx a ton, i guess i will start with what is first on your list and go from there. I will keep you posted on what is actually wrong with it. Thanx a ton.

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #281534

    Keep us posted Jeff, befor you go into your lower unit listen with a short length of garden hose in alot of diffrent places to pin point the sound in the power head. In autos this technique is so accurate you can listen for a valve out of 10 valves under the valve cover and pinpoint which valve is bad, thats how accurate just a simple hose is. Then go to the lower unit if you don’t hear anything in the power head. eventually you’ll pinpoint the spot where it needs a to be looked at. It’ll be right at the point of the hose. later

    gary_wellman
    South Metro
    Posts: 6057
    #281536

    Hey guys, I’ll 2nd Wade’s nomination to Mossydan. I called him last night and he gave me great advice on my 20hp merc that I blew up. I thought this motor was garbage, but he convinced me different. I have a bit of mechanical ability, and he gave me the greatest advice I’ve ever recieved for outboards.

    KUDOS!!!!!!!!!!!!

    jeffsedlmayr
    Wisconsin
    Posts: 272
    #282242

    thanx for the help guys i think i have fixed my problem, i took the old prop off, and looked at the hub and it looks fine, but this prop has had the heck beat out of it being a duck boat and all. the prop was sandblasted heavily and dung up pretty good. The motor pushed the boat a lot better now and doesn’t have the clicking noise, but I can’t say that the hub on the other one is bad, when i look at it it looks just like the new one, unless you can’t see it really good. On an older motor of myne i see what it looks like when it gets really bad, but this one I don’t understand it. I guess the true test will be when i empty out the boat and take the blind off and see how it runs there i guess. Thanx for all the help again.

    mossydan
    Cedar Rapids, Iowa
    Posts: 7727
    #282374

    Jeff, i think your problems are over. Its more apt, 99% to do it under a load than without one like your blind, later

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